tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post7217793766434690514..comments2024-03-29T06:44:19.414-04:00Comments on the daily howler: FIRST ACCUSER IN: Counting the Washington Post's accusers!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1351421880980377542021-01-28T06:11:54.913-05:002021-01-28T06:11:54.913-05:00This article gives the light in which we can obser...This article gives the light in which we can observe the reality. This is very nice one and gives indepth information. Thanks for this nice article.<br /><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/1playergames66/" rel="nofollow">1 player games</a>Heena Cruzlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00506982617879941961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69829890305930954972017-12-03T22:59:37.461-05:002017-12-03T22:59:37.461-05:00"Why am I quoting again? In part to aggravate..."Why am I quoting again? In part to aggravate you."<br /><br />Like any normal troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60110609517581926372017-12-02T13:58:30.502-05:002017-12-02T13:58:30.502-05:00"Somerby is complaining because these accusat..."Somerby is complaining because these accusations are being discussed"<br /><br />No, not "because" are being discussed. It is the facts about the particular, peculiar way they are being discussed which is problematic.<br /><br />Your reading comprehension is poor, or your will to misrepresent is strong -- it hardly matters which...Nona Nymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10311052324455523247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19349124306396365632017-12-02T10:08:01.226-05:002017-12-02T10:08:01.226-05:00libs: children and or teenagers CAN pick where the...libs: children and or teenagers CAN pick where they are on the gender spectrum, take hormones and perhaps have gender reassignment surgery, abort their unwanted fetuses, become heavily sexualized pop stars and actresses, if 18 also become strippers and pornographic actresses, encouraged to become consumers of this heavily sexualized media, have the cognizance to take tens of thousands of dollars in tax payer guaranteed student loans per year, have access to free birth control, etc, etc.<br /><br />libs: teenagers CAN'T choose who they want to date, especially older conservative white men. <br /><br />Oh and guys in their 30s are supposed to repress every evolutionary instinct to reproduce with fertile women by only being interested in older women. OH, AND homosexuals and transvestites are totally not sexual deviants and should be celebrated in main stream media and continued exposure to young children, who remember can then decide if they are gender queer as well. But its NOT OK if their sexuality disposes them to want to date an older straight guy. Specifically a straight guy, dating an older woman lesbian or transvestite is actually encouraged, like Rachel Maddow has been doing happily for, I think, over a decade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65871211358348185052017-12-02T00:59:25.904-05:002017-12-02T00:59:25.904-05:00Why am I quoting again? In part to aggravate you....Why am I quoting again? In part to aggravate you.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11898305067657205912017-12-01T22:26:40.142-05:002017-12-01T22:26:40.142-05:00oh look it came from the same people who were also...oh look it came from the same people who were also for prohibition. in other words: victorian moralists. if the left wants to suddenly become social conservatives, feel free but kiss off with the condescension unless you want to go after perverts and sexual deviants on your own side, otherwise it is blatant tribalism and really rather dull and just as insane as birtherism or "obama is a muslim antichrist" boomers. <br /><br />to recap: the side who has been fervently pushing the limits of expressionable sexuality, publicly and privately, since at least the 60s are now suddenly upset over a 13 or 14 year difference in dating? And of legal age? no, they don't get to do that. its ridiculous. its no different than "he's a faggot, of course he can't be a boy scout, he's predisposed to molest the children!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9424469440917549172017-12-01T22:06:40.007-05:002017-12-01T22:06:40.007-05:00Take that back. 14-year olds, fertile or not, are ...Take that back. 14-year olds, fertile or not, are children. I was speaking cynically from the point of view of our long evolutionary history, and child-marriage has been a long and storied part of that. Check your Bible!<br /><br />I wonder: what is the true origin of age-of-consent laws? I briefly researched it, and ran across this:<br /><br /><a href="http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230" rel="nofollow">LINK</a><br /><br />What I didn’t glean from the article was whether this social evolution was secular or religious.<br /><br />I’m guessing secular. Cuz those religious folks, well, they can justify just about any goddamn thing with the Bible. No puzzle, I suppose, coming from the Bible. Bronze-Age primitive tribes, at least as far as the glorious Old Testament goes.<br /><br />Sorry for any confusion on my stance on this issue.<br /><br />Leroy<br /><br />Leroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02021120389394278239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44070921160547995132017-12-01T20:39:52.123-05:002017-12-01T20:39:52.123-05:00Children are by definition not fertile. Whatever, ...Children are by definition not fertile. Whatever, Moore is a psychological deviant in Moore ways than one.<br /><br />LeroyLeroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02021120389394278239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2786624522984367222017-12-01T13:24:08.704-05:002017-12-01T13:24:08.704-05:0010:23 PM,
Nice. That's why I never listen to ...10:23 PM,<br />Nice. That's why I never listen to the cries of "Lock her up!", from people who wave away Wall Street fraud. Those people have 0 room to speak about criminality/ the penal system, and everyone knows that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86046609797858975012017-12-01T10:23:33.501-05:002017-12-01T10:23:33.501-05:00lol yeah right after I drop by the folsom street f...lol yeah right after I drop by the folsom street fair with my 13 year old gender queer child, playboy and britney spears "baby hit me one more time" cd in hand. free condoms from the "abstinence education is stupid" center of progressive liberation in my back pocket<br /><br />the left has 0 room to speak on sexual degeneracy and youth and you know that.<br /><br />"troll harder" as they sayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8231818900331221912017-12-01T01:55:48.590-05:002017-12-01T01:55:48.590-05:00Yes, older men pining for fertile young women, who...Yes, older men pining for fertile young women, who happen to be children, is deviant and abnormal.<br /><br />Aren't you late for your NAMBLA meeting? Are the sister wives keeping your dinner warm for you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30826107268791728072017-12-01T01:53:24.767-05:002017-12-01T01:53:24.767-05:00Nona, Somerby is complaining because these accusat...Nona, Somerby is complaining because these accusations are being discussed in the press so soon after being made. To hold them and not discuss them in public would amount to suppression of them. It would also deny those women access to the press in favor of more powerful men who are being accused. They have the right to make their claims in public, just as the men have the right to provide their side of things to the press.<br /><br />Somerby seems to think no such accusations should be aired until proven, but he doesn't think any proof is possible, so it amounts to not airing them at all, which is suppression in my opinion. But hey, call me crazy if it makes you feel better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32868143834941013722017-12-01T01:49:17.924-05:002017-12-01T01:49:17.924-05:00He snuck around with the 14 year old because what ...He snuck around with the 14 year old because what parent in their right mind would allow a 14 year old to date a 32-year old man?<br /><br />The other women are not evidence of sneaking around but of his attraction to women far younger than his own age. They exemplify his interest in barely legal girls. It doesn't matter whether the moms thought he was a catch or not. The grown man's interest in teenage girls is the issue. <br /><br />CMike, why are you quoting again? It wastes space. Just summarize the point you want to make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73713022360898092792017-11-30T21:59:50.845-05:002017-11-30T21:59:50.845-05:00"...then Somerby goes on to suggest that thos..."...then Somerby goes on to suggest that those accusations be suppressed"<br /><br />We must thank you for signaling your insanity so early and so clearly, Anonymous of 11:12.Nona Nymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10311052324455523247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22890801435177940332017-11-30T21:50:24.645-05:002017-11-30T21:50:24.645-05:00Moore is a God-bothering, religious wackadoodle. ...Moore is a God-bothering, religious wackadoodle. That alone should disqualify him from being anywhere near the levers of governmental power.<br />The chasing of 14-year olds is just good-time fun for pointing out the hypocrisy of right-wing religious liars (remember, these same assholes needed feinting couches because Bill Clinton had a consensual sexual-affair with an adult).<br />I even had someone try to deny that Evangelical Christians were just in it for the bigotry, and they really, really have a problem with sexual perversions. Can you imagine? Maybe this person was used to talking to the stupid liberals Somerby is always going on about, but any rational thinking adult isn't going to fall for such blatant bullshit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70516540945169227942017-11-30T19:38:17.253-05:002017-11-30T19:38:17.253-05:00Unknown writes:
"Well Bob, you're wrong ...<i>Unknown writes:</i><br /><br />"Well Bob, you're wrong that Moore did not sneak around the 14 year old's mother's back..."<br /><br /><i>Try again- you've completely missed the point that Somerby was making. Here's what he wrote at the head of this thread:</i><br /><br />[QUOTE] <b>Central accusation:</b> When I [Leigh Corfman] was 14, Roy Moore met me behind my mother's back and committed a statutory sexual assault on my person.<br /><br /><b>Supporting accusation:</b> When I [Gloria Thacker Deason] was 19, Roy Moore dated me for several months, kissing me several times. My mother, who was thrilled, was hoping we'd get married.<br /><br />To what extent does that second accusation sound like supporting evidence? To what extent does it sound like an "accusation" at all?...<br /><br />For today, we'll only say this. That "supporting accusation" almost sounds like the type of witness statement a defense attorney might have presented in court had Moore been charged with a crime for his alleged treatment of Corfman. <br /><br />In the "accusations" by the two women Moore dated [Gloria Thacker Deason and Debbie Wesson Gibson], he snuck around behind nobody's back; he barely so much as kissed them. In what way would these accounts support the claim that he had molested a 14-year-old at some point this same year?...<br /><br />Each woman [Leigh Corfman and Beverly Nelson Young] has accused Moore of a serious crime. But in that original report, the supporting witnesses accused Moore of taking them out on dates and of kissing them several times as their mothers cheered him on.... [END QUOTE]<br /><br />CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20565917593255246892017-11-30T18:09:41.998-05:002017-11-30T18:09:41.998-05:00Evangelical Christianity is the religion of bigots...Evangelical Christianity is the religion of bigots who send their kids to private school due to the horrors of desegregation.<br />It has nothing to do with sexual mores.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25870877331381607862017-11-30T14:47:12.975-05:002017-11-30T14:47:12.975-05:00Somerby misrepresents the original Washington Post...Somerby misrepresents the original Washington Post article. The article did not say that the statements by the women (aside from Ms Corfman) were "accusations" of wrongdoing or that the women were "supporting witnesses." The reporters very clearly state that the other women allege no wrongdoing, but that they [the women] found the episodes "troubling as they got older" and that "they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore." (Are these the "aspects of their current judgment" that Somerby disagrees with? We must respect The Others, but call their judgment into question when the blogger disagrees with it?)<br /><br />And who was it that said "I believe the women" (emphasis on the plural)? None other than Mitch McConnell. <br /><br />I actually think a more interesting story here is the way right wing evangelicals, who tried like hell to bring down Clinton for his so-called sex crimes, are so willing to overlook very credible allegations of child molestation against one of their own. Talk about tribalism. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69058015544137785932017-11-30T13:33:55.909-05:002017-11-30T13:33:55.909-05:00Lol yes, older men pining for fertile young women....Lol yes, older men pining for fertile young women. So deviant and abnormal. <br /><br />Your line of reasoning is the same for the long history of distrusting perverts and sexual deviants like homosexuals and transvestites. Yet here we are today celebrating their bravery in the face of sexual and social norms. GTFO with your faux Victorian morality, tis ridiculous.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28121158963652041262017-11-30T12:30:19.949-05:002017-11-30T12:30:19.949-05:00ор, укравший ноутбук профессора шведского универси...ор, укравший ноутбук профессора шведского университета Umeå, вернул все его содержимое на флэшке. Когда профессор обнаружил пропажу ноутбука, он впал в состояние шока, ведь там были записи 10 лет работы. Однако вор оказался настолько порядочным, что некоторое время спустя вернул профессору флэшку, куда была скопирована вся информация.Жанна Когулькоnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54536418530002103042017-11-30T11:54:29.810-05:002017-11-30T11:54:29.810-05:00Well Bob, you're wrong that Moore did not snea...Well Bob, you're wrong that Moore did not sneak around the 14 year old's mother's back...Her story was that the arrangement Moore made was she would leave the house on a pretext and he would pick her up at a nearby intersection.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38415757306781967012017-11-30T11:26:05.267-05:002017-11-30T11:26:05.267-05:00"This helps explain why Donald J. Trump is no..."This helps explain why Donald J. Trump is now in a position from which he may soon end the world."<br /><br />Stop being a zombified moron, Bob. <br /><br />The psycho-witch banksters' asslicker is a far more likely world-ender than the Donald. <br /><br />Listen to Susan Sarandon, she understands...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81336128100394153842017-11-30T11:19:49.518-05:002017-11-30T11:19:49.518-05:00Perhaps men are inherently incapable of understand...Perhaps men are inherently incapable of understanding why being kissed and groped are harmful to women? Perhaps they believe at some level that such attentions should be welcomed, should be appreciated, because after all, what have the women lost?<br /><br />What have they lost, besides autonomy, control over their own bodies, the right to say yes or no, their hopes for job and promotion based on merit, the prospect of being taking seriously in their career, the ability to look their boss and others in the eye thereafter, the sense of not having a defiled body, trust in men in general, and the ability to relax and enjoy relations with other men (especially a spouse or boyfriend), and the ability to admire a coworker who has turned out to be a creep, the ability to encourage other women to work there, and the sense that they are interesting or desirable for their intellect and ability and not for their bodies. That's what men take from women when they engage in a little "innocent" groping.<br /><br />But hey, women have no sense of humor. They should lighten up and not ruin some guy's career just because he flirts a little in the workplace. They're just out for a payday they haven't earned. And who's to say these things even happened? Not Somerby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19575065467975859332017-11-30T11:12:55.676-05:002017-11-30T11:12:55.676-05:00This isn't about the speed with which the pres...This isn't about the speed with which the press published the accusations about Moore. Somerby is upset because they published them at all.<br /><br />He keeps saying that there is no reason to disbelieve the accusations against Moore, then he goes on to suggest that those accusations be suppressed. Why? Because some accusations in the past turned out to be mistaken. Somerby ignores the many more accusations in the past that have been correct. Accusations against grown men who have abducted young teens (because God told them they should be together), raped them, held them captive. More often than not, accusations made by these very young girls against grown men are correct, accurate, true. Somerby doesn't think that fact merits mention. He doesn't think the young girls in question are real people with their own rights, concerns, desire to prosecute the men who harmed them. He doesn't seem to be able to empathize with them at all -- or with any of the women harmed by men in these latest accusations now receiving public attention. He focuses only on the rights of the guys. <br /><br />Sad to be able to empathize with only half of the population -- the half with a penis. What would Malala say?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33335099802858169812017-11-30T11:06:04.130-05:002017-11-30T11:06:04.130-05:00Somerby apparently thinks that legal activities mi...Somerby apparently thinks that legal activities mitigate illegal ones, perhaps even disprove them.<br /><br />He thinks that because Moore "dated" some girls who were very young, but of age, it is no big deal that he is also accused of "dating" some who were too young, committing felonious sexual assault.<br /><br />Somerby doesn't appear to be able to understand that human behavior occurs within a context. He doesn't understand that there are norms for human behavior. Those norms describe what is statistically average or typical and what is deviant. People as a society also describe what they consider deviant and they make laws to reduce behavior that is considered not just odd but also harmful to others.<br /><br />When Moore "dates" too young girls, he is doing something that is harmful TO THEM. He is breaking the law. But when he "dates" young girls, he is also showing a pattern of behavior that is part of his own sexual life, part of who he was back then. He reveals himself through those actions.<br /><br />That's why most people consider his barely legal activities to be part of a pattern that supports the accusations against him. As Somerby notes, there is no reason not to believe those accusing him of the felonies. There is also no reason not to believe he attempted to date barely legal girls. Those latter activities provide the context for the accusations against him. That means they ARE support for the accusations because behavior doesn't occur in a vacuum, even if such activities are not admissible in court. Public opinion is not a court of law and it does not operate based on strictly legal principles. People form their judgments based on all of the evidence available with respect to the credibility of accusations.<br /><br />Somerby wants us to be legalistic. Why? It goes against the way people function in life. It makes it seem like Somerby has some special reason for defending Moore, either because he is a conservative with sympathy for that party's goals, or because he himself knows what it is like to prefer very young girls and believes that there but for fortune might he go. Neither is a very appealing explanation for why Somerby has leaned over backwards to urge that the press not hold Moore accountable for past behavior that is bad for children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com