tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post656795704350152507..comments2024-03-28T19:05:40.172-04:00Comments on the daily howler: TUESDAY: Concerning that "decent respect...!"<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12170298409974017392022-05-13T19:08:22.209-04:002022-05-13T19:08:22.209-04:006:23 True or false? You're full of excuses.6:23 True or false? You're full of excuses. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81506123011486415722022-05-13T18:46:40.864-04:002022-05-13T18:46:40.864-04:00Lost an argument about what?Lost an argument about what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65079888825340789852022-05-13T18:23:27.919-04:002022-05-13T18:23:27.919-04:00Demonstrably you are incorrect.
Demonstrably you ...Demonstrably you are incorrect.<br /><br />Demonstrably you do not understand how the world works.<br /><br />You have no arms, no legs, yet you still want to fight your losing battle. No skin off my nose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29250144169931048662022-05-13T13:25:46.653-04:002022-05-13T13:25:46.653-04:00One of them apparently still thinks there's a ...One of them apparently still thinks there's a meaningful difference between the two parties.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26018923433889040802022-05-13T10:43:00.191-04:002022-05-13T10:43:00.191-04:00If it were not for constant dollars and Republican...If it were not for constant dollars and Republicans, the Democrats would eliminate the military-industrial complex all together.<br /><br />Polls show that they want to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7825707346609892012022-05-13T08:05:42.099-04:002022-05-13T08:05:42.099-04:00No argument at all. Affirmation of the greatness o...No argument at all. Affirmation of the greatness of the liberal tribe, firmly standing for everything good and against everything evil in the world. <br /><br />We're all true believers here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37283632389705012952022-05-13T08:02:13.089-04:002022-05-13T08:02:13.089-04:00They seem to be arguing we should be happy the Dem...They seem to be arguing we should be happy the Democrats try to decrease the military budgets even though the two biggest military budgets in world history have happened under Democrats. <br /><br />They seem to be arguing that if it weren't for the Republicans, the Democrats would cut these budgets in half or more.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32874479342437083832022-05-13T07:39:30.980-04:002022-05-13T07:39:30.980-04:00What was the argument about?What was the argument about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41310520287454427812022-05-13T06:52:55.257-04:002022-05-13T06:52:55.257-04:00Yeah. Mafia Joe's admin, with House and Senate...Yeah. Mafia Joe's admin, with House and Senate controlled by the liberal tribe, has radically cut the military budget from $753 billion in 2022 to unprecedented $813 billion for 2023. <br /><br />It's a great liberal victory. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50790188002911118122022-05-13T05:02:07.351-04:002022-05-13T05:02:07.351-04:00You do not understand about constant dollars.
Bid...You do not understand about constant dollars.<br /><br />Biden's "increase" was less than the increase in inflation, so not a real increase.<br /><br />You do not understand basic concepts, so you come across as radically dumb.<br /><br />Obama did decrease defense spending. Bush left soaring increases in defense spending; presidents are not kings, they can not reverse a runaway train immediately, you do not understand how budgets, funding, Congress, etc. works. <br /><br />Polls show that Dems want to decrease defense spending and Dems do in fact decrease defense spending, the opposite of what Republicans want and do.<br /><br />This has all been clearly demonstrated, it is fairly bone simple and straight forward stuff.<br /><br />You lost an argument, it is not the end of the world. Get a grip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72306031575178915592022-05-12T17:12:35.849-04:002022-05-12T17:12:35.849-04:00"Obama decreased spending."
After he in..."Obama decreased spending."<br /><br />After he increased it! Like Biden, the Democrat who is increasing it now. That's why you are a fucking fool. <br /><br />And it's still a straw man argument. It's not the point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47081968842567099032022-05-12T17:09:50.085-04:002022-05-12T17:09:50.085-04:00"Polls show that Dems want to decrease defens..."Polls show that Dems want to decrease defense spending, and that is what Dems do"<br /><br />But you just said Biden wanted to increase it and he's a Democrat. So it is shit coming out of your mouth. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38335948018642538202022-05-12T16:52:44.002-04:002022-05-12T16:52:44.002-04:00Bush spending in billions: 378, 441, 493, 533, 558...Bush spending in billions: 378, 441, 493, 533, 558, 590, 657, 706<br /><br />Obama spending in billions: 738, 752, 725, 679, 648, 634, 640, 647<br /><br />Bush increased spending, Obama decreased spending.<br /><br />Are you currently attending a faceplant convention? Perhaps you are a masochist?<br /><br />When reality strikes you as "crazy stuff", time to seek help.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16762838159635740572022-05-12T15:11:02.857-04:002022-05-12T15:11:02.857-04:00Obama: $700 billion a year average
Bush: $500 bill...Obama: $700 billion a year average<br />Bush: $500 billion a year average<br /><br />Write some more crazy stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29556921340845275632022-05-12T14:53:00.006-04:002022-05-12T14:53:00.006-04:001:06 I appreciate your effort to demonstrate a com...1:06 I appreciate your effort to demonstrate a common notion about insanity.<br /><br />As has been pointed out, those averages do not counter the fact that Bush increased spending and Obama decreased spending, they merely represent that Bush took a low level of spending and ballooned it, while Obama took a high level of spending and decreased it, by about 10%.<br /><br />This is basic math.<br /><br />That graph does not include Biden's defense spending, apparently you do not understand about fiscal years either, but Biden did propose a modest increase to defense spending (which had been increased by Trump back to Bush levels). The Biden proposed increase was so modest it did not keep up with inflation! However, the response was that MOST Dems (there are a few right wing Dems like Manchin etc) denounced the increase, while ALL Republicans said it was too small. There are no leftist Republicans, not even centrist.<br /><br />Polls show that Dems want to decrease defense spending, and that is what Dems do; Republicans want increases to defense spending and that is what they do.<br /><br />Also you do not understand about constant dollars, but since you exhibit a mental disability, there is little point in explaining.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#/media/File:U.S_-_China_-_Russia,_Military_Spending.svg<br /><br />Here is another graph, showing defense spending, it goes down with Clinton, sharply rises with Bush, down with Obama, then back up with Trump.<br /><br />So who is the "fucking fool"? You, obviously. <br /><br />Oof, triggered much? Why you mad, bro?<br /><br />Yes it is embarrassing to faceplant as hard as you have. Look at it as a learning experience. <br /><br />Bermie Sanders is the most popular Dem in the country, here is his take on defense spending:<br /><br />https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/16/defund-the-pentagon-the-liberal-case-364648<br /><br />There are a myriad of differences between Dems and Repubs, not just that Dems decrease defense spending while Repubs increase it. Most of these differences are fairly stark. <br /><br />Your bothsides false equivalency is not only misleading, it is misguided. All it does is provide an opportunity for Republicans to win even bigger. When morons like you get your head out of your asses and vote for Dems, positive things happen. They may not directly improve your personal life, (they probably do) but they do reduce the harm of right wingers, and they do help improve the lives of millions of people. <br /><br />Your way = society gets worse. <br /><br />Yeah, let's not do that. Idk maybe you're a nihilist. I hope you get help.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6885899572204430842022-05-12T13:06:07.696-04:002022-05-12T13:06:07.696-04:00Obama: $700 billion a year average
Bush: $500 bill...Obama: $700 billion a year average<br />Bush: $500 billion a year average<br /><br />But we've been shown that Democrats reduce defense spending by our brilliant local explainer. So don't believe those numbers at all! It's basic math.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39235345725422843852022-05-12T10:16:17.107-04:002022-05-12T10:16:17.107-04:00They cry, they suffer terribly when they increase ...They cry, they suffer terribly when they increase military spending. But they have to. Because Republicans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80424154506006207422022-05-12T03:50:30.133-04:002022-05-12T03:50:30.133-04:00Your Black Knight-ing, while somewhat amusing, is ...Your Black Knight-ing, while somewhat amusing, is childish.<br /><br />Also you do not understand the straw man fallacy, all the while providing a fairly decent example of one.<br /><br />Bush was responsible for his runaway train of defense spending. Obama was responsible for not only stopping Bush's runaway train, but reversing it by about 10%, a significant feat considering the mess Bush left, which gave Obama few options. <br /><br />Polls show Dems want to lower defense spending, and that is demonstrably what they do. Polls also show that Republicans want to increase defense spending and they in fact accomplish that.<br /><br />Also understanding basic math continues to be a problem for you.<br /><br />Also you do not understand about trends.<br /><br />Seems like you do not know how to read a graph. <br /><br />Under Bush the line goes up steeply, under Obama the line goes down. Up means an increase in spending, down means a decrease. Up, down, sit with a bit, it may hit you eventually.<br /><br />You stepped into a quagmire when you went all in on your nonsense argument. Yes, you look a little foolish now, with your tail between your legs.<br /><br />The difference between D's and R's can be seen in every facet of life. From defense spending, to protecting rights, to unionizing, on and on. The worst D is light years better than the best R.<br /><br />It is not always clear what right wingers support because they have no real ideology, just an undying need for dominance. But recently National Republican Senatorial Committee chair Rick Scott offered an outline of what they support. Now, Rick Scott is a mega con man, but this was an open admission of how Republicans want to govern, and Dems are having a field day because it provides a stark difference from the values and policies that Dems support.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56992221563481380672022-05-11T21:32:23.766-04:002022-05-11T21:32:23.766-04:00This is a straw man argument. Obama's war budg...This is a straw man argument. Obama's war budgets reached the highest they have ever been in American history and yes it's true after that apotheosis he did lower the budgets marginally to about the point where he inherited them and proud of that all we are of him.<br /><br />But that does not mean the Democratic party is not in bed with the military industrial complex. It does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that they have any sort of mechanism or even a desire with which to stop the criminal looting of our tax dollars which continues to happen no matter which of the only two parties anyone has a choice to vote for is sitting in the top spot.<br /><br />Your argument is that marginally diminishing the tragic figure expunges the Democrats from their responsibility for and agency in creating it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26815328561637530662022-05-11T19:19:02.483-04:002022-05-11T19:19:02.483-04:00You are just embarrassing yourself.
Those are ave...You are just embarrassing yourself.<br /><br />Those are averages.<br /><br />Bush's average includes low levels of spending he inherited from Clinton.<br /><br />Obama's average includes high levels of spending from Bush.<br /><br />You do not understand basic math. <br /><br />This is really basic math and it whooshes over your head. That's just really embarrassing. An elementary school student would not struggle with this like you are. Google local community colleges in your area and take a basic math class. Come back after, present a claim with evidence (which you have yet to do), and I will happily continue to debunk your nonsense.<br /><br />https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget#:~:text=U.S.%20military%20spending%2Fdefense%20budget%20for%202019%20was%20%24731.75B,a%201.08%25%20increase%20from%202016.<br /><br />Bush spending in billions: 378, 441, 493, 533, 558, 590, 657, 706<br /><br />Obama spending in billions: 738, 752, 725, 679, 648, 634, 640, 647<br /><br />See the trend, Bush took over a low level of spending, increased it dramatically, and started a war; Obama took over a high level of spending and a war, and decreased it - he could not decrease it dramatically because he was still funding Bush's war.<br /><br />So your smugness is without merit, you are wrong all the way around; Republicans want to increase defense spending and they do, Bush increased spending dramatically; Dems want to lower defense spending and they do as much as possible considering the mess Republicans leave, Obama decreased defense spending.<br /><br />Your nonsense has been repeatedly debunked, cling to your false claims, but you are wrong.<br /><br />I understand you are triggered, you admit to it (every right wing accusation is a confession), you got schooled, ok, ok, stay cool and learn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30796976750020177232022-05-11T16:42:45.030-04:002022-05-11T16:42:45.030-04:00Should we move on to Trump and Biden next?
Or per...Should we move on to Trump and Biden next?<br /><br />Or perhaps we should pause and take a moment to see if we can agree on the definition of "Decreased spending". You first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-92153953688788229222022-05-11T16:40:08.502-04:002022-05-11T16:40:08.502-04:00Obama: $700 billion a year
Bush: $500 billion a ye...Obama: $700 billion a year<br />Bush: $500 billion a year<br /><br />Article claim: Democrat Party's Stance on Military issues: Decreased spending<br /><br />Status: Debunked<br /><br />Reaction of poster of cite: TriggeredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85555860143446252782022-05-11T15:22:53.274-04:002022-05-11T15:22:53.274-04:008:20,
Why can’t you respect the opinions of those ...8:20,<br />Why can’t you respect the opinions of those who think the Democratic Party are Marxist commies, who want to destroy Capitalism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21619818894123805842022-05-11T15:20:43.755-04:002022-05-11T15:20:43.755-04:008:20,
You realize YOU are the one Bob is chastisin...8:20,<br />You realize YOU are the one Bob is chastising for not listening to “the Others”, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86949327606740489402022-05-11T15:19:57.834-04:002022-05-11T15:19:57.834-04:008:20 your nonsense has been debunked, yet again. G...8:20 your nonsense has been debunked, yet again. Grow up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com