tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6316454853860197814..comments2024-03-28T21:03:45.106-04:00Comments on the daily howler: WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE: Amanda Marcotte spots the racists!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57830298431774444212020-10-08T07:00:24.664-04:002020-10-08T07:00:24.664-04:00So please don’t miss out on this good chance and f...So please don’t miss out on this good chance and follow our post if you don’t know how to complete Golf Galaxy Feedback.<br /><br /><a href="https://topsurvey.onl/golf-galaxy-survey/" rel="nofollow">Golf Galaxy Customer Satisfaction Survey</a><br />takesurveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01059806851619488317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63137003641233154152017-05-23T05:23:10.710-04:002017-05-23T05:23:10.710-04:00golden state warriors jerseys
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Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68197012124794524362017-03-31T03:36:16.170-04:002017-03-31T03:36:16.170-04:00Hillary lost because people like you on her campai...Hillary lost because people like you on her campaign had her giving "deplorables" speeches to LBGTQ audiences in NYC when she needed to be in a pitched battle for working class voters in the Midwest.Gloucon Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05218027862578514587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50975900697013233402017-03-31T03:22:01.117-04:002017-03-31T03:22:01.117-04:00He did not do that--it's in the final quoted p...He did not do that--it's in the final quoted passage.Gloucon Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05218027862578514587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75071152839821514352017-03-31T03:11:26.713-04:002017-03-31T03:11:26.713-04:00The Democrats will continue to lose elections if t...The Democrats will continue to lose elections if they listen to idiots like Marcotte. The conspiratorially minded among us may even conclude that people like her are planted within the Democratic party by its enemies to ensure its defeat.Gloucon Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05218027862578514587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82317405210482902912017-03-30T16:41:31.623-04:002017-03-30T16:41:31.623-04:00In Whitley County KY, where the 59 year old woman ...In Whitley County KY, where the 59 year old woman Sarah Kliff interviewed lives, the place is virtually all white (98%) and working class. It has voted for a Republican President at least since 1976. Gore got 35% of the vote. When Barack Obama was on the ballot in 2008, he got only 26%. It dropped to 20% in 2012.<br /><br />In Mingo County,WV where the retired miner lives, it is also virtually all white, 97%, and working class. It voted 60% for Gore and 56% for Kerry, but despite the economic disaster of the Bush second term, when Barack Obama was on the ballot, it went against him 55-42% and then 70-27% four years later. <br /><br />Oh, and about Bob's assertion that Nate Cohn's comment regarding 1 in 4 Obama voters deserting Clinton not making sense: in Whitely County Clinton got 25% fewer votes than Obama, In Mingo County she got 44% less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49117595132047595812017-03-30T15:51:00.919-04:002017-03-30T15:51:00.919-04:00Marcotte wrote: the 2016 election results suggest ...Marcotte wrote: <i>the 2016 election results suggest that a recovering economy allowed this small but significant number of voters to indulge their racism and sexism </i><br /><br />So, according Marcotte, one reason some whites voted for Obama but not for Hillary was racism. Huh?David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87010738864228119982017-03-30T15:13:47.609-04:002017-03-30T15:13:47.609-04:00Bob, you edited out "this small but significa...Bob, you edited out "this small but significant number" from Amanda's quote. Sean would be proud.Bartmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809097953780642925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29428686982127207152017-03-30T15:07:43.759-04:002017-03-30T15:07:43.759-04:00Here is a link to an interesting article that migh...Here is a link to an interesting article that might help explain things:<br /><br />http://www.vox.com/world/2017/3/13/14698812/bernie-trump-corbyn-left-wing-populismAlan Snipeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05070460889011106908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48437619059597575272017-03-30T14:22:08.658-04:002017-03-30T14:22:08.658-04:00In support of the "economic anxiety" the...In support of the "economic anxiety" thesis as a motivation for Obama-Trump Rust Belt WWC switches, Bob cites just 2 data points (both, ironically, from WV, a state NOT in the Rust Belt): the 59-year-old woman with high Obamacare premiums, and the retired coal miner at the Sanders town hall. But we don't know how either of these people VOTED in 2012 or 2016, which means they may not even be part of the WWC subset Marcotte was talking about. They may have voted for Clinton in '16, or not at all; they may have voted for ROMNEY in '12, or not at all. This nonsensical and irrelevant "evidence", using a bogus methodology Bob would have rightly ridiculed just a few short years ago, is sadly symptomatic of the Howler's recent decline into outright crankery. Parting Q: presumably, "racists" and "sexists" do actually exist in the America of today. Why is it so hard for Bob to believe that a) the first openly racist presidential campaign in nearly a half-century and b) the first major-party female presidential nominee in US history might have had some impact, perhaps even a decisive one, upon election '16? Against this, Somersby has nothing to offer save argument-though-incredulity. Sad!<br /><br />PS: Part of the reason Obamacare premiums are so high in some states is GOP reluctance to expand Medicaid--a position that Marcotte presumably supports, thus making it unfair to accuse her of indifference on this score. Interestingly, one of the biggest Dem-to-GOP swings relative to '12 was in OH . . . where premiums have been relatively stable, since Kasich was one of the few GOP govs to expand Medicaid! So much for Obamacare anxiety . . .Landulphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13272894814710553835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28779800220332371982017-03-30T14:21:55.653-04:002017-03-30T14:21:55.653-04:00"What makes Marcotte's analysis so hopele..."What makes Marcotte's analysis so hopelessly poor?"<br /><br />She over generalizes. Just like Bob does about liberals. Neither of them have much in the way of either education or experience to lend much credibility to their bullshit blogging political analysis. Marcotte obviously markets herself a lot better than brother Bob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91996467717378054862017-03-30T14:19:27.956-04:002017-03-30T14:19:27.956-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Landulphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13272894814710553835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77939725169121390702017-03-30T14:01:28.094-04:002017-03-30T14:01:28.094-04:00@1:36 -- so, you don't know who Susan B. was e...@1:36 -- so, you don't know who Susan B. was either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64695320308112930202017-03-30T13:36:34.084-04:002017-03-30T13:36:34.084-04:00Boring undergraduate tantrum. Female Junior. Am ...Boring undergraduate tantrum. Female Junior. Am I right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89235361498598047682017-03-30T13:34:45.935-04:002017-03-30T13:34:45.935-04:00Or Trump Derangement Syndrome has overtaken the De...Or Trump Derangement Syndrome has overtaken the Democrats, who have always been humorless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79599882223539178422017-03-30T13:23:51.341-04:002017-03-30T13:23:51.341-04:00They "rejected" her because of a comment...They "rejected" her because of a comment about coal misleadingly ripped out of context of a large program to help the Appalachians. Combined with Trump.s bullshit promises to bring coal back from the dead, the people peed themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9089843486027938852017-03-30T12:40:23.287-04:002017-03-30T12:40:23.287-04:00Q. How do you get a Conservative to support politi...Q. How do you get a Conservative to support political correctness?<br /><br />A. Tell them the truth about themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81147505663401737682017-03-30T11:53:35.042-04:002017-03-30T11:53:35.042-04:00Trump's latest cute remark:
"Around we’v...Trump's latest cute remark:<br /><br />"Around we’ve had leaders like Susan B. Anthony. Have you heard of Susan B. Anthony? I’m shocked that you’ve heard of her"<br /><br />Either this is the stupidest man on the planet or Gitlin is majorly right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-664445825952270212017-03-30T11:52:26.045-04:002017-03-30T11:52:26.045-04:00Here's why Somerby's points are incorrect....Here's why Somerby's points are incorrect. Clinton addressed those economic concerns of white working class voters in her programs and speeches. She, much more than Trump, offered solutions for their economic woes. And they rejected her. That's why Somerby's suggestion, that maybe it was economic woes that turned white voters toward Trump, cannot be correct.<br /><br />What else did Trump offer besides empty promises of better times? He made it OK to scapegoat immigrants and he dogwhistled racial hatred -- he made it clear that his party welcomed those attracted to white supremacist views. And white working class people flocked to his rallies, where they could chant "lock her up" and cheer hateful slogans, and maybe beat up a journalist in the parking lot.<br /><br />Marcotte is not wrong. Those white working class voters who went for Stein or Johnson may have had economic motives, but the ones who went for Trump voted for him because of his emphasis on racist hate, not despite it.<br /><br />Our "tribe" may be disliked for pointing this out, but why should racism and sexism be permitted to thrive without anyone saying what is true -- that this is despicable and unworthy of the citizens of our nation -- that it is not OK to be racist and sexist because it hurts people.<br /><br />There just weren't enough people with those high deductibles in WI, PA and MI to account for all the voters who switched to Trump, but there was plenty of red meat in Trump's speeches to let those guys put bros before hos and keep the bitch out of office.<br /><br />Somerby can try to give cover to the sexism that turned this election, but women like Marcotte and like Clinton herself (who is now speaking more boldly about women's issues) know exactly what happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com