tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post696107764029222130..comments2024-03-28T15:37:42.870-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Supplemental: Bill Clinton admits ten-minute "affair!"<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86192859470259934752016-01-17T13:49:37.357-05:002016-01-17T13:49:37.357-05:00"You go ahead and put Karl Marx at the top of..."You go ahead and put Karl Marx at the top of the Democratic ticket.<br /><br />Karl marx is dead. Put a liberal at the top of the ticket. Give the nation a fighting chance.<br /><br />In Hillary's defense, it was Bill, not her who shot liberals gangland-style in a back alley.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24711923743739354492016-01-17T13:42:51.635-05:002016-01-17T13:42:51.635-05:00"I have never voted Republican in my life.&qu..."I have never voted Republican in my life."<br /><br />You have a modicum of common sense, I see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48751819193651444212016-01-16T13:40:35.841-05:002016-01-16T13:40:35.841-05:00Missing details
It’s unclear whether Sanders woul...Missing details<br /><br />It’s unclear whether Sanders would eliminate deductibles and co-pays. These costs currently exist under Medicare, and his 2013 bill makes no mention of changing the system. But the breakdown from his campaign lists both as $0.<br /><br /><br />http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/13/how-much-would-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan-cos/<br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62414707987105783462016-01-16T13:25:40.772-05:002016-01-16T13:25:40.772-05:00So 12:04 was wrong and none of Bob Somerby's r...So 12:04 was wrong and none of Bob Somerby's readers have any more firm idea whether the assertions made by him of Lyons are accurate than New York Times readers have of the editorial board's accuracy.<br /><br />Does it make a difference? Yeah, because almost nobody reads Lyons or Somerby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4489237766069329832016-01-16T12:44:22.849-05:002016-01-16T12:44:22.849-05:00He hasn't even released a real plan, which, qu...He hasn't even released a real plan, which, quite fairly, drives Clinton nuts. "The devil's in the details when it comes to health care," http://www.vox.com/2016/1/15/10775420/hillary-clinton-doesnt-trust-yoummnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10343824904330527982016-01-16T11:48:13.953-05:002016-01-16T11:48:13.953-05:00So he got the information somewhere else. What dif...So he got the information somewhere else. What difference does it make?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76354140526794214112016-01-16T10:59:21.828-05:002016-01-16T10:59:21.828-05:00http://www.vox.com/2016/1/15/10775420/hillary-clin...http://www.vox.com/2016/1/15/10775420/hillary-clinton-doesnt-trust-youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81658844462580255322016-01-16T09:03:33.429-05:002016-01-16T09:03:33.429-05:00@5:31, thanks for the links to Bernie's hot ai...@5:31, thanks for the links to Bernie's hot air and proving my point.<br /><br />Don't let me discourage you. You go ahead and put Karl Marx at the top of the Democratic ticket. buona fortuna <br /><br />"You say you want a revolution,<br />We'd all love to see the plan"mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25815206309367243502016-01-16T04:01:24.287-05:002016-01-16T04:01:24.287-05:00This is a pitiful personal attack and it really hu...This is a pitiful personal attack and it really hurts your argument. How can you expect to be taken seriously if your major attack against me on a blog that criticizes the media is that the media decided they were false, and anyone who believes otherwise is a Republican?<br /><br />I have never voted Republican in my life. <br /><br />As for circumstantial evidence, read the report by Dylan and make up your own mind. Stop letting the party think for you. This is supposed to be a free country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91170380947537443242016-01-15T17:31:20.698-05:002016-01-15T17:31:20.698-05:00mm @ 12:12
https://berniesanders.com/press-releas...mm @ 12:12<br /><br />https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-response-to-clinton-health-care-attacks/<br /><br />https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Health-care-fact-sheet.pdf<br /><br />http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/13/how-much-would-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan-cos/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87631600785664930912016-01-15T17:17:32.647-05:002016-01-15T17:17:32.647-05:00Was that the source cited by Bob Somerby in the mi...Was that the source cited by Bob Somerby in the mind of 11:49? Or was it the testimony copied and pasted by @12:11 who probably asked the original question?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26079686319968142692016-01-15T17:16:02.100-05:002016-01-15T17:16:02.100-05:00Any there is nohing about 10 minutes or a back sea...Any there is nohing about 10 minutes or a back seat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10382214722623586362016-01-15T17:13:34.029-05:002016-01-15T17:13:34.029-05:00The final leap of the Clintonistas...back to 2008 ...The final leap of the Clintonistas...back to 2008 charges. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12797676638122203232016-01-15T15:08:53.669-05:002016-01-15T15:08:53.669-05:00It means absolutely nothing except to those with n...It means absolutely nothing except to those with nothing else to obsess over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4027170790538066452016-01-15T13:57:26.829-05:002016-01-15T13:57:26.829-05:00Chris Matthews visited the Maddow show. Rachel sa...Chris Matthews visited the Maddow show. Rachel said many nice things about Chris. Rachel has never taken Chris to task for what happened in the past or for anything he says today. It isn't done. What do you think it means?Dave the Guitar Playernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64073957939850922382016-01-15T13:57:21.325-05:002016-01-15T13:57:21.325-05:00No, it's because we have an undergraduate degr...No, it's because we have an undergraduate degree in a discipline and from an institution that helps us maintain the delusion that we know far more than we actually do.<br /><br />It's called pseudo-intellectualism. <br /><br />By the way, all you snot-nosed millennials with your Twitter and your Instagram? Get off Bob's lawn! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87734999244798212622016-01-15T13:53:23.453-05:002016-01-15T13:53:23.453-05:00We should neither forget the past or remain stuck ...We should neither forget the past or remain stuck in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30559940972945792072016-01-15T13:51:02.907-05:002016-01-15T13:51:02.907-05:00If what happened in 1998 is irrelevant, why is it ...If what happened in 1998 is irrelevant, why is it still happening in 2016? Why is it being discussed in the New York Times in 2016? Obviously what happened in 1998 *is* important, but not because of the "affair", but because of how the truth is being twisted right now for political purposes by the "journalists" who are supposed to be providing their readers with the information they need to make informed decisions.Dave the Guitar Playernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36128876383534271212016-01-15T12:38:34.507-05:002016-01-15T12:38:34.507-05:00Here is the definition of sex used in that deposit...Here is the definition of sex used in that deposition. Note that it is very broad and not restricted to intercourse or penetration. It can include kissing or sexual touching, not resulting in any further sex act, which is the point of the above questioning.<br /><br />"Editor's Note: The Jones legal team submitted the following "Definition of Sexual Relations" to the court: For the purposes of this deposition, a person engages in "sexual relations" when the person knowingly engages in or causes - <br /> (1) contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person; <br /> (2) contact between any part of the person's body or an object and the genitals or anus of another person; or <br /> (3) contact between the genitals or anus of the person and any part of another person's body. "Contact" means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing." <br /><br />Thus Clinton did not admit to contact with Flowers resembling anything the general public would consider to be sex. His admission could cover the kind of casual contact that occurs in the subway on a crowded train, for example, or a rejected pass. We don't know from Clinton's statement what happened but he did not admit to having any kind of affair with Flowers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23745610763409349862016-01-15T12:28:44.671-05:002016-01-15T12:28:44.671-05:00http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/spec...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/clintondep031398.htm<br /><br />This source has a link to Clinton's deposition in the Paula Jones lawsuit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54139034882940813532016-01-15T12:16:58.752-05:002016-01-15T12:16:58.752-05:00In school you probably asked other people to do yo...In school you probably asked other people to do your homework.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44667348976190068262016-01-15T12:12:52.756-05:002016-01-15T12:12:52.756-05:00How were her criticisms rebutted? Take you time.
...How were her criticisms rebutted? Take you time.<br /><br />Someone above claimed her criticism was "dishonest". Where's the rebuttal? Where does Bernie address her questions.<br /><br />Instead she has been skewered by Rachel Maddow and the rest of the clowns controlling the media. Just like she was for daring to challenge Obama's experience. The next thing you knew, Bill and Hillary were racists.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25745862902923055102016-01-15T12:11:57.857-05:002016-01-15T12:11:57.857-05:00Clinton's testimony:
"Q. Did you ever ha...Clinton's testimony:<br /><br />"Q. Did you ever have sexual relations with Gennifer Flowers?<br /><br />MR. BRISTOW: Your Honor, I want to object to that on the basis that there has not been proper predicate laid in that regard. The questioning up to this point in time indicates that the only mention of state employment came as testified to by the deponent. Your Honor has probably had access to the testimony of Gennifer Flowers, who, putting it like this, her allegations, even if believed, indicates that nothing in the nature of a sexual relationship was occurring or occurred after the time that she received any state employment, so the nexus that Your Honor has been requiring in, or the predicate, is just simply not there, and they've had ample opportunity to, you know, to develop that nexus or that predicate today, but they have not done so, and putting it like this, asking whether or not something occurred back in the early seventies or early eighties within the state employment is, we're talking about 1991, and Your Honor has previously made a ruling about the scope, '86 forward, it's just one of those areas that they should not be allowed to pursue.<br /><br />JUDGE WRIGHT: All right and I'm sure Mr. Bennett agrees with you; is that correct Mr.Bennett?<br /><br />MR. BENNETT: I'll join in, Your Honor.<br /><br />JUDGE WRIGHT: All right. The objection is overruled. The Plaintiff's counsel may ask consistent with the Court's prior rulings. Go ahead.<br /><br />MR. BENNETT: You may ask the question.<br /><br />A. The answer to your question, if sexual relations are defined as –<br /><br />MR. BENNETT: No, Mr. President<br /><br />THE WITNESS: What?<br /><br />MR. BENNETT: Go ahead.<br /><br />A. That's right, that was upheld by the court. The answer to your question, if the definition is section one there in the first piece of evidence you gave me, is yes.<br /><br />Q. On how many occasions?<br /><br />A. Once.<br /><br />Q. In what year?<br /><br />A. 1977.<br /><br />Q. Did you ever make sexual advances to Gennifer Flowers after that occasion which did not culminate in sexual relations?<br /><br />A. No.<br /><br />Q. Did she make sexual advances to you which did not culminate in sexual relations?<br /><br />A. Yes. Once.<br /><br />Q. When was that?<br /><br />A. I don't remember. Sometime after she came back, she invited me to come and see her."<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/clintondep031398.htm#flowersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8975041419412233902016-01-15T12:08:06.561-05:002016-01-15T12:08:06.561-05:00Blaming Clinton for going on the attack, for using...Blaming Clinton for going on the attack, for using Chelsea, for raising criticisms about a plan that will not ever be enacted -- that is what Sanders has been doing and NONE of that deals with the questions. Go read what is being said about Clinton on TPM, Daily Kos, HuffPost. There are no answers to her questions there. Just complaints that Clinton is ruining her campaign, going negative, attacking Bernie. Hints that she is desperate or unsportsmanlike or doing something wrong, when Bernie should be as accountable for his proposals and anyone else.<br /><br />You prove my point here by attacking the commenters instead of describing Bernie's answres, which you are apparently too lazy to look up and cite.not mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31303995293692015082016-01-15T12:04:21.897-05:002016-01-15T12:04:21.897-05:00Shorter version: No I don't. In Bob I trust.Shorter version: No I don't. In Bob I trust.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com