tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post638042283307535185..comments2024-03-28T19:05:40.172-04:00Comments on the daily howler: ARISTOTLE’S ERROR: Digby seems to embellish a tad!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29630017560956733802014-07-17T12:28:09.887-04:002014-07-17T12:28:09.887-04:00Douchebag trolls! That said, your preferred repea...Douchebag trolls! That said, your preferred repeated insults may differ. We love Somerby so we say the same thing over and over and over. Can we talk? Gack on it you clueless rubes of Liberalworld.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52600470293601962722014-07-17T11:52:16.911-04:002014-07-17T11:52:16.911-04:00I'm with 8:16. At least Digby had the dignity...I'm with 8:16. At least Digby had the dignity to avoid Liberalworld's greatest failing. She didn't drop the "R" word.<br /><br />I look forward to the Somerby post admonishing the Pope.<br />He did drop the "R" word on this very issue. And, although not Irish, he is Catholic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68935816602160124722014-07-17T11:49:01.998-04:002014-07-17T11:49:01.998-04:00The issues aren't similar. One was busloads o...The issues aren't similar. One was busloads of young Amercians coming to protest American apartheid of blacks.<br />The other was busloads of young Central Amercans coming to be incarcerated who were brown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28808069097638094492014-07-17T11:28:09.620-04:002014-07-17T11:28:09.620-04:00@ 8: 12 if Digby had written this:
"And what...@ 8: 12 if Digby had written this:<br /><br />"And what is the response of the right wing? The protests in Murrieta, California, over the past week show scores of Americans screaming at busloads of kids and mothers with infants calling them diseased and worse, and spitting on fellow Americans in the crowd who were there to support the busloads of children and mothers with babies."<br /><br />Do you think that Somerby then would have simply covered the years old cheating scandal and once again ignored the largest domestic issue going on at the moment as he has been doing?<br /><br />Or do you think he would still attack Digby because he could only find coverage of the spitting on the singer and not the teenager?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52164029914267369832014-07-17T11:16:24.634-04:002014-07-17T11:16:24.634-04:00Ratchet everything up a notch and a howling mob is...Ratchet everything up a notch and a howling mob is beating people who arrive on buses.<br /><br />Wait. That happened. Well surely it won't happen again.<br />Heck, they only spit on a grown up and perhaps a teenager in the crowd. Not the buses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6224909752179442712014-07-17T11:13:08.012-04:002014-07-17T11:13:08.012-04:00I think it is worse than that. In this piece Some...I think it is worse than that. In this piece Somerby uses a cheating scandal on standardized tests to launch into a screed<br />over a sentence in a Digby piece.<br /><br />He ignores, and I assume most of his readers do because they rarely follow his links, that Digby's Salon article used the incident in Murietta as one of many examples of the right's cruelty to other people as an animating force. Talk about missing the forest. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14913240188591400122014-07-17T11:08:53.512-04:002014-07-17T11:08:53.512-04:00Well if 8:08 doesn't beat all in showing how t...Well if 8:08 doesn't beat all in showing how to defend his/her beloved Howler. The "experts" consulted by the local reporter must have been so fearful of the hate preached by the Salon posting that day by Digby that they generated an article that same day.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91598696105490972282014-07-17T10:48:49.144-04:002014-07-17T10:48:49.144-04:00Yes, let's ignore the fact that we have a huge...Yes, let's ignore the fact that we have a huge problem that one political party won't even dare to begin to address because so many people in their base have swallowed the "propaganda" that there are brown hordes invading us for no good reason except to steal our jobs, our resources and our American Way of Life while forcing us all to speak Spanish.<br /><br />Nope, the real propaganda is that Digby wrote about spitting when Somerby can find hardly any spitting at all.<br /><br />So round them all up and send them right back, without even the dignity of a hearing. And if they were fleeing from their lives and we send them back to their deaths, we are blameless. After all, we have to protect our borders.<br /><br />I mean, what do we think we are anyway? A nation of immigrants?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45157564815925647932014-07-17T10:34:57.240-04:002014-07-17T10:34:57.240-04:00"Show me a person . . ." of course. I..."Show me a person . . ." of course. I'm from Missouri,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66973193996395918382014-07-17T10:07:11.831-04:002014-07-17T10:07:11.831-04:00So me a person in this Information Age too lazy or...So me a person in this Information Age too lazy or intellectually curious to find the truth, and I'll show you a Bob fan who needs Somerby's help to sort it all out.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52760870558188740762014-07-17T08:59:52.756-04:002014-07-17T08:59:52.756-04:00No, the issues aren't identical. But that does...No, the issues aren't identical. But that doesn't mean they don't share any similarities whatsoever.<br /><br />Try not falling into the Somerby trap of splitting hairs and being so literal, and try looking at both as human rights issues.<br /><br />As Bob and his fans continue to search for evidence of spit, I'll put in my two cents about the bigger picture.<br /><br />1. Grant these refugees immediate refugee status because that's what they are, just like we grant every Cuban immediate refugee status when they arrive in this country without a visa or other proper papers.<br /><br />2. Use our full powers of diplomacy to address the problems in those countries that are forcing people to flee for their lives. And this includes the massive amounts of aid we once spent to prop up some of the worst, most brutal dictatorships in history.<br /><br />But naaah, let's forget all that. We've got the entire problem of spit and how Digby so grossly exaggerated it to deal with. Can't do anything else until that huge issue is solved.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30022953315956188462014-07-17T08:16:43.306-04:002014-07-17T08:16:43.306-04:00TL;DR
Stop showing me that I'm consuming prop...TL;DR<br /><br />Stop showing me that I'm consuming propaganda. The enemy is too evil for us to worry about such trivia as that, you vile, vile Somerby!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3688988533126948792014-07-17T08:12:51.085-04:002014-07-17T08:12:51.085-04:00correction: BUSLOADS of kids.correction: BUSLOADS of kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1710727091533012402014-07-17T08:11:26.728-04:002014-07-17T08:11:26.728-04:00Busloads!!
Well, here's one.
Now stop being...Busloads!!<br /><br />Well, here's one. <br /><br />Now stop being mean to digby, you amoral old Somerby.<br /><br />signed,<br />Douchebag TrollsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91044679263129140902014-07-17T08:08:49.008-04:002014-07-17T08:08:49.008-04:00Actually, that article ISN'T reporting any spi...Actually, that article ISN'T reporting any spitting incidents AT ALL.<br /><br />That article tells us that plural unnamed "experts say" that "concerns" have been raised by "days of coverage" of the incident(s).<br /><br />That just ain't the same as the article constituting reportorial coverage of same, not at all.<br /><br />Where is the actual reporting of the incident(s)? Not in what KZ provided, that much we know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26213866778472741822014-07-17T01:02:57.650-04:002014-07-17T01:02:57.650-04:00Somerby is an activist.Somerby is an activist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22233988429937084582014-07-17T01:01:13.972-04:002014-07-17T01:01:13.972-04:00Ratchet everything up a notch and you're not r...Ratchet everything up a notch and you're not reporting any more, you're propagandizing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6372984408963441612014-07-17T00:41:43.661-04:002014-07-17T00:41:43.661-04:00Digby isn't a journalist she is a blogger. Or ...Digby isn't a journalist she is a blogger. Or is Somerby a journalist? He certainly professes to know what is and is not good journalistic practices. Even what is and is not journalistic proof.<br /><br />If he is a journalist he is quite the novelist as well. If you doubt it, show me the 10 million cars entering the George Washington Bridge from Ft. Lee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63443174357163034712014-07-17T00:33:12.025-04:002014-07-17T00:33:12.025-04:00I cannot tell you how glad I was to find that the ...I cannot tell you how glad I was to find that the people in Murietta were merely screaming at the buses filled with children and some mommies<br />rather than spitting at thoses buses. How dreadful to exaggerate actual spitting in the faces other Americans into an attack on vehicles with children inside.<br /><br />Thank you Bob Somerby. My faith in those protesters is restored. I won't hate them anymore. I will just regard them as foolish as you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39163665209538200772014-07-16T22:01:35.842-04:002014-07-16T22:01:35.842-04:00Are you a complete idiot 8:07? After Somerby'...Are you a complete idiot 8:07? After Somerby's post? Somerby's post came out today. The article in the local paper where Murietta is located came out on July 11.<br /><br />The reporter did not say there were days of coverage of spitting. He wrote days of coverage of protesters yelling <strong>and in some cases spitting</strong> on buses.<br /><br />Somerby said he could find no such reporting. There was.<br />Why argue with a fact?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24973943747861232082014-07-16T20:44:07.420-04:002014-07-16T20:44:07.420-04:00Oh, I don't know. Seems to me that these peopl...Oh, I don't know. Seems to me that these people were very much on a "Freedom Ride" -- until they reached the border, were detained, were herded onto buses for detention centers until they overwhelmed them, then herded back onto buses, then an airport where they were flown some 1,000 miles or so to another bus headed for another detention center, where a rather emotional mob turned them back.<br /><br />I kinda think both immigration and integration are human rights issues, myself. <br /><br />But then again, there are times when I miss connections that other sees. Like test cheating in Atlanta and the refugee crisis from Texas to California.<br /><br />And I guess we also have different definitions of "peaceful" as well. I saw nothing peaceful about that protest. In fact, I saw many of the same angry, hate-filled faces that were so much on display 57 years ago in that photo from Little Rock.<br /><br />And guess what? Both "peaceful protests" accomplished the goal of turning back kids.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22161194280846777112014-07-16T20:18:38.910-04:002014-07-16T20:18:38.910-04:00Some of us think that forcing public school teache...Some of us think that forcing public school teachers and principals to cheat in order to get adequate funding to teach our kids is a humanitarian problem, if not a crisis.<br /><br />Some of us respect the right of all Americans to express their opinions in peaceful protests, even when we disagree with those opinions. Personally, I think that excludes spitting but there may be Supreme Court rulings already on that matter. I don't think immigration and integration are similar issues, even if there are buses involved in both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56967697131929239112014-07-16T20:14:17.103-04:002014-07-16T20:14:17.103-04:00Yes, mobs do tend to look similar. That doesn'...Yes, mobs do tend to look similar. That doesn't make the issues being protested similar at all. It means people get emotional, especially in groups and on camera.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16346223333511371052014-07-16T20:12:47.291-04:002014-07-16T20:12:47.291-04:00I guess truth and the contribution of an informed ...I guess truth and the contribution of an informed populace to democracy are trivialities when kids are being spat on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75999482471016688022014-07-16T20:10:51.240-04:002014-07-16T20:10:51.240-04:00Aristotle is a rhetorical device not a topic of in...Aristotle is a rhetorical device not a topic of insight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com