tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6611830448987507282..comments2024-03-28T12:00:43.407-04:00Comments on the daily howler: CONCERNING THE 48,000: Concerning our pitiful public discussions!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87194181270798058642018-03-18T03:23:49.860-04:002018-03-18T03:23:49.860-04:00
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Why would a newspaper publish something of general interest in terminology that only some would understand?Dave the Guitar Playernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86747185985471777132018-01-09T10:13:58.975-05:002018-01-09T10:13:58.975-05:00Yeah, it was either 'bigotry', or protest ...Yeah, it was either 'bigotry', or protest against globalist/neoliberal economics and endless imperialist war-making practiced by the elite (epitomized in the old psycho-witch). <br /><br />Or, perhaps, that's what 'bigotry' means, in which case we're in agreement. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4265147292180349332018-01-09T09:50:27.670-05:002018-01-09T09:50:27.670-05:00I know but we, the left, are morally superior and ...I know but we, the left, are morally superior and smarter (woke) so it doesn't matter. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41243667827026347932018-01-08T22:18:41.436-05:002018-01-08T22:18:41.436-05:00There are a couple of things that the report shoul...There are a couple of things that the report should have addressed, were it both competent and honest.<br /><br />First...it would not have compared the fraction of killing victims who were black males to the proportion of black males within the total population. It could reasonably have compared fraction who were black males to the fraction of the male population who were black, or equivalently, the fraction of the dead who were black to the fraction of the population who are black. That would still have showed a substantial disproportion...22% of dead, but only 13% of the population. But comparing 22% to 6% is either innumerate or dishonest....precisely because, as Bob points out, essentially now women of any race are killed by the police.<br /><br />Secondly...I have not tried with the new data...but whenever I have looked, the rate of black shootings has been broadly in line with the rate of black incarceration. Since police shootings are most likely to occur in the apprehension of suspects in serious crime, that is roughly the rate we expect if the distribution of behaviors of the arrestees and the police were little affected by the race of the arrestee. Thus, the higher rate in the population as a whole of police killings of African Americans is explainable by the higher rate at which they are arrested. That higher arrest rate might be consistent with racism in the criminal justice system...but the higher death rate would not seem to require a greater disregard for African American than white life on the part of police officers.<br /><br />These points have been made repeatedly by reputable academics, yet they are resisted in absurd ways by many journalists...see the ridiculous pro-publica number on the ratio of deaths of African Americans to white in a narrow age range in a period of two years...an egregious example of grossly dishonest cherry-picking of data, that is still quoted and has never been withdrawn.<br /><br />Sadly, this is our (the left's) version of climate change denial.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18279699469077090424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2706075324702602462018-01-08T16:12:19.115-05:002018-01-08T16:12:19.115-05:00The Washington Post, like everywhere else, figured...The Washington Post, like everywhere else, figured out Trump's bigotry won him the election within 24 hours of the polls closing. <br />They're just paid to make it look like it was Russian interference, or Hillary's (non-) corruption, or white voters concerned about the rigged economy, or really, anything other than Trump's bigotry.<br />Look at the way they made believe Colin Kaepernick was insulting military veterans, just so they wouldn't have to discuss the nation's white supremacy fetish. They are a joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68419371483677848642018-01-08T15:20:32.873-05:002018-01-08T15:20:32.873-05:00Why do these analyses never mention suicide by cop...Why do these analyses never mention suicide by cop? Are such deaths excluded from the statistics?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50418247947497415572018-01-08T15:17:36.765-05:002018-01-08T15:17:36.765-05:00Why does Somerby always blame the reporters when h...Why does Somerby always blame the reporters when he doesn't understand something?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15391783141876569172018-01-08T15:14:06.280-05:002018-01-08T15:14:06.280-05:00"robust" is a specialized term in statis..."robust" is a specialized term in statistics. The reporter ought not to have used it, since a reader won't know what it's supposed to mean.<br /><br />Here's one way to say, “The numbers indicate that this is not a trend, but a robust measure of these shootings?" in English:<br /><br /><i>The number of killings is large enough so that we can conclude that the pattern (in this case, no trend) is not just a coincidence.</i>David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27242666446156644972018-01-08T14:59:21.386-05:002018-01-08T14:59:21.386-05:00'Mao' really sucks up to his paymasters'Mao' really sucks up to his paymasters Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67623961783177013552018-01-08T13:06:34.743-05:002018-01-08T13:06:34.743-05:00Hey Bob, since you're reading all that WaPo sh...Hey Bob, since you're reading all that WaPo shit: have they figured out how to blame the Russkies for these particular unpleasantries yet? Some youtube video of unknown origin, perhaps? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22898770148934394792018-01-08T13:02:29.202-05:002018-01-08T13:02:29.202-05:00"Especially when dealing with large populatio..."Especially when dealing with large populations, is it unusual for various numbers to stay largely unchanged over the course of a couple of years?"<br /><br />It depends on which "various numbers" are being referred to. Deaths from outbreaks of various diseases may vary quite considerably. Do police shootings fall into the category of things one would assume would remain the same from year to year? Why should they? It isn't clear to me. <br /><br />"“The numbers indicate that this is not a trend, but a robust measure of these shootings?" Would you know how to say that in English?"<br />The data indicate a steady state, and not a downward or upward change, i.e. trend. How hard was that to understand?<br /><br />"Does anyone think that those unfortunate numbers don't"track with overall violence in American society" in some basic way and to some basic extent? "<br /><br />Well, the whole point of statistics and science in general is NOT to start from some foregone conclusion, no matter how obvious that conclusion may initially seem. <br /><br />"We pretend to care about black kids when they get shot and killed. We pretend to care about these kids at no other time and in no other context... Indeed, as we read this morning's report, we thought about the 48,000 again. "<br /><br />The Post article is, apparently, not about the 48,000. That doesn't negate the value of the article or the importance of its topic. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com