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Mike Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20158677592848578482013-07-18T09:12:45.052-04:002013-07-18T09:12:45.052-04:00"And of course, the only way to get to the &q..."And of course, the only way to get to the "only correct answer", would be to charge the guy who used the deadly force."<br /><br />Well, 5:16 Anon, that's a pretty difficult comment to comprehend sensibly.<br /><br />But let's try anyway.<br /><br />I'm going to have to assume that you do understand that "charging the guy who used the deadly force" is just exactly what happened. (Dear lord, I hope I'm not wrong in that assumption.)<br /><br />Are you suggesting Zimmerman should never have been charged? There may be a valid argument that there was never sufficient cause to charge Zimmerman, but no one has really given that argument yet. So if you think he shouldn't have been charged, you should probably say why not.<br /><br />On the other hand, if this is supposed to be some back-handed sarcasm on your part, it's going have to be forever recorded in the Annals of Spectacular Failure, Irrelevant Internet Comments Category.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19903889674883551662013-07-18T09:02:28.421-04:002013-07-18T09:02:28.421-04:00Hi, Mike L.
May I say, even though your screed is...Hi, Mike L.<br /><br />May I say, even though your screed is hard to read, not in paragraph form, and gets a BIT LOUD, there is not a single thing wrong with it logically. <br /><br />It explains and rebuts much of the idiocy that has so far transpired in these comment threads.<br /><br />Thank you sincerely, Mike L. for being a voice of reason.<br /><br />Sadly however, reason has no place here. Please return often and help change that. We could use it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68257209676961405962013-07-18T04:55:07.677-04:002013-07-18T04:55:07.677-04:00there is a massive difference in most people's...there is a massive difference in most people's minds between "he was told to stay in his vehicle but didn't" and what actually happened, which was that he was already outside of his vehicle and following Trayvon on foot when the non-emergency police dispatcher asked, 'are you following him?' 'yes' 'ok, we don't need you to do that,' at which point Z says 'ok' and shortly after which point you can clearly tell by the change in background noise and by the change in Z's speech and breathing that he stops his pursuit. (if you don't accept that interpretation, at the very least you have no way of knowing whether he disobeyed the dispatcher's suggestion.) so...in the inaccurate scenario, which thanks to the media (criticizing which is the whole point of this site!) is now firmly planted in millions of outraged people's minds, Z is given an ORDER by the police, he DISOBEYS, and BECAUSE HE DISOBEYS the police's ORDER he is now outside of the vehicle - a state of affairs which makes the whole tragedy possible, whereas it would not have even been a possibility if he had just followed the police's (fictional) command to stay in the vehicle. this is one of the biggest things people appear to be outraged about - if he just would have listened to the police, Trayvon would still be alive; therefore, he's even more to blame because 1. he defied the cops' command, and 2. that command was to stay in the vehicle, which would have prevented the tragedy altogether. now, compare that to what ACTUALLY happened: Z's being outside of the vehicle was NOT THE RESULT OF HIS DISOBEYING A COMMAND BY THE DISPATCHER. he was already outside of the vehicle, and when the dispatcher suggests that he not follow Trayvon, Z apparently OBEYS...A MERE SUGGESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU GET IT? DO YOU SEE WHY SOMERBY MIGHT WANT TO CORRECT THIS INACCURACY? IN THE MADE-UP VERSION WHICH THE MEDIA PREFERS TO TELL, IT IS ZIMMERMAN'S WILLFUL, RECKLESS, VIGILANTE DEFIANCE OF THE POLICE'S COMMAND THAT RESULTS IN HIS BEING OUTSIDE THE VEHICLE, A CONDITION WHICH IN TURN ALLOWS THE WHOLE TRAGEDY TO UNFOLD. but the reality is much less "sexy" - and much less likely to provoke outrage: Z is already outside of the vehicle when the dispatcher gives his "command"; and the "command" is not about staying in the vehicle, but is instead a suggestion that Z not follow Trayvon on foot, and Z apparently listens to him.Mike Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9569551175019542392013-07-17T19:33:53.628-04:002013-07-17T19:33:53.628-04:00Let's see:
1. If you're in a fight in Flo...Let's see:<br /><br />1. If you're in a fight in Florida, no matter who started it, you have the right to defend yourself if you reasonably fear serious injury or death, which, presumably both parties might fear. If you started the fight, lethal force is not legally available to you unless you flee or surrender in good faith and your opponent won't stop hitting you.<br /><br />2. Generally speaking, it's difficult to put yourself in the wrong, e.g., provoking or starting a fight, by exercising your rights. Following someone in a public place is not illegal, so it's not provocation. Encountering someone or even confronting them in a public place isn't illegal either. Until, of course, you do something that a reasonable person would consider a threat.<br /><br />3. Prior arrests are inadmissible in court. Prior convictions pretty much as well. They're called prior bad acts, and they're generally not relevant to the current crime in question.<br /><br />4. Some states demand that your defense in a fight be commensurate with the violence of the fight. Not Florida.<br /><br />5. Hank B, I'm a grown man and I followed your teen-aged daughter in my car last night. I confronted her and told her to stop hooking in Park Slope where I live. This was on 7th Avenue near Ocean Parkway. What are you gonna do? Shoot me?<br /><br />6. Fercryanoutloud, it's "whaling on"; not "wailing on."<br />deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31688013031142549052013-07-17T19:25:02.134-04:002013-07-17T19:25:02.134-04:00This was addressed in the instructions to the jury...This was addressed in the instructions to the jury. The act of self-defense is limited to the beating itself, not any of the acts that preceded it, whatever they may have been.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14601031039429486092013-07-17T19:01:02.302-04:002013-07-17T19:01:02.302-04:00Matt in the Crown,
Skittles is, I'm told, a v...Matt in the Crown,<br /><br />Skittles is, I'm told, a very popular candy with children. They're equal parts high fructose corn syrup and variously numbered dyes, so I'm willing to believe it. This detail has the benefit of being true, while playing to the image of Martin as an innocent, candy-munching child. What kind of a narrative would it be if the innocent boy was carrying a brown-bagged 40 ounce bottle of Colt .45 malt liquor and a 12-pack of ribbed condoms of assorted colors?<br />deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86779628720006003792013-07-17T17:21:06.378-04:002013-07-17T17:21:06.378-04:00I'm still guffawing over the new notion that a...I'm still guffawing over the new notion that a gated community is now a "crime ravaged neighborhood."<br /><br />Talk about inventing your own facts.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25238380275573154152013-07-17T17:16:56.973-04:002013-07-17T17:16:56.973-04:00And of course, the only way to get to the "on...And of course, the only way to get to the "only correct answer", would be to charge the guy who used the deadly force.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16629691398112156752013-07-17T16:38:14.638-04:002013-07-17T16:38:14.638-04:00Sorry, your time is up, but thanks for playing.
&...Sorry, your time is up, but thanks for playing.<br /><br />"If someone is bashing your head on the sidewalk, how long do you have to wait until you can use deadly force to stop them, if it's available to you?"<br /><br />The only correct answer was: <br /><br />THAT'S FOR A JURY TO DECIDE!<br /><br />[Goddamn racist jurors]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37362136531789439312013-07-17T16:03:42.627-04:002013-07-17T16:03:42.627-04:00Anon@128: well-put, Bob.Anon@128: well-put, Bob.Scooter.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24112677246099390062013-07-17T16:01:10.053-04:002013-07-17T16:01:10.053-04:00It doesn't much matter if someone has "no...It doesn't much matter if someone has "no history" of violence, if they're bashing your head on the pavement At The Current Moment.<br /><br />History isn't real crucial then.<br /><br />6 out of 6 jurors agree. YMMV. Try not to end up dead.<br /><br />God bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6695641907579868242013-07-17T16:00:56.716-04:002013-07-17T16:00:56.716-04:00Another theory: repetitive posting is much easier ...Another theory: repetitive posting is much easier to cut-and-paste.matty coopernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47781651009316139932013-07-17T15:59:07.542-04:002013-07-17T15:59:07.542-04:00In answer to your hapless and hopelessly-loaded qu...In answer to your hapless and hopelessly-loaded question, it depends.actuarial a-holenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61163143247238216672013-07-17T15:57:32.772-04:002013-07-17T15:57:32.772-04:00"I volunteered for 3 years and never got one ..."I volunteered for 3 years and never got one of them killed"<br /><br />High standards, indeed.<br /><br />Kidding aside. If someone is bashing your head on the sidewalk, how long do you have to wait until you can use deadly force to stop them, if it's available to you?<br /><br />Kidding again, I know the answer (your answer).<br /><br />Your answer: If deadly force is available to you, you must never use it, you must simply hope you won't be beaten until you are dead or grievously injured.<br /><br />No, kidding again. I'm sure you have a serious answer: <br /><br />If someone is bashing your head on the sidewalk, how long do you have to wait until you can use deadly force to stop them, if it's available to you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57836251326240756512013-07-17T15:57:09.832-04:002013-07-17T15:57:09.832-04:00And your handlers shouldn't have let you anywh...And your handlers shouldn't have let you anywhere near a keyboard.Scooternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5420020486105681742013-07-17T15:48:48.523-04:002013-07-17T15:48:48.523-04:00"a natural, innocent mischaracterization"..."a natural, innocent mischaracterization": <br /><br />Yup, sure. <br /><br />And one that innocently tilts against one side, that innocently changes a statement into an order, and that innocently requires time-travel<br /><br />But other than that, I don't see what the problem is!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5251371320559355122013-07-17T15:16:23.228-04:002013-07-17T15:16:23.228-04:00AnonymousJuly 17, 2013 at 1:03 PM -- If you had ch...AnonymousJuly 17, 2013 at 1:03 PM -- If you had chased the high schooler into the street, do you think it would hvae been appropirate if he knocked you down, broke your nose and bashed your head repeatedly against the sidewalk? David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56705952231439051262013-07-17T15:13:07.402-04:002013-07-17T15:13:07.402-04:003) The concept of right or wrong is relative, thus...3) The concept of right or wrong is relative, thus making guilt and innocence an arbitrary and wholly subjective construct, capricious in its impartation.<br /><br />Oh, and the notion that certain venues such as news rooms and court rooms require language more precise than pillow talk? That's merely cultural prerogative too.<br /><br />Have I negated everything that doesn't suit my narrative yet?<br />CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80599786368406999172013-07-17T15:07:17.419-04:002013-07-17T15:07:17.419-04:00Why the obsession with skittles?
Can someone p...Why the obsession with skittles? <br /><br /><br />Can someone please explain that to me? It's irritating. Like skittles are supposed to make some difference either way.Matt in the Crownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02083162679471045642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87597744508960328962013-07-17T14:58:01.916-04:002013-07-17T14:58:01.916-04:00But Cecelia 2:19
Thats what it is, precisely.
(1...But Cecelia 2:19<br /><br />Thats what it is, precisely.<br /><br />(1) Other countries do not have jury trials<br /><br />(2) It is not a search for the truth, because the fifth amendment stops us from torturing Z to get the truth out of him - or for that matter even from forcing to testify.<br /><br />The trial gave the Martin family the comfort of having had their day in court. Thats the only non-arbitrary thing it accomplished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12514655772306061832013-07-17T14:54:20.890-04:002013-07-17T14:54:20.890-04:00Also Hank, it obviously was defensible, as it was ...Also Hank, it obviously was defensible, as it was defended, and that defense was successful. Marcusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11909808991244172862013-07-17T14:53:14.570-04:002013-07-17T14:53:14.570-04:00Hank - "Did Zim think so? Is that all it take...Hank - "Did Zim think so? Is that all it takes to kill someone?" I'm not an expert, but isn't the answer to that a resounding YES, no matter what state of the union you're in? Isn't that the definition of self defense? <br /><br />Jus Aski - I've never once stated that it's a fact that Zim was being beaten within an inch of his life. fail. Marcusnoreply@blogger.com