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Thanks for the firs...Anonymous on June 14 @ 4:30P,<br /><br />Thanks for the first link, which doesn’t talk about gaps at all but about universal pre-K<br /><br />Thanks for the second link. If you don’t understand TDH’s complaint about B&Q, all I can suggest is that you re-read the blog post. This time for comprehension.<br /><br />About that denial charge. Let’s try an analogy. Suppose you’re on a plane trip, and the left wing of the plane falls off. The pilot gets on the intercom to apologize for the fact that they’ve run out of the chicken entree. Wouldn’t you be inclined to think that the pilot was in denial about the real problem with your flight?<br /><br />TDH doesn’t mention DeBlasio’s <i>intent</i>, just the likely outcome of his policy. How long do you think it will be before a discrimination lawsuit is brought against NYC when they start admit lower-scoring black and Hispanic students over higher-scoring Asian-American students? For the venom incorporated into this kind of thing, all you have to do is check the comments of our resident moral and intellectual idiot, David in Cheng Ji.<br /><br />There’s research and discussion about these gaps? Really? In the press? In party platforms? On media talk shows? In education budgets in big cities? I’m doubtful, but I’m willing to be convinced by evidence.<br /><br />And, no. TDH doesn’t have to have a solution before he can voice a legitimate concern about a problem.<br /><br />And, no. TDH’s individual experience as a teacher wouldn’t necessarily inform him about a societal problem.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50759256160007485562018-06-14T20:27:41.370-04:002018-06-14T20:27:41.370-04:00Somerby thinks only liberals have agency. He does...Somerby thinks only liberals have agency. He doesn't think Conservatives do, but at least Bob's calling them out as reactionaries lately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83466633555777664122018-06-14T18:07:37.728-04:002018-06-14T18:07:37.728-04:00@deadrat:
This is ironic:
"That’s because lib...@deadrat:<br />This is ironic:<br />"That’s because liberals are the only ones who might actually care and might actually do something. Conservatives are mostly Trumpsters now, and for them the gaps are not a bug; they’re a feature."<br /><br />Are you claiming that this is what Somerby is saying? When has he ever said this, or implied it? He constantly admonishes liberals not to generalize about The Others, does he not? You are engaging in the exact type of superior tribal thinking that Somerby denounces. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58951545980215200212018-06-14T17:44:44.249-04:002018-06-14T17:44:44.249-04:00As far as you can tell: that about sums it up. As far as you can tell: that about sums it up. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64380878936195831582018-06-14T17:20:43.666-04:002018-06-14T17:20:43.666-04:00"And like it or not, liberals who support des..."And like it or not, liberals who support desegregation, like Somerby's hero Johnathan Kozol, believe that it could help improve the performance of black students."<br /><br />And why would anyone believe something like that, may I ask? As far as I can tell, the only possible explanation for this bizarre 'belief' would be the desire to give juveniles of an 'inferior race' the opportunity to observe their 'superior race' peers up close. Is that it? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22444324277102251452018-06-14T16:58:26.919-04:002018-06-14T16:58:26.919-04:00And like it or not, liberals who support desegrega...And like it or not, liberals who support desegregation, like Somerby's hero Johnathan Kozol, believe that it could help improve the performance of black students. Whether it does so is a matter for research. But Somerby, who views liberals as "repulsive", apparently wants to accuse them of inciting race wars. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21838667156110701892018-06-14T16:30:17.023-04:002018-06-14T16:30:17.023-04:00Your assertion, which echoes Somerby's, that &...Your assertion, which echoes Somerby's, that "no one talks about it" is an assertion, unproven. <br /><br />I posted a YouTube link the other day which showed DeBlasio himself talking about achievement gaps. Here it is, since you apparently didn't bother to check it out:<br />https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u7BQYCEPmWA<br /><br />Here's a quote from the article that Somerby labored over for a while, by BADGER AND QUEALY, highlighted in "GAPS IN CHICAGO: Not even close to "learning the most!" FRIDAY, JUNE 1, 2018<br />(http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2018/06/gaps-in-chicago-not-even-close-to.html?m=1):<br /><br />"Mr. Reardon’s data shows that every demographic group within the district is growing at rates well above the national average, with Hispanic students outpacing whites. But while growth is broadly distributed, the pattern in Chicago and across the country means that black-white achievement gaps aren’t narrowing much even in the districts with the strongest growth."<br /><br />Notice the phrase "achievement gaps."<br /><br />That's just two examples from topics in Somerby's more recent posts. <br /><br />But Somerby goes further than claiming liberals don't talk about gaps; he says they deny their existence. Where in the world does DeBlasio, for example, deny their existence? He acknowledges them in the video I linked to. Somerby accuses DeBlasio of starting a race war. Is that a sober or accurate view of DeBlasio's plan? How does Somerby presume to know DeBlasio's intent? His plan that Somerby discusses here is about offering admissions to a more diverse set of students, and is not intended to address achievement gaps. If it helps to narrow them in the end for those high school students, then that's great. But Somerby appropriates this new proposal of DeBlasio's to continue his attack on liberals. <br /><br />It also seems comical to suggest that because no one (supposedly) talks about achievement gaps, that therefore Somerby is off the hook for discussing them himself. There is research and discussion about these gaps and ideas to address them that he never bothers with. And did his experience as a teacher not provide him with some ideas along these lines? He had had 50 years to think about this shit, after all. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45549447488288204792018-06-14T15:46:52.423-04:002018-06-14T15:46:52.423-04:00The commentariat here are either trolls (like Mao ...The commentariat here are either trolls (like Mao in Cal), moral and intellectual idiots like David Cheng Ji, or far below the median in reading skills. I’ll try to explain, and I promise I’m typing as slowly as I can so you can follow.<br /><br /><i>Every post about achievement gaps always denounces liberals. He is obviously trying to connect the two things. <br /></i><br />That’s because liberals are the only ones who might actually care and might actually do something. Conservatives are mostly Trumpsters now, and for them the gaps are not a bug; they’re a feature.<br /><br /><i>s he saying: Because the gaps exist, this proves that liberals don't care? That is illogical. It does not show that. </i><br />No, it’s because liberals don’t consider the gaps when they talk about or make public policy. Is it not obvious that these gaps indicate huge barriers to an egalitarian society that liberals endorse? Caring is more than feeling; it’s also actions. If you won’t acknowledge a problem that’s clearly evident, how much can you say you care about finding a solution?<br /><br /><i>He accuses liberals of not caring, without providing any support for that assertion.</i><br />The support for the assertion is the blathering about public school education that liberal politicians do. If they won’t even talk about an easily known and serious problem, how much do they care about solutions to that problem?<br /><br /><i>Many examples of liberals caring about these kids can be provided.</i><br />Of course. Try not to be too literal minded. It makes you sound clueless. Of course there are individuals (liberal and not liberal) who care about these kids and act on that feeling. Plenty in the teaching profession, for example. But this is a societal issue, and one that must be solved in the political arena. We have collectives to solve such problems, including political parties, the electorate, and the press. They’re missing in action.<br /><br /><i>It is also illogical to assume that, just because someone cares about black and/or low-income kids and does excellent work educating them, that therefore the achievement gaps would narrow or disappear. </i><br />TDH doesn’t assume this. Where do you get that? You’re the only one talking about all those examples of caring individuals.<br /><br /><i>He doesn't even clearly state if he believes the gaps can be narrowed or erased, much less how. Perhaps he doesn't know the answers to these two questions.</i><br />Perhaps no one does. Do you think that could be because no one but TDH ever talks about it?<br /><br />Anonymous on June 14, 2018 @ 1:24P, you’re currently failing reading. Report for remedial work. deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47286411176381265512018-06-14T15:11:42.088-04:002018-06-14T15:11:42.088-04:00Mao and his new copy of "Mad-Libs for Shithea...Mao and his new copy of "Mad-Libs for Shitheads" strikes again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61730342890106972672018-06-14T13:45:19.107-04:002018-06-14T13:45:19.107-04:00Whatever. Meanwhile, Somerby continues to mind rea...Whatever. Meanwhile, Somerby continues to mind read and ascribe the worst possible motives to people. Something he spent the first ten years of his blog denouncing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31971627746561316012018-06-14T13:41:09.238-04:002018-06-14T13:41:09.238-04:00I don't have to be an accountant or a psychic ...I don't have to be an accountant or a psychic to question the political, and personal costs of these plans. <br /><br />Or to question their ability to truly diversify the orginial advanced schools or any new ones.<br /><br />I hope something works out the good of all of us. I do hope that DeBlasio and experts do manage to do that, Cecelianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20138816615821405782018-06-14T13:24:50.818-04:002018-06-14T13:24:50.818-04:00Somerby always links these two things:
1. Achievem...Somerby always links these two things:<br />1. Achievement gaps are "punishing", "troubling", etc<br />2. Liberals don't care about black kids, low-income kids, and liberals "throw those kids under the bus"<br /><br />Every post about achievement gaps always denounces liberals. He is obviously trying to connect the two things. <br /><br />Is he saying: Because the gaps exist, this proves that liberals don't care? That is illogical. It does not show that. <br /><br />He accuses liberals of not caring, without providing any support for that assertion. Many examples of liberals caring about these kids can be provided. <br /><br />It is also illogical to assume that, just because someone cares about black and/or low-income kids and does excellent work educating them, that therefore the achievement gaps would narrow or disappear. <br /><br />Somerby never goes beyond the two points I listed. He doesn't even clearly state if he believes the gaps can be narrowed or erased, much less how. Perhaps he doesn't know the answers to these two questions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9613817173000419792018-06-14T13:23:01.369-04:002018-06-14T13:23:01.369-04:00Tell us, oh Karnak the Magnificent, what are the c...Tell us, oh Karnak the Magnificent, what are the cost structures of both plans? Can you link to the numbers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64845715343077128822018-06-14T13:19:21.054-04:002018-06-14T13:19:21.054-04:00Both these plans are expensive in a variety of way...Both these plans are expensive in a variety of ways.<br /><br />Jewels in the Crown are beautiful and intelligence and ability need to be fostered because they are valuable and rare.<br /><br />They should be fostered in the midst of people in adverse situations, but not to the determent of them. Cecelianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14910025154178436132018-06-14T13:08:03.481-04:002018-06-14T13:08:03.481-04:00"our addled, repulsive tribe"
Does anyo..."our addled, repulsive tribe"<br /><br />Does anyone believe Somerby is a liberal anymore?<br /><br />Is this cogent criticism? <br /><br />Who is he trying to convince? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6258939071001223052018-06-14T13:04:20.405-04:002018-06-14T13:04:20.405-04:00What a surprise, Vodka-breath arrives just after h...What a surprise, Vodka-breath arrives just after his national soccer team completes their opening game in the World Cup. You must be very excited.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87620695621461359012018-06-14T13:04:16.275-04:002018-06-14T13:04:16.275-04:00Has it occurred to Somerby that opening new school...Has it occurred to Somerby that opening new schools is expensive, and de Blasio is trying to find a way to avoid the additional cost while still adding a benefit? We don't know the ins and outs of NewYork's school system, nor its funding. But it's worth a thought. <br /><br />Talk about Somerby mind-reading. He just knows that DeBlasio loves him some race wars. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25097319810176891042018-06-14T13:00:58.237-04:002018-06-14T13:00:58.237-04:00"our addled, repulsive tribe"
Indeed. N..."our addled, repulsive tribe"<br /><br />Indeed. NY schools aside, based on your addled, repulsive, mocking the Singapore summit post yesterday, I would characterize your 'tribe' as hate-spewing zombie death cult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54715427442105066622018-06-14T12:42:11.100-04:002018-06-14T12:42:11.100-04:00What a jumble of nonsense Somerby offers up. He sa...What a jumble of nonsense Somerby offers up. He says this:<br /><br />"Why does he [DeBlasio] seem to prefer to start the latest race war?<br /><br />Why would anyone make such a choice? To ponder this important question, you can just click here."<br /><br />The link takes you to an article in City and State NY by TOM ALLON, and RAFAEL ESPINAL, JR.<br /><br />They do not answer Somerby's questions. Indeed, they do not accuse DeBlasio of starting a new race war. They note that DeBlasio's plan is controversial, and suggest that we "end the zero-sum competition between ethnic groups and create more opportunities for everyone." They praise DeBlasio, whom Somerby yesterday called "appalling", and here accuses of starting a race war, by praising "de Blasio’s very wise plan to revive the Discovery Program in the current eight specialized schools." <br /><br />The authors suggest creating three, count 'em, three, new specialized high schools that would increase the number of admissions offers from 5,000 to 7,500 out of 30,000 students. And as an added benefit, it would "further improve the racial balance at the specialized schools." Apparently, they view improving the racial balance as a worthy goal. <br /><br />Now, what in the Sam Hill does any of this have to do with achievement gaps? Remember, the article is talking about eighth graders going into high school. The achievement gaps, the ones Somerby keeps showing us, are for eighth grade students. <br /><br />And by Somerby's logic, Allon and Espinal's article doesn't mention achievement gaps, therefore they must be denying their existence. Quick, someone find out if Allon and Espinal are liberals!<br /><br />Somerby appropriates an article like Allon's and Espinal's to support his point, when the article and the authors do no such thing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com