tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post7421551293367164496..comments2024-03-29T04:57:22.173-04:00Comments on the daily howler: INAUGURATE THIS: David Brooks doesn’t believe all those things!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55191367488124697532013-01-24T09:22:33.949-05:002013-01-24T09:22:33.949-05:00You forgot to mention what the lie was...but it...You forgot to mention what the lie was...but it's fun to emote!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56547171913335810502013-01-24T09:06:57.495-05:002013-01-24T09:06:57.495-05:00"He doesn't state a view on whether Rice ..."He doesn't state a view on whether Rice knew it was incorrect when she dished it out."<br /><br />No, and as recently as Hillary Clinton's testimony on Benghazi, there is still no evidence whatsoever that *anyone* "knew it was incorrect" at the time.<br /><br />You are a liar.<br /><br />Contrary to your statements and implications, this blog never claimed Rice was correct about any factual matter, in any event.<br /><br />The facts of the press coverage, however, are very clear: <br /><br />The press, far from merely being "inaccurate," grossly distorted Rice's statements, to suit a GOP frame. This blog, virtually alone, called out those distortions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16467691618916863872013-01-23T21:23:28.038-05:002013-01-23T21:23:28.038-05:00Free thinker, The trend line shows that temperatur...Free thinker, The trend line shows that temperature has increased over the whole period, of course. And it shows there's been no increase for the last 15 years. <br /><br />Maybe I wasn't clear. I agree that temperature has been rising. And, I think man's activity likely played a role. However, IMHO the global warming models aren't that reliable, because they can't explain the leveling off during the last decade and a half. And, all of the models in the 1990's predicted considerably higher temperatures than we're seeing today.<br /><br />Note also that things look less frightening today than they did 15 years ago. From 1979 to 1998, temperture increased 0.8 degrees. At that rate, temperature would increase by over 4 degrees in 100 years. <br /><br />However, from 1979 to 2012, temperature increased by 0.45 degrees. At that rate, in 100 years, temperature would rise by less than a degree and a half. A rise of 1.5 degrees isn't catastrophic. David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90604494457195461192013-01-23T20:44:22.398-05:002013-01-23T20:44:22.398-05:00We know she said misleading, as in inaccurate-and-...We know she said misleading, as in inaccurate-and-not-true things, because Rice admitted that herself in her own press release. <br /><br />Of course, try to avert your eyes from the BBC's paraphrase:<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20519384<br /><br />But Bob is well past that...he continues to insist that the press should have more accurately conveyed Rice's incorrect information. He doesn't state a view on whether Rice knew it was incorrect when she dished it out...only that it was a travesty that her wrong facts weren't better disseminated. <br /><br />And you're with him on that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28367681119639302362013-01-23T20:01:00.757-05:002013-01-23T20:01:00.757-05:00It is an entitlement, precisely because people are...It is an entitlement, precisely because people are entitled to the benefit they paid all their lives for.Free Thinkrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04930864062172375494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20866637885802471792013-01-23T20:00:10.539-05:002013-01-23T20:00:10.539-05:00Draw a fucking trend-line, DinC. Global warming i...Draw a fucking trend-line, DinC. Global warming is measured over decades, not months. Draw a trend-line on that graph, and tell me what it says about the global temperature.Free Thinkrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04930864062172375494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89128185373020475192013-01-23T18:57:36.596-05:002013-01-23T18:57:36.596-05:00Social Security is not an "entitlement" ...Social Security is not an "entitlement" it is an earned and paid for benefit. It is stop gap insurance to protect against starvation and homelessness. The republican plan for subsistence is cat food and a large cardboard box. Americans are either in this together or they are not and if they are not it's pitchforks and torches. gcwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07990785263482839943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-13467852034453329392013-01-23T18:44:49.601-05:002013-01-23T18:44:49.601-05:00The republican leadership treats issues like produ...The republican leadership treats issues like products. It tries them out and if a plurality of the people or even a vocal minority take the bait the leaders turn on a full PR and marketing campaign. The issue is not as important to them as its ability to work people up for the party. The republicans collect the data and determine what a measured response to that data should be and then sail with it as long as the product has legs. If the desired effect is not forthcoming they drop the issue as quickly as they picked it up. Conservatives are not concerned about issues as issues, they are seen as tools in their arsenal to achieve and hold power.for the ultimate goal of controlling the economy. gcwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07990785263482839943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29384130640402574122013-01-23T17:47:55.577-05:002013-01-23T17:47:55.577-05:00Thank you, David in Cal, for proving my point that...Thank you, David in Cal, for proving my point that some people will swallow whole everything they are told because they want to, regardless of the mountain of empirical evidence that should tell them clearly that they no nothing what they are talking about.<br /><br />Global warming science is complicated. I find again find great comfort in the fact that an overwhelming majority of people with working brains (as opposed to our friend, David) are smart enough to look at the data and realize that the globe is warming at an alarming rate with alarming, predictable consequences for humankind.<br /><br />Even if they disagree on the level of human activity responsible for it, they don't doubt what is staring them in the face.<br /><br />And unlike our friend David, they might just be open to further education, rather than propaganda.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1796260463485094242013-01-23T16:51:51.346-05:002013-01-23T16:51:51.346-05:00From Wikipedia:
Satellite datasets show that over...From Wikipedia:<br /><br />Satellite datasets show that over the past four decades the troposphere has warmed and the stratosphere has cooled. Both of these trends are consistent with the influence of increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.<br /><br />What urban legend says but D in C will ignore because D in C is a troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18592057446528288872013-01-23T16:43:12.405-05:002013-01-23T16:43:12.405-05:00You ask the people who spend their lives studying ...You ask the people who spend their lives studying this kind of data. If you're an educated person, you sure as hell don't start trying to make your own interpretations of a slice of data when you have no qualifications to make any useful statements about it.urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64632931902309235062013-01-23T16:38:27.719-05:002013-01-23T16:38:27.719-05:00TDH has had some excellent points to make on how l...TDH has had some excellent points to make on how liberals have done a poor job of dispelling a lot of right-wing the myths (like the failing schools tripe or the President feeling the need to recite the utterly silly and childish notion that government has to "tighten its belt just like a family"), but for perspective let's not forget that Democratic candidates have won five out of the last six Presidential elections. <br /><br />But a lot of work still needs to be done. An overwhelming majority of Americans, of all parties, do not want Social Security benefits to be touched. When they were informed what it actually was, a similar majority wanted a public option to be part of ACA. It's a crime we don't have a Democratic House.urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44489524563094042852013-01-23T16:27:40.166-05:002013-01-23T16:27:40.166-05:00What is hilarious about people like David suggesti...What is hilarious about people like David suggesting we should cut back on retirement programs in order to "invest in the future" is that if we do so, it's going to be the younger people who would have their turn to benefit from these programs in the future who will really get screwed. Even the Republicans are not going to touch current or near seniors. We actually are looking out for our kids and our grandkids -- wanting them to be assured of at least as much retirement security as we have had -- more than ourselvesurban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14865040751859154232013-01-23T16:20:39.625-05:002013-01-23T16:20:39.625-05:00It has nothing to do with repeating verbatim, but ...It has nothing to do with repeating verbatim, but making false rather than accurate paraphrases. You and all the others here still beating this dead horse -- press misconduct is not the dead horse, but the idea that she actually said anything misleading is -- have never been willing to consider -- probably never bothered to look at -- the entire record of her statements that day. TDH has been 100% correct on this one because he did bother.urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89655892792379529432013-01-23T15:43:33.866-05:002013-01-23T15:43:33.866-05:00That's pretty interesting...but so is the fact...That's pretty interesting...but so is the fact that the website's author has not only seen through the global warming hoax, but also through that crazy Darwin's "theory" of evolution. <br /><br />D. in C.,<br />Why do intelligent design and climate change denial have to come as a package?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77253939545204755982013-01-23T14:54:54.581-05:002013-01-23T14:54:54.581-05:00Anonymous wrote: many of their hired guns are even...Anonymous wrote: <i>many of their hired guns are even posing the notion that the globe stopped warming somewhere in the late 1990s and is indeed COOLING -- against all available evidence.</i><br /><br />Anon, I suggest you personally look at the evidence. <a href="http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Dec_2012_v5.51.png" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a chart of the UAH Satellite-based temperature of the global lower atmosphere. You can see with your own eyes that from 1998 forward temperature has been pretty level. <br /><br />Now, a lull in temperature doesn't prove that warming won't start up again. However, it raises a question: Why did warming pretty much stop during a 15 year period, even though CO2 and greenhouse gases continued to rise rapidly? At this point, the climate models do not have a conclusive explanation.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70481609836850771502013-01-23T14:31:40.997-05:002013-01-23T14:31:40.997-05:00"howlerworld where only some perfect neo-Plat..."howlerworld where only some perfect neo-Platonic discussion is allowed."<br /><br />And actually, Obama even took Bob's advice once -- in the first debate.<br /><br />Remember how well that convinced all those people?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43969555341087732792013-01-23T14:29:17.704-05:002013-01-23T14:29:17.704-05:00No, the disinfo campaign won't even acknowledg...No, the disinfo campaign won't even acknowledge that the globe is even warming. If you were really as up on this subject as you think you are, you would find many of their hired guns are even posing the notion that the globe stopped warming somewhere in the late 1990s and is indeed COOLING -- against all available evidence.<br /><br />Do not weep that 23 percent of the people buy that. And go wringing your hands over those "other" liberals who have failed to convince them. It would be like teaching algebra to my cat. Not that my cat is necessarily stupid. It's just that he is totally disinterested.<br /><br />And that's what the root problem is here. Not some Strother Martin "liberal" "failure to communicate."<br /><br />It's just that some people are always easily led by slick propaganda, and check out Nazi Germany to find out how easy that is.<br /><br />We can all rejoice that in America and on this issue, the easily led amount to such a small minority.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73164972809802390652013-01-23T14:26:58.567-05:002013-01-23T14:26:58.567-05:00Don't bother checking back. Bob's not goin...Don't bother checking back. Bob's not going to say anything new at this point. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21321138950929748062013-01-23T14:23:43.234-05:002013-01-23T14:23:43.234-05:00You cite 3 "big lies" in the post above-...You cite 3 "big lies" in the post above--on lower taxes, social security ....and Susan Rice. You seem to think that Susan Rice/Benghazi coverage is one of the 3 biggest press failures of the past 30 years. But you do not hold her out as a beacon of truth? Puhleeeze. <br /><br />TDH wanted the press to act as stenographers to Rice and not to paraphrase her varied constructions on the events that didn't actually happen. Pathetic. <br /><br />I said you would not acknowledge Rice's misrepresentations and you haven't. I did not back down from the claim that you continue to hold Rice out as a beacon of truth. <br /><br />Why don't you just write that the press failed to repeat verbatim Rice's inaccurate claims and leave it at that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31124682541221155222013-01-23T13:49:08.574-05:002013-01-23T13:49:08.574-05:00So you've surrendered: The Daily Howler, despi...So you've surrendered: The Daily Howler, despite your bullshit, *never* held out "Susan Rice as a beacon of truth."<br /><br />Now, you're admitting you wanted, instead of coverage of how the press extensively misled about what Rice said in a particular instance, coverage that misled the public quite broadly for a period a weeks -- instead of that, you wanted the Howler to cover something else.<br /><br />You're a liar -- we've established that. And you're also a bore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48796539858889840602013-01-23T13:32:38.529-05:002013-01-23T13:32:38.529-05:00Bob starts this out by asking "Is David Brook...Bob starts this out by asking "Is David Brooks we the people" ? The short answer is no, he is not. Ok, literally speaking he is, but then again, so is the Unabomber. Brooks's opinion on the issues outlined in Obama's speech are by and large NOT the majority opinion. In fact, in most polls on most of these issues the Democrats are much closer to "we the people" than the GOP. Why should Obama using the bully pulpit to nudge people who are already sympathetic to his position into a stronger acceptance be a problem ? This is called politics everywhere except howlerworld where only some perfect neo-Platonic discussion is allowed. But I'll check in tomorrow to see Bob's explanation for how liberals have failed Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4724662343481996502013-01-23T13:31:25.973-05:002013-01-23T13:31:25.973-05:00Well, you'd think wrong. There's no reason...Well, you'd think wrong. There's no reason to not acknowledge the human role in climate change if you already agree that the globe is indeed warming: unless you buy the disinfo campaign.Matt in the Crownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02083162679471045642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70871033540617018982013-01-23T13:17:41.786-05:002013-01-23T13:17:41.786-05:00Of course, TDH will never acknowledge Rice misrepr...Of course, TDH will never acknowledge Rice misrepresentations. TDH will go from silent, to looking forward, not back...<br /> <br />Just like Secretary Clinton today, "what difference does it make?" <br /><br />Yes, that's right, let's not bicker and argue over who killed who...<br /><br />http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=grail+bicker+and+argue+over+who&view=detail&mid=86C42D3A44D030FAAB2986C42D3A44D030FAAB29&first=0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44589099914115092752013-01-23T13:08:28.519-05:002013-01-23T13:08:28.519-05:00So TDH has acknowledged that Rice made misrepresen...So TDH has acknowledged that Rice made misrepresentations? When?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com