tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6454076369701184448..comments2024-03-28T12:07:48.021-04:00Comments on the daily howler: BALCONY FAILURE: The doctor was IN!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger132125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58052348412322135692012-04-08T13:33:32.978-04:002012-04-08T13:33:32.978-04:00A bloody skull = poundingA bloody skull = poundingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9504357509380722522012-04-08T13:32:12.297-04:002012-04-08T13:32:12.297-04:00He was widely quoted when conservative bias was pr...He was widely quoted when conservative bias was predominant. Now that their ox is getting gored, liberal hypocrites pretend he doesn't existAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32651639089418574662012-04-08T12:41:44.991-04:002012-04-08T12:41:44.991-04:00"Suppose instead that people peacefully assem..."Suppose instead that people peacefully assemble, as is their right under the First Amendment, to vent their anger that way. Got a problem with that?"<br /><br />Maybe. My approval or disapproval of a demonstration doesn't necessarily depend on the Constitution. E.g., in <i>Virginia v. Black</i>, the Supreme Court ruled that there's a Constitutional right to burn a cross as long as that act isn't meant to intimidate. Nevertheless, if the KKK burns a cross just to demonstrate racism in general I would disapprove.<br /><br />Getting back to your hypothetical case, Anon, my feelings would partly depend on whether I thought the demonstration's message was accurate. Right now, I don't yet have a definite opinion about guilt or innocence. I may have one after more facts and evidence are released. Suppose I then believed that Zimmerman had attacked Martin, had killed him in cold blood, and that the police had chosen not to prosecute because Martin was black. I'd approve of a peaceful demonstration for people to vent their anger. OTOH if I believed that the police had done their job properly, that Martin had made an unprovoked attack on Zimmerman, and that Zimmerman deserved to be exonerated, then I would disapprove of a demonstration designed to drum up anger against Zimmerman, against the police force, and against non-African-Americans in general.<br /><br />Anger can be dangerous. Anon, your hypothetical question talked about venting anger. Shakespeare's <i>Julius Caesar</i> shows that <i>venting</i> anger at a funeral can be twisted into <i>drumming up</i> anger strong enough to encourage murder. There are modern-day examples. Anti-abortion demonstrations, supposedly designed to vent anger, may have encouraged an anti-abortionist to murder Dr. George Tiller. Al Sharpton and others led demonstrations to vent anger after an accidental death in Brooklyn. These demonstrations encouraged the murder of Yankel Rosenblum. Demonstrations at Freddie's Fashion Mart encouraged an unbalanced individual to murder seven people.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41624539453579961632012-04-08T10:50:36.951-04:002012-04-08T10:50:36.951-04:00"A "false equivalency" is an attemp..."A "false equivalency" is an attempt to excuse the behavior of one party by claiming the behavior of another is just as bad or worse."<br /><br />Like claiming that MSNBC's transgressions are not worth posting about because Fox News is worse?Hyponoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85544491784967937832012-04-08T08:53:00.942-04:002012-04-08T08:53:00.942-04:00Oh, I get it. They aren't using it. They just ...Oh, I get it. They aren't using it. They just referenced it.<br /><br />And please. Don't say that Zimmerman had his head pounded on the sidewalk until there is at least some evidence to support it beyond scratches on the back of his head that are visible only when you "enhance" and blow up the police video.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22370412229396088562012-04-08T08:50:23.653-04:002012-04-08T08:50:23.653-04:00It's been my experience that these neo-Nazi, n...It's been my experience that these neo-Nazi, neo-KKK groups are often just that -- a handful on nuts who are good at getting their 15 minutes of fame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79515025373716425522012-04-08T08:45:17.582-04:002012-04-08T08:45:17.582-04:00I'll vote for Door No. 2, a gadfly who really ...I'll vote for Door No. 2, a gadfly who really doesn't stand for anything. Don't know what "personal gain" he's getting out of this blog.<br /><br />Once upon a time, Bob's blog got widely quoted and linked, which is how I found it in the waning days of the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal. You hardly see that any more, if at all.<br /><br />And yes, he does seem to have become what he once condemned -- another Maureen Dowd who sees the "real story" in tangential issues that are revealed only by his keen insight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1812064009882932772012-04-08T08:38:49.194-04:002012-04-08T08:38:49.194-04:00Wow, David. A rumor! Then it must be true.
Here&#...Wow, David. A rumor! Then it must be true.<br /><br />Here's a newsflash for you. There was ALWAYS the "possibility" that Zimmerman will walk on this. <br /><br />Now as your pee-in-your-pants fears of mass rioting breaking out, suppose instead that people peacefully assemble, as is their right under the First Amendment, to vent their anger that way. Got a problem with that?<br /><br />Of course, you do. You've already accused people who have spoken their minds in public, peaceful protests of stoking hate and inciting violence.<br /><br />Doggone that First Amendment anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41146367329511683992012-04-07T23:31:12.164-04:002012-04-07T23:31:12.164-04:00RUMOR -- George Zimmerman NOT Being Charged
I ...RUMOR -- <a href="http://www.chicagonow.com/bullsville/2012/04/trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman-not-being-charged/" rel="nofollow">George Zimmerman NOT Being Charged</a> <br /><br /><i> I was told that the State of Florida is going to announce on Tuesday that there is not enough evidence to prosecute George Zimmerman.<br /><br />This is a tip I got from a very close friend who would not make this up.<br /><br />This person is very close to the Seminole County FL Sheriff's Department, and says that the cops are already getting ready for trouble in Sanford.</i><br /><br />I have no idea of whether this blogger is correct. Whether or not he is, there is a possibility that Zimmerman will not be charged. Such a decision could lead to violence. In fact, Al Sharpton has more or less threated to encourage violence if no charges are filed.<br /><br />It seems to me that President Obama, being black, is in a unique position to make the kind of statement that would encourage acceptance of the police investigation and discourage violence. I hope he makes such a statement.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46607967415659250542012-04-07T18:11:54.176-04:002012-04-07T18:11:54.176-04:00The New York Times has Trayvonmania just like the ...The New York Times has Trayvonmania just like the rest of the media. What the hell makes you think Somerby's criticisms puts him in the NYT camp (whatever that is)?KTWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6169651701015710862012-04-07T18:10:18.086-04:002012-04-07T18:10:18.086-04:00GUYS WHEN YOU GET HIT IN THE NOSE YOU SEE STARS AN...GUYS WHEN YOU GET HIT IN THE NOSE YOU SEE STARS AND TWEETY BIRDS AROUND YOUR HEAD. JUST LIKE IN LOONEY TUNES.KTWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42454835448169559442012-04-07T18:07:53.178-04:002012-04-07T18:07:53.178-04:00There's only one explanation for hysterical te...There's only one explanation for hysterical tenor of Anonymous's replies: he's been rendered near-insane with partisan rage. I MUST DEFEND THE TRIBE AT ALL COSTS!!!ktwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34193773515108138862012-04-07T12:54:32.262-04:002012-04-07T12:54:32.262-04:00In the short time I've been coming to this blo...In the short time I've been coming to this blog, Somerby has demonstrated he's either a NY Times style liberal trying furiously to prove he's not, to the extent he's effectively another wingnut. Or he's a gadfly stirring the pot for personal gain and doesn't really stand for anything. Bob's just as one noted as Maureen Dowd though<br />far less entertaining.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87575190226774094592012-04-07T12:33:23.286-04:002012-04-07T12:33:23.286-04:00In this New York Times column, Charles Blow warns ...In this New York Times column, Charles Blow warns that <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/07/opinion/blow-from-oj-to-trayvon.html" rel="nofollow">"opinions shouldn’t get ahead of the facts,"</a> Unfortunately, the rest of the column does just that. Blow writes:<br /><br /><i> The Martin case, on the other hand, holds the potential to be a high point. There is nobility in the advocacy for truth and justice for a dead child who would still be alive if Zimmerman had not pursued him....This is the good fight. This is about restoration of faith. Until there is a trial for George Zimmerman, the whole justice system is on trial.</i><br /><br />Contra Blow, based only on facts, we don't know whether there's been anything wrong or unjust about the investigation. We don't know whether or not the shooting was precipitated by Martin's unprovoked attack on Zimmerman. We don't know whether or not a trial is appropriate, given all the facts.<br /><br />Too bad Blow didn't follow his own advice.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69083295835250988252012-04-07T12:33:16.582-04:002012-04-07T12:33:16.582-04:00The grasping at straws phase has begun in earnest ...The grasping at straws phase has begun in earnest for the lynch mob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21668604819995288612012-04-07T12:29:31.382-04:002012-04-07T12:29:31.382-04:00They aren't using a "shaken baby syndrome...They aren't using a "shaken baby syndrome" defense. <br /><br />There is no such defense, "shaken baby syndrome" is a syndrome involving death or injury from trauma to the head. <br /><br />The attorneys mentioned the syndrome since most people are aware of it, and compared the trauma to that faced by Zimmerman as he had his head pounded on the sidewalk.<br /><br />It is starting to seem that every member of the lynch mob has problems with reading comprehension and very basic logic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34548908191216816982012-04-07T12:12:39.903-04:002012-04-07T12:12:39.903-04:00All you anons have it figured out, never mind a tr...All you anons have it figured out, never mind a trial, let's have Zimmerman lynchedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24519107826498630102012-04-07T12:07:12.852-04:002012-04-07T12:07:12.852-04:00"And it is quite conceivable that this so-cal..."And it is quite conceivable that this so-called neo-Nazi group from Detroit is one publicity-seeking loudmouth and a couple of his buddies, if that. "<br /><br />I agree that this is quite conceivable. I certainly hope you're right, Anon. <br /><br />And, I hope that Al Sharpton's threat to escalate if Zimmerman isn't charged doesn't lead to a riot. I hope that this case didn't influence the two young black men near Sanford who dragged a middle aged white man from his vehicle and tried to beat him to death with a hammer. And, I hope that the group of teens who beat an old man and mentioned the name "Trayvon" weren't influenced by this case. I hope that we don't see other riots and murders, like the cases of Freddie's Fashion Mart and Yankel Rosenblum that were encouraged by Al Sharptonn's dishonest rhetoric. <br /><br />However, when all we can do is hope that the media's dereliction of standards won't lead to mayhem and death, something is horribly wrong. Bob Somerby deserves all the credit in the world for scrutinizing the media's performance.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19565598994201637012012-04-07T12:04:19.400-04:002012-04-07T12:04:19.400-04:00By the way, in addition to the new "Shaken Ba...By the way, in addition to the new "Shaken Baby Syndrome" defense, Craig Sonner, one of the growing team of defense attorneys for Zimmerman, had this incredible thing to say yesterday:<br /><br />"People should stop screaming for justice and let the legal system work."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35294199396082710172012-04-07T12:01:32.285-04:002012-04-07T12:01:32.285-04:00real anonymous misses the point. Somerby isn't...real anonymous misses the point. Somerby isn't saying that Zimmerman is innocent. He is saying he doesn't know the facts sufficiently and therefore can't be sure. His criticism is that msnbc, e.g., so-called liberal spokesmen distort the facts. there is a difference. real anonymous has valid suspicions, but he/she doesn't know what happened for sure. It's at least possible that Zimmerman was attacked, that he is telling the truth, or partially telling it. It looks the authorities are investigating this and hopefully will get to the bottom of it and charge Zimmerman if it's warranted, without politics being involved one way or the other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79101841477500672262012-04-07T12:01:27.248-04:002012-04-07T12:01:27.248-04:00During the power point presentation police clearly...<i>During the power point presentation police clearly point out that neighborhood watch is not to pursue or pack weapons.<br /><br />Zimmerman knew the guidelines, he chose to ignore them.</i><br /><br />He was entirely within his legal rights to "pack" his weapon and to call police while keeping track of a suspicious person, to follow that person on a public street and on sidewalks in his neighborhood, to answer that person's question with "what are you doing around here," to not be physically attacked, and to shoot his attacker in self defense when he feared serious injury or death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21132729070679502062012-04-07T11:54:31.384-04:002012-04-07T11:54:31.384-04:00The lynch mob likes to use phrases like "chas...The lynch mob likes to use phrases like "chased with a gun" because they want you to imagine that Zimmerman ran down Trayvon Martin while brandishing his gun.<br /><br />They are afraid to state the facts in the neutral terms the evidence supports. Zimmerman walked down a sidewalk the same direction he had seen Martin run. <br /><br />Carrying his concealed weapon, which Zimmerman is legally permitted to regardless of neighborhood watch rules, whether on or off neighborhood watch "duty," he lost sight of Martin and was looking for an address from the front of the row of townhomes which Martin had run between. <br /><br />Martin approached him, words were exchanged, Martin attacked him, he screamed for help, no help arrived. Fearing serious injury or death as Martin bashed his head on the sidewalk, he shot Martin in self-defense.<br /><br />Simple, straightforward self-defense. Zimmerman need not prove his injuries were severe and he need not answer to neighborhood watch guidelines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45769381831074244742012-04-07T09:54:10.644-04:002012-04-07T09:54:10.644-04:00By the way, I count at least 28 posts -- almost ex...By the way, I count at least 28 posts -- almost exactly one-fourth the total -- occurring between two people when the Real Anonymous mopped the floor with the hapless KTW.<br /><br />Yeah, folks are coming to this blog in droves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44397798993009461002012-04-07T09:16:46.966-04:002012-04-07T09:16:46.966-04:00A public computer at 1:13 a.m., and 2:36 a.m. Paci...A public computer at 1:13 a.m., and 2:36 a.m. Pacific time?<br /><br />Braintree, what country were you in when you were a hippy and the cops were so mean to you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41930400512074566012012-04-07T09:03:21.342-04:002012-04-07T09:03:21.342-04:00Why, there must be at least 10, maybe as many as 2...Why, there must be at least 10, maybe as many as 20 people commenting today!<br /><br />Call the Guinness World Records people!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com