tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post7715689945695452750..comments2024-03-28T21:37:47.659-04:00Comments on the daily howler: BULLROAR OVER BENGHAZI: Still going!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-13568530907620702902013-05-21T05:20:54.556-04:002013-05-21T05:20:54.556-04:00Thank you very much. I agreee with your article, t...Thank you very much. I agreee with your article, this really helped me. I appreciate your help. Thanks a lot. Good website.<br /><a href="http://www.peartreegameranch.com/" rel="nofollow">texas hunting</a>Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14492678157847086497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86805896739034313142013-05-19T02:28:24.887-04:002013-05-19T02:28:24.887-04:00The media seem hell-bent on manipulating us toward...The media seem hell-bent on manipulating us toward conclusions for which they do not know the consequence. It is arrogant and delusional to believe one knows enough about every event to publicly pontificate on the consensus perspective.Many modern journalists believe that they write for their editors rather than their audience and apparently do not mind being lazy or dishonest. It's based on the idea that since so few people will notice, they do not matter..gcwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07990785263482839943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45635882514724250022013-05-19T02:16:32.541-04:002013-05-19T02:16:32.541-04:00To the critics- name someone who's done a bett...To the critics- name someone who's done a better job reporting on this fake "scandal", who's gotten it more correct than TDH?<br /><br />And if all you've got is "it doesn't matter", then don't bother.MaxFrostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62518359185419717512013-05-18T21:12:16.935-04:002013-05-18T21:12:16.935-04:00Evidently, I should have put "all corners&quo...Evidently, I should have put "all corners" in caps.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33620075441987896702013-05-18T19:35:18.678-04:002013-05-18T19:35:18.678-04:00Because you can't counter Fox or the GOP if yo...Because you can't counter Fox or the GOP if your team isn't up to the task. If MSNBC isn't up to a real challenge of all the BS narratives, then they aren't representing our liberal interests very well. We, as liberals, lose.<br /><br />This is the same point TDH makes all the time. Fox is fox. We can simultaneously worry about them as a GOP propaganda outlet and worry about how MSNBC does a terrible job representing liberal interests. It's not either/or. Both are real problems. But you seem to feel that we shouldn't worry about the weak links on our team. That seems like a bad strategy to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70968291709058271282013-05-18T18:51:37.332-04:002013-05-18T18:51:37.332-04:00AP whines from their armchairs that the DOJ has je...AP whines from their armchairs that the DOJ has jeopardized their "methods and sources".<br /><br />What about the "methods and sources" THEY have jeopardized with their leaks?<br /><br />These sources and methods are human beings in harm's way.<br /><br />"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. "<br />George Orwell <br /><br /> "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"<br />gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42168173451337648722013-05-18T17:29:49.576-04:002013-05-18T17:29:49.576-04:00You are completely confused. This has nothing to d...You are completely confused. This has nothing to do with tribal defenses, but it is about recognizing how fixed the press is today. The right-wing sets the agenda: Fox and Drudge pick up on some idea for attacking whatever liberal that emerges from Republican Oppo Reasearch, and if they can give it legs the corporate mainstream media take that as the Scandal of the Week. The tribals here are the Republicans. If you don't see that you are clueless. If you continue claiming Rice did something wrong -- and shifting your argument every time one claim is torn apart -- then you are dishonest. urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53872161285333032602013-05-18T16:28:44.465-04:002013-05-18T16:28:44.465-04:00So if one guy shoots another guy, you going to bla...So if one guy shoots another guy, you going to blame the reporters for not stopping the guy with the gun?<br /><br />In plain and simple language:<br /><br />THE BULLROAR ABOUT BENGHAZI IS NOT COMING FROM MSNBC!!!!<br /><br />Good Lordy, why is that so hard for Somerby and his tribe to understand, and why don't they go after the real source?<br /><br />Because he is playing you for fools, folks. If Fox News were to pay somebody to discredit MSNBC, they couldn't find anybody doing a better job than Somerby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47853797271070707932013-05-18T15:42:55.951-04:002013-05-18T15:42:55.951-04:00CeceliaMc, if you want to see melodrama, check out...CeceliaMc, if you want to see melodrama, check out Fox News and the right wing websites, and statements by numerous Republican pols. This manufactured, phony "scandal" is characterized as a shocking impeachable offense over and over ad infinitum ad nauseum.<br /><br />AC/MA Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63233748669807984982013-05-18T13:40:00.673-04:002013-05-18T13:40:00.673-04:00Well, I think Rice has gotten a bad rap, but the o...Well, I think Rice has gotten a bad rap, but the only way I'd characterize her as having been crucified is if the State Department had been as cautious about the claim that it was a protest of over the video, as they were over implicating Ansar al-Sharia with no real investigation.<br /><br />Like I said, they pretty well rode the hell out of the video bus. CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85329435946913426922013-05-18T13:30:01.669-04:002013-05-18T13:30:01.669-04:00Its funny listening to the media howl and scream a...Its funny listening to the media howl and scream about their 'first amendment' rights being violated over the AP affair, considering the absolute miserable job they have done of actually reporting the facts and protecting the public interests. What we get now is a steady diet of story telling a hyperbole. I would not agree that all of MSNBC's stars get it wrong, reverend AL, Martin Brashir often get it right including this fake Benghazi scandal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73182420049224521572013-05-18T13:23:34.725-04:002013-05-18T13:23:34.725-04:00This is getting inanely melodramatic from all corn...This is getting inanely melodramatic from all corners. <br /><br />Goddamn.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14741517752492626032013-05-18T12:28:35.181-04:002013-05-18T12:28:35.181-04:00What I'm saying, cacambo, is that not everyone...What I'm saying, cacambo, is that not everyone shares Bob's strange priorities. Among the villainies of the modern corporate press corps, the treatment of Susan Rice is hardly the worst or most consequential.<br /><br />That Bob routinely ignores the worst and most consequential, in favor of party spates like this one, and urges "liberals" to take up his obsessions or be damned as knaves in these pages, is what leads this reader to see his approach as tribal.<br /><br />Bob himself provides the definitive example -- years of Al Gore vindication, and not a single post that actually examined Gore's policies during the 1990s or his conduct since. <br /><br />Gore may be a martyr, but that doesn't make him any less a scoundrel. To a pedant, of course, it doesn't matter that the martyr is a scoundrel. All he's interested in is riding his hobby-horse, and seeking out any opportunity to do it.<br /><br />So sure, ride that horse. But don't expect the rest of world to saddle up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43395564651922111572013-05-18T12:09:27.878-04:002013-05-18T12:09:27.878-04:00As far as I can tell "Bob's ideal scenari...As far as I can tell "Bob's ideal scenario" and in fact, I'm guessing he wouldn't consider it ideal, but rather a baseline for even calling oneself a journalist, is that our highly paid media stars would actually have a marginal grasp of the facts, read (or if that's too much work have their staffs read) the actual documents in question, avoid cherry picking quotations and call out those who do. <br /><br />So Anon 10:31, are you saying that because Ambassador Rice doesn't meet your vaunted foreign policy standards all bets are off? Who cares if her words are twisted and distorted in the media? I don't think it's "tribal" to ask that people's words are not taken out of context and dangled as bait for rabid partisans. I would argue that it's a basic requirement for having the kind of public sphere that democracy requires--and this benefits us all, no matter our political leanings. Are you too twisted in knots to realize this?cacambonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7328967381205785872013-05-18T10:34:37.935-04:002013-05-18T10:34:37.935-04:00If memory serves, the liberals from MSNBC did wors...If memory serves, the liberals from MSNBC did worse than "run off and hide" last fall. They did not just fail to defend Susan Rice, they actually piled on her - accepting and advancing some of the major talking points against her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54466589866536243412013-05-18T10:31:45.077-04:002013-05-18T10:31:45.077-04:00So sayeth TDH:
"... since Rice’s crucifixion...So sayeth TDH:<br /><br />"... since Rice’s crucifixion began. First, they all ran off and hid in the woods, refusing to speak on Rice’s behalf."<br /><br />"Crucifixion?" "Reusing to speak on Rice's behalf?" It's the duty of MSNBC to come to Susan Rice's defense, in tribal fashion, whatever they may think of her?<br /><br />Attributing strong feelings about Ms. Rice to MSNBC is probably giving the network hosts too much credit -- if they wanted to condemn Rice for a murderous foreign policy and lying about it, they'd have to do the same for Obama, of which there's been no apparent inclination.<br /><br />But consider the tribal implications of Bob. According to TDH, "liberals" must now jump to the defense of the Democratic party and its functionaries. Or they're not real liberals!<br /><br />However, since the Democratic party (and the Obama administration) isn't actually liberal, what reason do liberals have defending it, beyond the usual "lesser evil" argument? You can hold your nose when you vote Democratic, but how argument for execrable pols and political appointees, like Rice, with one hand over your nose?<br /><br />However, put that stink aside. Let's consider Bob's ideal scenario. The "liberal" media rushes to Ms. Rice's defense and vindicates her, vanquishing all evils. Then Ms. Rice returns to TV and lies about far more important matters, as she's done for years. These are, however, bipartisan lies, so they're acceptable to everyone, including the TDH.<br /><br />And this is a triumph for liberals and truthful reporting?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com