tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post7359296379516559585..comments2024-03-29T06:44:19.414-04:00Comments on the daily howler: The craziness of the undiscussed Moore!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9067397686989287132017-12-08T10:00:51.589-05:002017-12-08T10:00:51.589-05:00Samantha Bee showed a taped segment of Bette Midle...Samantha Bee showed a taped segment of Bette Midler describing what Geraldo Rivera and his producer did to her -- back in the 1990s. And no one said or did anything as a result of that interview. And Geraldo is still on TV tweeting garbage defending the abusers in today's scandals. <br /><br />Bette Midler was a big star during that time period and no one listened and no one said or did anything at all about her claims. I hope to God things have changed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11708192555975024372017-12-08T02:13:47.344-05:002017-12-08T02:13:47.344-05:00Troll harder, CMike.Troll harder, CMike.BRightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16824892738765461492017-12-08T02:04:24.875-05:002017-12-08T02:04:24.875-05:00An "Anonymous" is upset others won't...An "Anonymous" is upset others won't take responsibility for the point they're making- ha, ha, ha.<br /><br />That said, I would post a screen shot for this comment if I could. The <i>Washington Post</i> article that broke the allegations against Moore was published on November 9.<br /><br />According to <i>Real Clear Politics'</i> compilation of six or seven different polls, Moore's lead in the senate race was at 6 percentage points on November 8 but Jones closed to within 2 percentage points on November 11. From November 16 to November 26 Jones was shown to be leading in the polls. As of December 4 the RCP compilation of polls is showing Moore ahead by 2.3 percentage points <a href="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/senate/al/alabama_senate_special_election_moore_vs_jones-6271.html" rel="nofollow">[LINK]</a>.<br /><br />What does Somerby think were the prospects for Jones to narrow Moore's lead in the polls through a national discussion of the policy issues at stake without the revelations? CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63906165534297623322017-12-07T17:59:21.711-05:002017-12-07T17:59:21.711-05:00Mao, your pretty much all Goebelsian.Mao, your pretty much all Goebelsian.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57284673621433685892017-12-07T17:53:56.445-05:002017-12-07T17:53:56.445-05:00Say whatever else you want about Trump, but boy do...Say whatever else you want about Trump, but boy does he ever love the Establishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4136028439426761352017-12-07T17:35:12.621-05:002017-12-07T17:35:12.621-05:00They're certainly "political zombies"...They're certainly "political zombies", if they are really euphemisms like "tax cut for the rich", rather than the "Trump ball-licking and rimjob of the Establishment Elites"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11988914329164752012017-12-07T17:33:31.490-05:002017-12-07T17:33:31.490-05:00This is Somerby’s way of evading responsibility. L...This is Somerby’s way of evading responsibility. Like CMike, he quotes others to make his point. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73619070884057957722017-12-07T17:29:25.271-05:002017-12-07T17:29:25.271-05:00Do women have no agency?
No. That’s the point. Th...Do women have no agency?<br /><br />No. That’s the point. They get fired or branded “difficult” and their careers are damaged, and no one believes them. Or they accuse them of having no sense of humor if they don’t want to watch CK mas*urbate or kiss Franken for no good reason, or be groped by some skeezy old man. Men who fismiss this illustrate the problem by showing an absence of empathy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33182493777037951032017-12-07T16:57:34.833-05:002017-12-07T16:57:34.833-05:00Too little, too late, Bob.
"The Alabama cand...Too little, too late, Bob.<br /><br />"The Alabama candidate's Big Crazy has gone unexplored. "...<br />"none of these questions have been discussed in the past month."<br /><br />A whole month? What an eternity!<br />And, Oh, Somerby with his categorical "nevers" and "nones".<br />This is just one quick counterexample:<br />Chris Hayes, discussing Moore with Joyce Vance on 11/29:<br /> <br />HAYES: I want to play a little bit of Roy Moore was heckled tonight at an<br />event he did. This is someone who was twice kicked off the Supreme Court<br />in Alabama, twice by fellow Republicans. Today, some news that he co-<br />authored a textbook which in 2011 says women shouldn`t run for office.<br />What would it mean for the state of Alabama to have this man, who is<br />already a polarizing and controversial figure, in that state be<br />representing the state in the United States Senate?"<br /><br />Elsewhere in the interview:<br />VANCE: You know, Republicans down here are simultaneously embarrassed by<br />Moore`s conduct, but very concerned about holding the majority in the<br />United States Senate. And it`s safe to say that in Alabama there are one-<br />issue voters on both sides of the abortion issue. Republicans tend to feel<br />very strongly about the abortion issue, but by the same token, many<br />Republicans, particularly younger ones, have backed away from supporting<br />him. So we have young Republican groups in Birmingham and other parts of<br />the state that have withdrawn their support, whether that means they`ll<br />stay home or vote for Doug Jones remains to be seen.<br />[end transcript]<br /><br />And doesn't it seem odd that Somerby denounces the media for not discussing Moore's beliefs during this sex scandal during the last month, while providing an example (Cooper) of someone doing just that?<br /><br />Somerby again:<br /><br />"How about it? Does Roy Moore still believe that the United States is the focus of evil in the world? Because of our exciting panic, the public has been kept from hearing that Roy Moore actually said that."<br /><br />If the public has been "kept from hearing about it", why do you suppose I or Somerby or just about everyone else has heard about it? That was the focus of the discussion about Moore during the primary with Strange. The latest revelations about criminal sexual misconduct are just an additional topic. <br />And believe me, Moore's followers know EXACTLY where he stands, and love him BECAUSE he takes those stands.<br /><br />I found dozens of examples of discussions about Moore's beliefs from the past several months. Where was Somerby during that time? Did he praise the coverage? Did he mention it? <br /><br />If Somerby finds Moore's beliefs objectionable, why does he constantly denounce liberals for stating their objections publicly? If a liberal finds Moore's views on religion, women, gays, and minorities objectionable, Somerby has mostly lectured us on how that might upset the Others. That we must "respect" or "endure" or some other Quisling-like phrases. <br /><br />But I actually can't tell if Somerby finds Moore objectionable or not. Somerby has a way of suggesting but never clearly stating his actual views. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88630043874618003102017-12-07T16:27:59.697-05:002017-12-07T16:27:59.697-05:00Misdeeds?
Like Al Franken taking a gag photo on a...Misdeeds?<br /><br />Like Al Franken taking a gag photo on a USO trip that parodies USO hijinks?<br /><br />Are we down to that level of ridiculousness and stupidity?<br /><br />Apparently so. And do women have no agency in these matters aside from bringing it up years later?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9455755257765076532017-12-07T15:56:59.885-05:002017-12-07T15:56:59.885-05:00"The GOP tax proposal has been moving through..."The GOP tax proposal has been moving through the Congress while we hysterics focus on Moore's forty-year-old dating behavior, which is often described in blatantly distorted ways"<br /><br />C'mon Bob. Do you really prefer the mind-numbing "tax cut for the rich" zombie-outrage to hilarious zombie-puritan sanctimony? Snap out of it, man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36531149702483615422017-12-07T15:44:53.695-05:002017-12-07T15:44:53.695-05:00What is there to say about the blatant craziness o...What is there to say about the blatant craziness of Moore's career except that it is blatantly crazy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26691050941997015632017-12-07T15:17:22.962-05:002017-12-07T15:17:22.962-05:00There is no controversy among liberals about the a...There is no controversy among liberals about the awfulness of Moore's political views and past actions. There is also no controversy about the assaults he is accused of committing against two teens. There IS controversy about whether Moore's propensity to "date" girls much younger than himself is a moral failing. Look at the arguments here for an example. It is unsurprising that much of the discussion should surround the gray areas, not the ones where there is agreement.<br /><br />It also matters that the Republicans are unwilling to call Moore out on anything, that every principle is sacrificed for a senate majority. But we saw that with Trump, so Moore is nothing new.<br /><br />There is a saying "Be the change you want to see in the world." I am hoping this is a watershed moment because I want to see a world in which women are taken seriously and not treated as sex objects, for the enjoyment of men without regard to their own wishes. I want to live in a world where the powerful are punished for their misdeeds along with the less powerful.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Somerby pretends this is about sex. Clue for the clueless -- it isn't. It is about power. Trump revealed that only power matters and everyone else has apparently agreed with him. We are witnessing power struggles and the flexing of muscles by people who didn't realize they had them. And it has nothing to do with sex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com