tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post7738277692084737608..comments2024-03-28T18:30:05.058-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Race-based math books, Florida style!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3777683366718417272023-11-08T09:12:16.759-05:002023-11-08T09:12:16.759-05:00hermes bag
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Anonymous at 9:26 is alleging Republic...Dear Rubes,<br />Anonymous at 9:26 is alleging Republicans are grifters. <br />We need funding NOW to fight 9:26's lies. Please send what you can today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79911598043510226152022-04-23T11:38:38.574-04:002022-04-23T11:38:38.574-04:00Have nothing to add, say nothing.Have nothing to add, say nothing.FDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06987676214157655750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72961047278638287962022-04-23T11:36:18.289-04:002022-04-23T11:36:18.289-04:00Andric,
Do you know for a fact that Mao doesn'...Andric,<br />Do you know for a fact that Mao doesn't understand the first thing about economics?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72899694104643420362022-04-23T10:43:57.603-04:002022-04-23T10:43:57.603-04:00Mao is an example of a member of the conservative ...Mao is an example of a member of the conservative tribe. Andrichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05112122756372293096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30386441871331804382022-04-23T09:32:20.695-04:002022-04-23T09:32:20.695-04:00Yes, they endorsed him and then proceeded to cripp...Yes, they endorsed him and then proceeded to cripple his presidency by hounding him for years over Whitewater and kissed Ken Starr's ass all the way. And then they launched their decades long war on Hillary Clinton (because I think she insulted Sally Quinn, wife to Ben Bradlee and grand dame of the Washinton DC social circuit) culminating in the ridiculous email insane hyperbolic and hysterical nonstop coverage which destroyed her bid for the presidency and handing us the horror show abomination Trump presidency. With friends like that you don't need enemies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43848625316582650322022-04-23T09:31:29.136-04:002022-04-23T09:31:29.136-04:00You do know that Bill and Hillary Clinton are not ...You do know that Bill and Hillary Clinton are not running for any office? <br /><br />Given that Republicans have asserted that Bill Clinton raped women, that Hillary was a huge lesbian, the they murdered people, why wouldn't some Republican somewhere say that they heard Bill Clinton call people white trash?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68389014374413338672022-04-23T09:26:22.374-04:002022-04-23T09:26:22.374-04:00Meanwhile, there is this about those math books:
...Meanwhile, there is this about those math books:<br /><br />"There is, however, also evidence that this whole thing might in fact just be another cheap Republican grift of the sort that the DeSantis hivemind keeps managing to "accidentally" create. The Tallahassee Democrat reports that the curious outcome of the DeSantis administration rejecting the long list of textbooks it rejected is that there is only one remaining publisher whose books are approved for Florida’s regular K-5 math programs. Just one!<br /><br />That publisher? Accelerate Learning, based in Houston, Texas, a company that was acquired by Carlyle Group CEO Glenn Youngkin—who resigned a few years later to run for the Virginia governorship; once ensconced there, one of his very first moves was to, yup, ban objectionable textbooks from Virginia classrooms.<br /><br />That's a pretty odd coincidence in quite the string of weird Republican coincidences, especially considering that Accelerate Learning does not, the The Tallahassee Democrat reports, appear to shy away from the sort of terribly divisive "diversity" language that has Florida Republicans going absolutely batshit in every other venue."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68591869817473885042022-04-23T08:10:58.175-04:002022-04-23T08:10:58.175-04:00**
5:04 said that Bill Clinton was called white t...**<br /><br />5:04 said that Bill Clinton was called white trash by the elite beltway gatekeepers for anyone following along, which is true. A lot of people did call him that. But he won the endorsement of the Washington Post, literal beltway gatekeepers. Also endorsed by the New York Times. <br /><br />Similarly, Andrew Sullivan threw his weight behind Obama, actually seeing past his race to respect him him for the moderate Republican he governed as. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51880666546881169222022-04-23T05:04:59.074-04:002022-04-23T05:04:59.074-04:00Interesting how my reply to 6:13 has been disappea...Interesting how my reply to 6:13 has been disappeared.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87326127082966727982022-04-23T01:19:24.209-04:002022-04-23T01:19:24.209-04:00This is important enough, because it will be used ...This is important enough, because it will be used as a weapon against liberals, that people like Drum and Somerby should put some effort into finding out the truth about this so-called example. Skepticism should be in order, considering the source (Republicans). But drum and Somerby are quick to latch onto things like this. And if it turns out to be false, you will never hear a retraction or a single mention of it again from Somerby. mhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937133532381705347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17125153535969817522022-04-22T23:11:16.298-04:002022-04-22T23:11:16.298-04:00I'd bet Tucker Carlson kicks his dog.I'd bet Tucker Carlson kicks his dog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58011457689488878322022-04-22T23:01:25.988-04:002022-04-22T23:01:25.988-04:00"Tribal Group A can see how stupid and venal ..."Tribal Group A can see how stupid and venal Tribal Group B is. Tribal Group B can spot the same grotesque shortcomings among members of Tribal Group A."<br /><br />Somerby repeats his both-siderist false equivalency here. <br /><br />Calling someone a "slobbering racist" (assuming that has ever happened) is not equivalent to being a slobbering racist. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14267777982710799282022-04-22T22:57:56.094-04:002022-04-22T22:57:56.094-04:00Gender is not categorical. It occurs on a continuu...Gender is not categorical. It occurs on a continuum. <br /><br />There are some cultures where, if you ask people how many colors there are, they say two: light and dark. They see the wide variety of colors that their eyes perceive, but their society only needs two categories and only uses two words. Gender is like that. People come in a wide variety but our society uses only two names: male and female. Lately, some people have started talking about the variety and have begun to use some additional words (just like those societies that name red, blue, green, purple did) to talk about gender. Forcing a complex phenomenon into two words makes it hard to think and talk about gender. When a society attaches privileges to those two words, it makes it hard to change the categories. That is where the resistance is coming from -- those who like the roles and status that go with the designations of male and female. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16546637687279565572022-04-22T22:49:21.743-04:002022-04-22T22:49:21.743-04:00Conservatives appear to be able to compartmentaliz...Conservatives appear to be able to compartmentalize in ways that liberals don't. For example, they can vote for Trump despite his mistreatment of women, simply because he seems like a good businessman who will be good for the economy. Liberals don't tend to tolerate bad behavior simply because someone makes good movies or tells funny jokes. Conservatives don't care if a judge is corrupt, as long as he is their judge (decides in their favor when the time comes).<br /><br />I think this is a real difference between the right and the left and I tend to think of it as integrity. To the extent that Somerby can overlook bad behavior by Carlson and hear anything reasonable come from him, he is compartmentalizing and he is forfeiting his own integrity, in my opinion. It is akin to saying that Hitler wasn't a bad guy because he loved his dog, so we shouldn't be so critical of him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76434542996672760712022-04-22T22:41:05.234-04:002022-04-22T22:41:05.234-04:00"Tucker Carlson often starts his nightly show..."Tucker Carlson often starts his nightly show with a reasonably reasonable point."<br /><br />"Tribal Group A will make a reasonably reasonable point—but uh-oh! As it makes this reasonably reasonable point, Tribal Group A engages in wild name-calling and substantial overstatement."<br /><br />Then Somerby presents the example given by Kevin Drum of the use of the IAT test results in a math book. Kevin Drum may consider the IAT controversial, but he is not a social scientist and not a social psychologist (the people who use that measure in their research). He has no training in cognitive processing and no idea how implicit measures are regarded in cognitive science. In other words, Drum doesn't know what he is talking about.<br /><br />There are a lot of different versions of the IAT, only some involving race. When implicit racial attitudes are measured, it doesn't mean that anyone is being called a slobbering racist. That is Somerby putting words into other people's mouths. The textbook didn't say that, and neither has anyone on the left, among those who think racism is a burden on society to be eliminated if possible.<br /><br />It is a good idea to show high school kids what social science research looks like, how statistics are used, and how results may be relevant to their own lives. Why then is it bad to include this example? Kevin Drum only says that controversy should be avoided, but isn't there also controversy over smog and any number of other results that might have been presented?<br /><br />Obviously, the controversy Drum and Somerby think should be avoided involves race. But why should all mention of racial attitudes be eliminated because of white students? It is of great interest to black kids. Should math books be purged of anything black kids care about because white kids may not?<br /><br />Somerby and Drum show that they are willing to tolerate racism in order to avoid controversy. Perhaps Somerby thinks it is rude to admit that there are stone cold racists in the South and elsewhere because such people may be embarrassed. But how will peer pressure work to eliminate flaws in our society, if the wrongs are sanitized to the extent that everyone must pretend they don't exist? <br /><br />I get it that racist don't want to change their views. But must all non-racists tolerate their misbehavior in the name of harmony? I think those on the left are not being unreasonable when we object to condoning racism. I do not believe that the attitudes of racists are "reasonable" at all. They are harmful to others and thus should not be tolerated, much less condoned by colluding to hide the truth from students. <br /><br />Somerby never says why he thinks anything Tucker says is reasonable. Throwing away social science research because you don't like the results is not what any reasonable person should do. And Somerby's exaggeration of a desire to eliminate racism into name-calling others slobbering racists is an example of the kind of exaggeration Somerby wishes to pin on liberals, but that isn't what is going on when liberals complain about excising discussions of racism from textbooks. It is certainly what happens when Somerby decides to chide people here because we don't agree that we should all tiptoe around the racists in the room, because they don't like it when you confront them with their own behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28771686550830132622022-04-22T19:05:28.653-04:002022-04-22T19:05:28.653-04:00Somerby and Drum got suckered, that example is not...Somerby and Drum got suckered, that example is not from a textbook.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57023921809164060072022-04-22T18:13:06.949-04:002022-04-22T18:13:06.949-04:00Yeah she wanted to say white trash like her husban...Yeah she wanted to say white trash like her husband didAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6200663207471034932022-04-22T18:03:40.323-04:002022-04-22T18:03:40.323-04:00Okay, we believe you. And you also know the number...Okay, we believe you. And you also know the number of genders. And you don't exactly induce tribal solidarity in other resident-dembots. <br /><br />So, perhaps you're one of The Others, pretending to be dembot for some reason? Who knows. In any case, you say you're a dembot, so who are we to doubt?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18135653115457812042022-04-22T17:21:01.666-04:002022-04-22T17:21:01.666-04:00I've worked as a laborer in factories and othe...I've worked as a laborer in factories and other blue collar jobs. What have you ever done, beside spend all day on the internet stewing about dembots? I did become a lawyer, beats "honest labor" and the world does need lawyers (though there probably are too many of them).AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86288015719819436152022-04-22T17:00:45.236-04:002022-04-22T17:00:45.236-04:00...as for you not knowing what honest labor is, we......as for you not knowing what honest labor is, we are not surprised... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54316081183502048572022-04-22T16:55:00.085-04:002022-04-22T16:55:00.085-04:00"You gloss over how the "others' inc..."You gloss over how the "others' include a lot of really crazy people also"<br /><br />Gloss over? What's your point, dear dembot? <br /><br />Dear Bob belongs to a tribe. Everyone else belongs to The Others, pluralistic aggregation of ordinary people of all walks of life. That's a given. That's what Bob's World is. <br /><br />And then dear Bob gets confused and starts bumbling about As and Bs. Take it up with dear Bob, dear dembot. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87389433600989848202022-04-22T16:30:40.798-04:002022-04-22T16:30:40.798-04:00The only thing Hillary Clinton was wrong about was...The only thing Hillary Clinton was wrong about was the percentage of republicans who are deplorable. Obviously it is closer to 90%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com