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And d...How come women get glass and Asians bamboo?<br /><br />And don't ignore the brave white men who broke down the Iron Curtain so you whiners could complain about what's on the ceiling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90760623912929751522015-02-26T12:10:43.846-05:002015-02-26T12:10:43.846-05:00Update: No "pleasant" yet.Update: No "pleasant" yet.Andrichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05112122756372293096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65889344049409485332015-02-26T12:02:43.153-05:002015-02-26T12:02:43.153-05:00Gack, another panegyric praising the philosopher k...Gack, another panegyric praising the philosopher king of Harvard yard and classroom champion of the underclass.<br /><br />We advise you not to unlearn the lesson of NBC. <br /><br />You have bought the tale of the poor boy with his BA fleeing to Baltimore from the oppression of an unpopular war and forced conscription. You have repeated the myth of the man who could see through ancient Greeks and pompous professors and, with tattered volume of Kozol in hand fought for the hearts and minds of fifth graders.<br /><br />Who tells this story? Why Somerby himself. But it conflicts with other stories he has told. How he is the descendant of two generations of showmen. Well connected men who knew show biz giants like P.T. Barnum, Tom Thumb, and perhaps even Gypsy Rose Lee! Do those connections explain how he suddenly burst from the classroom to national fame on the comedy circuit and television appearances? What was he paid? That has not been told.<br /><br />He mysteriously appeared for a while in middle school. Was it in a real class or a rubber room? Can that explain the vehemence displayed against Kristof? Perhaps. But remember your lesson. Seek answers from real, not pseudo-journalists. Ask for independent verification. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58022457679242017632015-02-26T11:56:43.011-05:002015-02-26T11:56:43.011-05:00The General Studies Left doesn't like Bob beca...The General Studies Left doesn't like Bob because Bob ridicules their idols. They learned new ways of looking at things in community college and the key to universal happiness is everyone agreeing not to say the wrong words or think the wrong thoughts. It's all right there in "Imagine."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60365667131502435402015-02-26T11:31:48.026-05:002015-02-26T11:31:48.026-05:00You are right @ 11:06.
Throughout the seventeen...You are right @ 11:06. <br /><br />Throughout the seventeen years Somerby has been blogging, carefully fine tuning his message while keeping his website current with the incredible changes in web technology, he has managed to find his niche. <br /><br />No need to savage the lies of the broad spectrum of print, broadcast. and internet based journalism like he did in the early years. He is no longer a young energetic middle aged man. He needed to find his niche.<br /><br />Just focus on the pseudo-liberals with their Maoist tendencies driving wedges that enabled Reagan and who stood by silently while poor Al Gore lost an election in which he got more votes. Without the courage of Somerby who knows what further damage they will be capable of. We need him to keep slugging it out on behalf of progressive interests, holding down his niche.<br /><br />One day our grandchildren will sing the Song of Somerby. He stopped the meltdown of our intellectual culture. He held Ft. Howler. Last bastion against the horde of hacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49930393647941451092015-02-26T11:10:33.269-05:002015-02-26T11:10:33.269-05:00"You think this is trivial and you use it to ..."You think this is trivial and you use it to mock Somerby."<br /><br />Truth be told, @ 10:35 Somerby is being mocked. He works hard to earn it. That does not mean we think the story of the girl in Haiti is trivial to her and other girls in her situation. <br /><br />But whatever did happen in Haiti happened over a year ago (Somerby made an error in reporting when Kristof first wrote about it). And I predicted, when Bob first posted about it, that he would delay his follow up post until long after the PBS video disappeared from the web so he could, as he often does, misrepresent facts about it and force his few readers he has and who watched it to rely on fading memory of what they saw to refute his misrepresentation. Your comment is a perfect example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18802012472252172682015-02-26T11:06:19.845-05:002015-02-26T11:06:19.845-05:00O'Reilly is not liberal. If Somerby were to ch...O'Reilly is not liberal. If Somerby were to chase all the idiocies on the right, there wouldn't be enough hours in the day. Media Matters is already doing a fine job of documenting O'Reilly's lies. Why should Somerby reinvent the wheel when there is no one looking at the left from the left? That is his niche.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32147324827131117522015-02-26T10:56:04.312-05:002015-02-26T10:56:04.312-05:00Another diatribe whose main purpose is to attack S...Another diatribe whose main purpose is to attack Somerby.<br /><br />30 hours x 6 families is a great deal of data. Try transcribing those interactions and you'll see how much it is.<br /><br />If a result is statistically significant with 6 families, why do you think it would not be with more? Usually the problem with small samples is the difficulty getting a statistically significant result. That one exists with 6 families suggests this is a strong effect, a big difference between the groups.<br /><br />No one has claimed they can "predict exactly" how kids will perform at age 9-10 and no one has said that the kids Somerby taught learned nothing. This is all you and it is ridiculous.<br /><br />If you think literacy has nothing to do with the demonstrated gap between poor kids and middle class ones, what do you think explains it? It cannot be all those philosophy majors without training, because they are only a small % of the teachers. On his best day, Somerby only taught 30 kids (give or take). What do you think accounts for the gap in test scores?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36936978304361185052015-02-26T10:55:59.181-05:002015-02-26T10:55:59.181-05:00You dumb lazy commenters are debating the trees an...You dumb lazy commenters are debating the trees and missing the forest.<br /><br />"Where do “facts” come from?" Bob Somerby asks sadly at the end of his third post on a single Kristof column. (Each really bad Kristof column deserves a least three posts).<br /><br />Bob refers to a Pingback pop-up link from Trendingnewz.com amidst a comment section of a website which references the topic at hand.<br /><br />Throughout the post Somerby has been hinting that the answer is the vile Kristof. At the end he hedges: Students see female professors as bossy! Thanks to the efforts of <strong>people like</strong> Kristof, this is becoming a “fact.”<br /><br />"People like" Kristof. If you trace the Pingback to its source it is not Kristof, it is the Think Progress post of February 9, the one which Kristof (or his assistant) cut and pasted. The one Bob referred to as "copying off the papers of other pseudo-journalists, including those who are many years younger than he is." (No unconscious age bias from Bob there, just necessary demographic facts). <br /><br /><br />Is misinfromation spreading instantaneously across the globe in bad web articles based on bad research? Are pop-ups. Tweets, Facebook on the Internet replacing Elvis and his Negro infected music on the radio as the death virus threatening our culture?<br /><br />Turn back with Bob, readers, to a simpler, less tribal time. Back before Al Gore took the intiative in creating the Internet. Back to when news was filtered by The Gatekeepers. Walter. David. Anchors selected carefully by the corporate suits at places like NBC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73226291247068799762015-02-26T10:49:21.577-05:002015-02-26T10:49:21.577-05:00Months ago in reply to this assertion I posted a l...Months ago in reply to this assertion I posted a link to a report about the bamboo ceiling for Asian American workers. Their supposed success is only at the lower levels of employment, including in the tech industry. Why do you persist in these stereotypes in the face of evidence that you are mistaken?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67310028153404357362015-02-26T10:47:02.749-05:002015-02-26T10:47:02.749-05:00Never liked Kristof, agree with the Daily Howler a...Never liked Kristof, agree with the Daily Howler about the very low level of all NY Times Op Eders. But if Brian Williams was a big deal, O"Reilly is bigger. I would expect Bob to simply stonewall that which doesn't fit into his his overview, we've seen it before, I expect we will see it here. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26396528325828996502015-02-26T10:35:35.930-05:002015-02-26T10:35:35.930-05:00You think this is trivial and you use it to mock S...You think this is trivial and you use it to mock Somerby. In one segment, the girl is forced to return to her mother who clearly doesn't want her. In the other, the girl is returned to a group home where she is greeted warmly. Which is true? Shouldn't this be clear? The two stories are incompatible. Are these children merely pawns in our entertainment industry where "news" serves only to arouse emotion, or do their lives matter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76591309604391537182015-02-26T10:07:02.643-05:002015-02-26T10:07:02.643-05:00The latest O'Reilly story started with "U...The latest O'Reilly story started with "Uncle" Corn, who tickles the fancy of Somerby's analysts from time to time. It now involves CNN and the New York Times/ Throwing the tarnished image of NBC aside, Rachel Maddow jumped in head first last night. Clearly its a story about discourse and involves Howler friends and foes alike. <br /><br />Surely Bob Somerby would have at least a wry observation or two.<br /><br />"That said, we’ve been trying to move ahead to a discussion of Kristof’s recent PBS series, A Path Appears. We were puzzled by various things we saw in the segment from Port-au-Prince. <br /><br />On a purely journalistic basis, how in the world can PBS get away with the story it told?" Somerby<br /><br />Think we will get a story promised back before Valentine's Day instead? How on earth could this have been delayed?<br /><br />What actually happened in Haiti in 2013?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22440697263516097322015-02-26T09:27:58.411-05:002015-02-26T09:27:58.411-05:00As Bob continues to hammer on Kristof far beyond t...As Bob continues to hammer on Kristof far beyond the point anyone could be much interested, a new wrinkle has emerged for The Daily Howler to brazen out. <br /><br /> They've got O"Reilly dead to rights, and he's threaten his critics in a way far, far beyond the pale of acceptable decency. It's not the first time he's done this, mind you, but it's the first time it's really been noticed. <br /><br /> Bob has been soft on O"Reilly for years, even forgetting his attempt to have Al Gore indited during the endlessly referenced "War On Gore!" Has "It wasn't just Fox News" morphed into "It's never Fox Nexs?" Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86054812320464397482015-02-26T04:18:23.562-05:002015-02-26T04:18:23.562-05:00Toto, thanks for the link. Too bad they didn't...Toto, thanks for the link. Too bad they didn't cross the border to the Missouri side to see if such interventions as "Parents As Teachers" -- widely in place in Missouri -- had any effect.<br /><br />But reading this rather brief report, it is no wonder that the Hart-Risley study has been slammed every way to Sunday by serious social researches.<br /><br />They observed their 42 familes for one hour, once a month, for 30 months or so. And of course, even though the hour was of the parent's choosing, the presence of the observer had no effect whatsoever. It was just a typical hour like all others, in which a complete stranger was present, taking notes about "everything" that happened.<br /><br />So by observing these kids 30 times over 2.5 years, we can predict exactly how that kid will perform in school at age 9-10.<br /><br />No wonder Somerby finds that study so comforting. It wasn't his fault, the teacher, that his inner-city Baltimore fifth graders couldn't learn a damned thing from a teacher with a B.A. in philosophy, and no formal training in education except a six-week boot camp.<br /><br />Nope. It was the fault of those damned KC, Kansas, poor parents who didn't talk to their kids enough and use enough big words when the did while they were babies.<br /><br />Nothing he could possibly do about that, and by golly, he's got the "study" to prove it!<br /><br />After all, they assembled the stunning mountain of data from 30 hours of "observation" of six welfare families.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81394186578524788442015-02-26T03:27:02.066-05:002015-02-26T03:27:02.066-05:00Kristof and that gender studies professor are worr...Kristof and that gender studies professor are worrying about occasional use of words like "bossy". Meanwhile, truly horrible things are happening to some women. E.g. <br /><a href="http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4361192.ece" rel="nofollow">Girls in Rotherham are still being groomed by sex gangs, warns MP</a> <br /><i>Sarah Champion, who is seeking improved support and protection for sex-grooming victims, said that vulnerable children in the South Yorkshire town continued to fall victim to the same pattern of abuse that had led to the pimping and trafficking of hundreds of girls...</i><br />David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7873040505249272302015-02-26T03:26:52.676-05:002015-02-26T03:26:52.676-05:00@9:16, I have no idea what conclusion "a larg...@9:16, I have no idea what conclusion "a large proportion of Times readers" jumped to when they read Kristof's column about the NC State experiment, and neither do you.<br /><br />But I guess you can always speculate and read minds if that's the only way to fit it into Somerby's pleasing tale.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10380678014152263932015-02-26T02:45:56.432-05:002015-02-26T02:45:56.432-05:00Roger -- Fair comment but I don't fully agree....Roger -- Fair comment but I don't fully agree. You say Kristof points that all humans don't fully recognize the realities of their own situations. From that premise, Kristof might have argued that blacks who think they perceive white privilege are just wrong. Being human, they're not recognizing the reality of their own situation. If Kristof had written that, you and I would respond, "Wait a minute! How do you know it's the blacks who are being unrealistic. Maybe white privilege is real. Maybe the whites who don't see white privilege are the ones who are failing to recognize reality." <br /><br />IMHO if Kristof had noted this human failing but then assumed that it applied only to blacks, that would have been racist. In any event, the fact that humans sometimes fail to recognize reality doesn't prove whether or not white male privilege exists.<br /><br />P.S. I appreciate living in Silicon Valley, where there's a large, successful Asian population. Their success refutes the idea of white privilege. 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