tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post7908614532220352022..comments2024-03-18T22:14:30.426-04:00Comments on the daily howler: THE WAY WE ARE: Romney rescues the drowning dog!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91608602195339764412013-07-10T09:50:51.006-04:002013-07-10T09:50:51.006-04:00Usually I am not regular to read article on blogs,...Usually I am not regular to read article on blogs, but I would like to say that this write-up very pressured me to check out and do it! Your writing taste has been surprised me. Thank you, quite nice article.<br /><br />jason<br /><a href="http://rmpproperty.com/2013/03/ultimate-rich-dad-poor-dad-property-guide/" rel="nofollow">property hotspots</a>jason harishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01018759510123080455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46546797730769651922012-05-21T17:11:06.936-04:002012-05-21T17:11:06.936-04:00As a JFK admirer, more previously than currently, ...As a JFK admirer, more previously than currently, I was bothered most by the fact it was not an affair, but a "servicing". This was made clear by the fact the young woman acknowledged JFK never once kissed her...and the request that she give sex to others in the inner circle, even Ted Kennedy. It was a sordid affair to say the least, though difficult for the girl to see because of her link to "greatness". But no one could think quite the same about JFK and his brothers given this account.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26889529232237383012012-05-21T10:40:59.819-04:002012-05-21T10:40:59.819-04:00Shorter Idiots:
Yes, It *is* a very good idea to ...Shorter Idiots:<br /><br />Yes, It *is* a very good idea to focus on incidents of youth to understand adults.<br /><br />Incidents of adulthood may not be relevant, especially if they're not equivalent to the other boy's bad acts -- Hey, since he didn't *rape* her, how could it say anything bad about the man?<br /><br />Besides, that guy's dead now. The past doesn't matter.<br /><br />Well, only the past that I care about does, I mean. Romney's boyhood.<br /><br />And yes, fine, the boyhood of any "liberal" "leftie" or "progressive" is also extremely relevant.<br /><br />Because I am an idiot, I affirm this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44017331735725838372012-05-21T10:33:12.777-04:002012-05-21T10:33:12.777-04:00Shorter Somerby Haters:
Nobody really likes JFK ...Shorter Somerby Haters: <br /><br />Nobody really likes JFK anyway, so what are you going on about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5829526867736673252012-05-21T08:01:23.094-04:002012-05-21T08:01:23.094-04:00Really? What I was told by Somerby is that you can...Really? What I was told by Somerby is that you can't "venerate" JFK if you think what Mitt did was wrong.<br /><br />It's the old Rovian tactic that goes like this: When your guy is revealed to do something wrong, never admit that your guy did wrong. Instead, reach for one of their guys who did something wrong, focus all attention on that, and claim that what your guy did wasn't nearly as bad.<br /><br />And in this case, Somerby reaches for a guy whose been dead nearly 49 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89632182984542540482012-05-21T07:51:22.356-04:002012-05-21T07:51:22.356-04:00Good grief, flip. The guy had two years and 10 mon...Good grief, flip. The guy had two years and 10 months in office. What was he supposed to accomplish?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25203404500179012812012-05-20T21:33:20.705-04:002012-05-20T21:33:20.705-04:00Sorry Anon 9:05 (or is it you Bob?), but the origi...Sorry Anon 9:05 (or is it you Bob?), but the original point you contested compared only hair cutting and beard cutting assaults, both of which involved teenagers. So your age "point" was just a diversion.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83838264606316900342012-05-20T21:22:07.201-04:002012-05-20T21:22:07.201-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72022018656539438252012-05-20T21:05:01.492-04:002012-05-20T21:05:01.492-04:00"Your point (perhaps unknowingly) suggests no..."Your point (perhaps unknowingly) suggests non-equivalence of victims' injuries depending on the age of the assailant"<br /><br />Not really. The victims' injuries are equally horrible regardless of the age of the assailant. My point suggests that juveniles and adults perpetrators are not equally responsible for their actions. This is widely recognized and not all that controversial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78005569748616745902012-05-20T19:38:24.314-04:002012-05-20T19:38:24.314-04:00Au contraire. Because of Somerby's startling r...Au contraire. Because of Somerby's startling revelation of a story about a guy whose been dead for 49 years that first made the rounds four months ago, I promise I won't vote for JFK this November.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16322625347206547652012-05-20T19:36:50.804-04:002012-05-20T19:36:50.804-04:00Unlike most of us, Romney will be the GOP nominee ...Unlike most of us, Romney will be the GOP nominee for president.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83930785441369017692012-05-20T19:06:24.620-04:002012-05-20T19:06:24.620-04:00IMHO Kennedy is one of the most overhyped, overrat...IMHO Kennedy is one of the most overhyped, overrated presidents there ever has been, who ran to the right of Nixon on the Cold War, and if not for Boomer youth he'd be about as fondly remembered as George H.W. Bush.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63323127007410924422012-05-20T16:35:58.880-04:002012-05-20T16:35:58.880-04:00Your perceptions are flawed...The damage to a vict...Your perceptions are flawed...The damage to a victim are the same whether the assailant is old or young. The writer suggested equivalence of beards and "head" hair. Your point (perhaps unknowingly) suggests non-equivalence of victims' injuries depending on the age of the assailant <br /><br />And your own "sense of proportion" stinks when you pretend the writer said Romney "should have been punished with years of imprisonment"...He simply pointed out that the justice system does take seriously teens who attack people.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25174262575231521762012-05-20T15:41:49.258-04:002012-05-20T15:41:49.258-04:00You're right, Anon@1:49PM, Somerby is drawing ...You're right, Anon@1:49PM, Somerby is drawing a parallel between the two incidents. In particular, they're both examples of private behavior that should have little bearing our evaluation of their fitness to govern as president.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58618361192044453312012-05-20T15:34:23.115-04:002012-05-20T15:34:23.115-04:00If Mr. Somerby had more direct contact with actua...If Mr. Somerby had more direct contact with actual liberals, as opposed to the imaginary ones he cultivates in mind, he'd know that not all of us revere JFK, any more than every liberal reveres Clinton, Gore or Obama. As such, there may be far less eagerness to defend the personal conduct of these figures than Mr. Somerby supposes.<br /><br />Note that some of us look at actual policy; we may not worship Al Gore, for example, because we took the trouble to see what he actually did as a politician. However, the examination of the press' theatrical coverage of national campaigns is the absolute limit of inquiry at The Daily Howler, so it's understood that lack of reverence for JFK among liberals will a foreign notion here.<br /><br />While the usefulness of the comparison escapes me, it might be helpful to view the two incidents from the perspective of current law. Kennedy would likely be facing a multi-million dollar harassment suit, but without a charge of rape or claimed physical coercion, the matter would likely be settled out of court as a civil action. <br /><br />Romney, by contrast, would almost certainly be facing criminal assault charges, and since his co-conspirators have conceded that the attack was motivated by hatred of homosexuals, the hate crimes law would assuredly come into play. The ring leader's denial of such bias, even assuming he finally conceded the incident actually took place, would be dismissed out of hand, as pro forma and self-serving.<br /><br />Again, am not sure what relevance the comparison has, but the law does not treat the two as equivalent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38481452052368512972012-05-20T15:26:48.513-04:002012-05-20T15:26:48.513-04:00Wow. That's the opposite of what he's sayi...Wow. That's the opposite of what he's saying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79229898790328488052012-05-20T15:17:28.046-04:002012-05-20T15:17:28.046-04:00I believe Bob's attack on "liberals"...I believe Bob's attack on "liberals" is limited to those journalists who make fast and loose with the facts. All he is asking is that journalists get the story right and leave out the psychobabble.<br /><br />"Is there any significant difference from what Romney did?"<br /><br />Yes, Romney was still a minor. His attack on that kid, awful as it was, doesn't mean he should have been punished with years of imprisonment. We need a sense of proportion here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45626786699024744052012-05-20T15:04:28.581-04:002012-05-20T15:04:28.581-04:00I always thought JFK handed the Cuban Missile Cris...I always thought JFK handed the Cuban Missile Crisis very well. Guess not, given that he had an affair with a 19-year-old. At least, that's what Somerby says.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26541571992150955902012-05-20T13:49:09.658-04:002012-05-20T13:49:09.658-04:00"Despite his conduct at age 45, Kennedy was o..."Despite his conduct at age 45, Kennedy was one of our greatest presidents. But because of his conduct at age 18, Romney’s unfit for the office!"<br /><br />Those are your guru's own words. Now before you completely cede to him whatever remains of your ability to think for yourself, please at least read what he has written before you continue to make yourself look like a fool defending him.<br /><br />Somberby CLEARLY is drawing a parallel between the two incidents and proclaiming as hypocrites any one who would "revere" JFK while proclaiming Romney "unfit for office."<br /><br />But I then again, I understand your need to deny what is there before you. It is a very slow process to emerge from a cult, because there is a flood of pent-up and long-denied truth that will hit you all at once, causing your head to explode.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74272318815237524112012-05-20T13:35:42.424-04:002012-05-20T13:35:42.424-04:00Did you read the post upon which you comment? Not ...Did you read the post upon which you comment? Not to mention Somerby's utterly ignoring Romney's "can't remember" in his rush to paint the incident of which the Washington Post wrote as high school hijinx and ancient, irrelevant history? As well as his parsing that story for the one weakest point -- motive -- then attacking the entire piece as poorly sourced, only grudging admitting much later that, yeah, Horowitz did have a lot of evidence to back up the story?<br /><br />And now we get the "Mitt the Hero" story.<br /><br />If Romney paid Somerby do defend him, Somerby couldn't have done a better job of defending the indefensible. I sure thought I was reading romney.com.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46791023103344778912012-05-20T13:10:25.188-04:002012-05-20T13:10:25.188-04:00Shorter Comments:
It's not Somerby who insist...Shorter Comments:<br /><br />It's not Somerby who insists that the JKF and Romney incidents must be equivalent, it's his readers.<br /><br />If the incidents are not *exactly* equivalent, we refuse to let them tell us anything about press/tribe behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48820740602023094872012-05-20T13:02:30.145-04:002012-05-20T13:02:30.145-04:00tl, dr: Somerby hates the Irish!tl, dr: Somerby hates the Irish!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17867138699525997782012-05-20T13:01:33.554-04:002012-05-20T13:01:33.554-04:00Somerby has spent almost exactly "as much tim...Somerby has spent almost exactly "as much time on the good and bad of Rachel Maddow as on the good and bad of Mitt Romney."<br /><br />Which is to say, he's said almost nothing good about Romney, and has very occasionally praised Maddow.<br /><br />Not good enough for the whiners here. Cry on, babies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45692141915624997822012-05-20T12:26:22.065-04:002012-05-20T12:26:22.065-04:00Like most of usLike most of usAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7191405512792841012012-05-20T11:52:48.105-04:002012-05-20T11:52:48.105-04:00Really Bob, as revolting as JFK's conduct was,...Really Bob, as revolting as JFK's conduct was, it was consensual with the girl, and nothing like leading a pack of thugs to chase down to assault and humiliate an innocent kid.<br /><br />Are you not aware that brutal conduct as young as early teens has put youthful citizens away for decades? Are you aware that young men in Ohio right now are facing years in prison for attacking Amish men and cutting their beards? Is there any significant difference from what Romney did? <br /><br />Your comparison of the two incidents just shows how perverse your obsession with attacking liberals has become. It is unfortunate to see your attempt to carve out a "news niche" that is so rarely relevant.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.com