tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6586102193166200100..comments2024-03-28T04:12:17.506-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Professor Parker journeys to Colby!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32973861233895097562014-01-10T11:43:46.662-05:002014-01-10T11:43:46.662-05:00Stay with me: your gloating over this episode show...Stay with me: your gloating over this episode shows that you have been hood-winked into believing that by being a fan of Maddow, you have not been utterly neutralized in the modern political battle.<br /><br />All hail Comcast!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14921409716329261232014-01-09T20:36:56.404-05:002014-01-09T20:36:56.404-05:00Ah, so that's why Bob told us that there was n...Ah, so that's why Bob told us that there was nothing to the bridge story.<br /><br />It's because Maddow is really a tool of elite and powerful.<br /><br />It all makes sense now. To you.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71094123467602728372014-01-09T16:28:35.632-05:002014-01-09T16:28:35.632-05:00You mean let's pretend that you're reasona...You mean let's pretend that you're reasonable and fairly intentioned.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65273933862233261232014-01-09T14:50:11.419-05:002014-01-09T14:50:11.419-05:00^
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a premise so absurd only an intellectual could...^<br />|<br />a premise so absurd only an intellectual could form it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48187439792607673172014-01-09T14:31:38.494-05:002014-01-09T14:31:38.494-05:0012:59
I agree, and add that one of the reasons th...12:59<br /><br />I agree, and add that one of the reasons that the trolls so often take up their pitchforks is that an obvious underlying theme at this blog is how the power elite divide and conquer.<br /><br />You see, Bob isn't really criticizing Maddow, he's rubbing her fan's faces in the fact that they are so gullible that they swallow this circus whole. I understand that there are differences between the Dems and Repugs, but if one gets so deep in the mud that all you see are enemies and friends, one will not notice that full employment is, in fact, by their policies, actually discouraged by nearly all national politicians, regardless of party. Big business is running the show, and Maddow is on the payroll.<br /><br />Have some of you proud liberals recognized how far it has gotten you and your middle class and working class peers when you show so convincingly how stupid the Repugs are? Do you ever wonder who you are convincing? Undecided voters? Really? They must just love the hatred and belittling you do to the stupid, racist party. I know that I'm always swayed by the debater with the largest supply of misanthropic vitrol. And here's another clue: just becasue you're laughing, doesn't mean you're not being mean.<br /><br />You know way in the back of your heads that the media kings set up these poo-flinging set pieces (in print and on TV), to keep the rabble's minds clear of the obvious solutions to help support the average American.<br /><br />Bob is wrong often. But he shows this modern truth. So you hate him for it.<br /><br />I know, I know. I'm full of shit. Maddow will come out any day now with support for a return to the Communications Act of 1934.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76134007125778793802014-01-09T14:08:39.284-05:002014-01-09T14:08:39.284-05:0012:59
Cut out the "can't we all just get...12:59<br /><br />Cut out the "can't we all just get along" crap.<br /><br />The mistake can be resolved by the blogger issuing a humble mea culpa. Instead he has made it worse by bringing in Gail Collins who had nothing to do with the faeces-hurling he did against Maddow, the war or Gore and every irrelevancy except how he acted like a dick and got caught out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35142337607024882362014-01-09T12:59:16.641-05:002014-01-09T12:59:16.641-05:00This particular comment section is probably a good...This particular comment section is probably a good example of the problem that TDH often brings up about our inability to have a serious discussion. Most of the comments are off subject. Some believe they have caught a TDH mistake on a completely different subject and they will not let any further discussions occur until they "resolve" this mistake. Nothing, of course, can resolve the mistake, so the bickering becomes endless and ultimately pointless. The result is that all serious discussion ends and no one obtains any new insights or relevant points of view. What were we talking about then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71578214611451451432014-01-09T12:24:16.868-05:002014-01-09T12:24:16.868-05:00Even worse than the truth that he was dead wrong i...Even worse than the truth that he was dead wrong is the way he went about criticizing Maddow, calling her a bought and paid for partisan hack for even daring to report the story.<br /><br />What happened to all his lectures about how King and Mandela treated their "enemies"?<br /><br />Down the memory hole, I guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44771531126767467042014-01-09T12:20:46.370-05:002014-01-09T12:20:46.370-05:00Exactly. How rude of the professor to ask a heckle...Exactly. How rude of the professor to ask a heckler to support his argument. Why that's never done in academic circles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46609902294811374992014-01-09T12:02:02.895-05:002014-01-09T12:02:02.895-05:00This topic is dead, but when TDH discusses scripts...This topic is dead, but when TDH discusses scripts Gore 2000 is very much alive got it.<br /><br />Bob had a script for Maddow, and played us like fools. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25179266960455000902014-01-09T11:56:53.699-05:002014-01-09T11:56:53.699-05:0011:36
This is not some disagreement about the cap...11:36<br /><br />This is not some disagreement about the capital of Poland. This is a white couple (most likely not students) who showed up and the man lobs an unsupported statement at a professor who HAD PROVIDED SUPPORTING DATA to show that its intended effect is to suppress low income/minority votes.<br /><br />The man took a cheap shot and the professor decided that he wasn't there to learn and nailed him. I have seen even math lecturers do that to the wilfully dumb. He got exactly what he deserved,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71055341790374862162014-01-09T11:36:46.689-05:002014-01-09T11:36:46.689-05:00Asking an audience member to supply sources on the...Asking an audience member to supply sources on the spot, off the top of his head, is bullying. The professor has been studying this and should be able to supply support himself, especially since he was asserting that voter fraud is not a real issue. He could have educated people. Instead he created a circus.<br /><br />In class, if a student contradicts something a professor says, the professor doesn't say "show me your sources." He or she directs the student to a resource or discusses the issue (with evidential support and analysis). Parker should know the figures for investigations of voter fraud, and should be able to cite them. It is his field of research. Some schmuck in the audience doesn't do this for a living and cannot be expected to reel off citations from his seat at the back of the room. That's just ridiculous. There is no place in education for bullying, even if the teacher is right about his statements. It makes the student (or audience member) shut up but it doesn't change their mind or convince them of anything. It makes others watching very nervous and it stifles further discussion, which is perhaps what Parker wanted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53748488710744400792014-01-09T11:28:26.483-05:002014-01-09T11:28:26.483-05:0010:54 hope you like the Kool Aid.
"Parker ch...10:54 hope you like the Kool Aid.<br /><br />"Parker challenges the man to provide evidence supporting his claim that voter fraud is a real problem. The problem with that is that a speaker is expected to provide evidence to support his claims, not the audience,"<br /><br />EVERYBODY has the obligation to support positive assertions. Prima facie it seems to be voter suppression and not fraud prevention since it is happening mostly in Red states and he even gave reasons such as a hunting license being acceptable but not a college ID. The professor has been studying this and was justifiably peremptory and perhaps even bullying with a layman making unsupported claims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56639712453195507742014-01-09T11:28:10.143-05:002014-01-09T11:28:10.143-05:00This topic is dead here. Go away.This topic is dead here. Go away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20466774062999678262014-01-09T11:27:48.896-05:002014-01-09T11:27:48.896-05:00My conversations with conservatives leads me to be...My conversations with conservatives leads me to believe they are undereducated. I think that is partly because the sources they read mislead them and are not factually correct. For example, I read Amity Shales book on the depression, the Forgotten Man, and it presents a factually distorted look at historical events that is not shared by other historians of that time period. If conservatives read it, their point of view will be validated and they will be given a bunch of selective info and arguments to support their viewpoint, but they will not understand how real history is written and what the consensus among historians is about it. There are agreements in the field about what constitutes evidence and how arguments are made. I find that conservatives don't understand that and base their views on mistaken information about the world, on a wide variety of issues. I don't know what can be done about that other than to encourage more students to attend college and support non-partisan sources of info that will cut across the garbage sources. I don't think these are stupid or gullible people, I think they are untrained in critical thinking and under-exposed to mainstream thought in most fields.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28435959116847021032014-01-09T11:25:14.237-05:002014-01-09T11:25:14.237-05:00Aside from the obvious-- that Bob has been wrong a...Aside from the obvious-- that Bob has been wrong about the whole Christie thing from the start--that he skewered himself while trying to jab Maddow--the amazing thing is that he doesn't just concede the issue. <br /><br />If Bob would concede that he was wrong from the start on this one, it would make him seem honest, mature and credible. It would make TDH's other misadventures on, say, Zimmerman and Susan Rice seem somewhat more plausible. But when what was always true finally becomes undeniably obvious to everyone, it cannot help this blog to keep asserting that previous misguided and incorrect assessments were somehow wise, considered and well-informed. <br /><br />It's not like Bob didn't get a lot of feedback that he was barreling down the wrong path in real time... Trollmesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60973565361253451462014-01-09T11:09:03.213-05:002014-01-09T11:09:03.213-05:00If "racist" is the first adjective you t...If "racist" is the first adjective you think of to describe the Tea Party, you're doing it wrong. "Stupid" and "gullible" are WAY MORE accurate descriptors.<br /><br />BertoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50900166681214660452014-01-09T11:06:17.275-05:002014-01-09T11:06:17.275-05:00No, there is no "rule". But as even you ...No, there is no "rule". But as even you admit, that's the way it works out even in this case.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21287807688629458792014-01-09T11:02:22.836-05:002014-01-09T11:02:22.836-05:00Thank you for this fine, fine comment.Thank you for this fine, fine comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3064826075417809572014-01-09T11:01:25.518-05:002014-01-09T11:01:25.518-05:00Bob, there is 1 completely crazy and completely vi...Bob, there is 1 completely crazy and completely vicious troll who is trying to destroy this blog and you. Please do ban the troll. No blogger should tolerate such maliciousness. You are too valuable to allow such maliciousness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12757541825533753662014-01-09T10:58:21.931-05:002014-01-09T10:58:21.931-05:00By golly, reporters jumping to conclusions is the ...By golly, reporters jumping to conclusions is the Somerby script, and they are sticking with it. <br /><br />Unfortunately they are guilty of a classic Bobism -- projecting their own flaws upon favored targets. <br /><br />" . . . no one has established a single thing she reported that was wrong, inaccurate, or that went beyond the known facts."<br /><br />Bingo. And they don't and won't because they can't. All they can do is recite the script Somerby has handed them.<br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39345931330643919582014-01-09T10:57:35.516-05:002014-01-09T10:57:35.516-05:00Thank you for directing readers back to a really i...Thank you for directing readers back to a really important example of intellectual paralysis. The professor's performance at Colby does so remind one of Joyce and Dublin at the turn of the previous century.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14168232441345588642014-01-09T10:56:55.690-05:002014-01-09T10:56:55.690-05:00You guys clearly don't understand what trollin...You guys clearly don't understand what trolling is, then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76532637610023797362014-01-09T10:56:47.973-05:002014-01-09T10:56:47.973-05:00I like Somerby and have been reading him since the...I like Somerby and have been reading him since the 2000 campaign. But i strongly disagreed with him on his take on the Christie story. And i also strongly disagreed with over the Zimmerman case. <br /><br />Like most people (i assume), I tend not to post when i agree with him - what's the point?<br /><br />My take from some posters here is if you disagree with Somerby you're a troll. Odd.hankestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19432057707010261242014-01-09T10:54:48.080-05:002014-01-09T10:54:48.080-05:00All his readers don't think he's desperate...All his readers don't think he's desperate and full of hot air.<br />Cecelia Mc is always there for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com