tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post8544241664064101275..comments2024-03-28T20:27:03.808-04:00Comments on the daily howler: OUR STORIES, OURSELVES: When he wrote his best-selling book...<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26653716908685132892022-03-07T16:19:27.829-05:002022-03-07T16:19:27.829-05:00AC/MA so Emmett Till's murderers got off becau...AC/MA so Emmett Till's murderers got off because a jury found them not guilty, so what, right?<br /><br />What you write is so profoundly stupid, it is hard to believe you are merely arguing in bad faith, perhaps you are and just poorly so. <br /><br />All your Wikipedia references are either false or misleading (most of them are empty links, one is to Mediaite, a hard core right wing nutcase publication). Even so, here is one of your Wikipedia references that actually works, The Miami Herald, this what they report in that reference link:<br /><br />"Good stopped short, however, of saying that he saw the person on top throwing punches or slamming the other man’s head on the sidewalk"<br /><br />Oof AC/MA you faceplant and self own like how most people drink coffee in the morning.<br /><br />The reason why The Miami Herald reported this fact (in the Wikipedia reference link!), is because it is a fact. The trial testimony in the earlier comment is taken directly from the trial, which was watched by a huge amount of Americans. Again, here is how the testimony went, this is directly from the trial (which is easily available via Google):<br /><br />Good: "I only saw downward movement."<br />Lawyer: "You can't say that is was actually blows inflicted on the person on the ground."<br />Good: "I could not see that."<br /><br />"I could not see that." See AC/MA you are a fraud. There was no testimony that Zimmerman was pummeled or punched. Good testified that all he saw was 2-3 sec to maybe 10 sec max, in bad lighting. Did not hear any punching, did not see any punching, only saw a single downward arm movement.<br /><br />You are a fraud AC/MA. You have shamed yourself here, once again. <br /><br />Furthermore, there was no one black on the jury.<br /><br />Furthermore, Zimmerman did not sustain injuries that would indicate a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.<br /><br />Furthermore, Zimmerman has made it plain after the trial, that he enjoyed killing Martin, and he is proud of it. Zimmerman is clearly guilty, it has always been clear. If Zimmerman's jury had been the jury in the Arbery case, those killers would have been found not guilty too, it is just happenstance of that particular jury that Zimmerman was found not guilty.<br /><br />Also, you claim not to not understand the significance of black people being killed by cops at 2.5 times the rate of white people, and how it would connect to right wingers. This is due to racism, which also happens to be fundamental to the modern right wing movement. "Blacks commit murders at a significantly higher rate than whites" is not a counter point to cops killing black people, nor a mark against black people. There is nothing inherent to being black that makes black people have a higher murder rate. They may not even have a higher murder rate, those numbers are of people arrested for murder, that does not mean they actually committed those murders. But it is possible that black people might suffer a higher rate of crime, because they suffer from a massive amount of oppression from white people in America. Again AC/MA, you have a dollar in your pocket, a black person has 15 cents.<br /><br />To summarize, you misstated the facts of the case, you knowingly did so, you are a liar, you have no integrity, you have no credibility here. Here is your pointy hat, there is the corner, you know what to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85763653790827872952022-03-07T14:38:23.024-05:002022-03-07T14:38:23.024-05:00Q. How many Right-wing accusations are really con...Q. How many Right-wing accusations are really confessions?<br /><br />A. All of them, Katie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20797410534097148812022-03-07T12:34:49.541-05:002022-03-07T12:34:49.541-05:00Can we give poor, innocent, O.J. Simpson his Heism...Can we give poor, innocent, O.J. Simpson his Heisman Trophy back, now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83047933105056590232022-03-07T12:21:57.463-05:002022-03-07T12:21:57.463-05:00anon 10:16 - what you say in the first 2 paragraph...anon 10:16 - what you say in the first 2 paragraphs has nothing to do with whether a witness testified that Martin was straddling Zimmerman and punching him. What exactly did I say that was a misstatement of the facts? You don't say. I think it's probably true that blacks are killed by cops at a 2 1/2 times higher proportion than whites, but I also understand that blacks commit murders at a significantly higher rate than whites. Neither fact, in itself, proves anything. I don't see how my comments benefit "right wingers" but if the truth benefits "right wingers" so be it. That polls may show that a majority of people think Zimmerman was guilty is meaningless. The actual jury heard in person all the witnesses' testimony, and saw all the exhibits; I'm pretty sure that hardly any of the poll responders did the same. You have no way of knowing what other juries would have done, nor do I. Presumably, there wouldn't be people on the jury who would decide the case on the basis of what effect the verdict would have on 'right wingers.' AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27580913940716903592022-03-07T12:04:43.329-05:002022-03-07T12:04:43.329-05:00anon 9:50, everything I set forth the source of ev...anon 9:50, everything I set forth the source of everything I stated, all from Wikipedia. Anyone can look it up, and see that what I said accurately reflects those sources. You have some alleged testimony in quotes. You don't identify the source Does that come from the transcript itself? I don't have a copy of the transcript. Anything I said would need to be measured from the transcript as a whole - that goes both ways. You accuse me of lying without any foundation whatsoever (albeit in ALL CAPS) - the accusation is absurd, as anyone can see by looing at the Wikipedia sources. If those sources are inaccurate, that does not mean I'm lying, only mistaken.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51048669674958621082022-03-07T10:22:18.140-05:002022-03-07T10:22:18.140-05:00"Criticism of your beliefs equals death"..."Criticism of your beliefs equals death"<br /><br />They don't have any beliefs, only talking points.<br /><br />Tomorrow, some of their talking points may change to the opposite, and they will parrot the new ones with the same self-righteous pomposity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75382956012752126842022-03-07T10:16:51.854-05:002022-03-07T10:16:51.854-05:00This is the kind of bullshit AC/MA and Somerby do,...This is the kind of bullshit AC/MA and Somerby do, they misstate the facts of cases that are beneficial to right wingers, and so you have to waste time proving how wrong they are, instead of focusing on the fact that black people are killed by cops at about 2.5 times the rate of white people, and that for every dollar a white person has, a black person only has 15 cents.<br /><br />They do not want you to know that the 60 richest individuals in the world have as much wealth as half of all people on the planet.<br /><br />Polls show a majority of people do believe Zimmerman is guilty; it is an important fact because of how foundational to our justice system is the notion of jury of peers. If that trial had had a different jury, they would have easily found Zimmerman guilty. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85239412552943519432022-03-07T10:16:21.228-05:002022-03-07T10:16:21.228-05:00Psychobabble from someone who doesn't even kno...Psychobabble from someone who doesn't even know that children make logical connections.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90250021686534742302022-03-07T10:00:13.651-05:002022-03-07T10:00:13.651-05:00Mao,
Tell it to the atheist on the Supreme Court.Mao,<br />Tell it to the atheist on the Supreme Court.Bertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00467132691948621846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9673607311627128222022-03-07T09:51:54.122-05:002022-03-07T09:51:54.122-05:00GOOD TESTIMONY AT *TRIAL*: "I only saw downwa...GOOD TESTIMONY AT *TRIAL*: "I only saw downward movement."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5842857974060943372022-03-07T09:50:46.082-05:002022-03-07T09:50:46.082-05:00AC/MA you are simply a liar.
There was no testimo...AC/MA you are simply a liar.<br /><br />There was no testimony that there was "pummeling", as Somerby likes to put it, or punching.<br /><br />GOOD TESTIMONY AT TRAIL: "I only saw downward movement."<br /><br />LAWYER: "You can't say that is was actually blows inflicted on the person on the ground."<br /><br />GOOD: "I could not see that."<br /><br />"I COULD NOT SEE THAT", you are scum AC/MA, a flat out liar.<br /><br />There was no one black on the jury. The woman you refer to calls herself hispanic, and she also said she was bullied by other jurors and that Zimmerman "got away with murder". She also admitted she misunderstood the jury instruction, she thought Zimmerman merely had to claim he feared for his life, instead of what the law states which is that the fear has to be "reasonable".<br /><br />SO AGAIN AC/MA YOU CONTINUE TO LIE. <br /><br />It is clear from the witness testimony, from the lack of injuries, that Zimmerman could not have reasonably feared death or great bodily harm. It is clear from Zimmerman's behavior after the trial that he should have been found guilty.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81204023896222976062022-03-07T09:38:08.217-05:002022-03-07T09:38:08.217-05:00anon 2:53, I get your point, but I just don't ...anon 2:53, I get your point, but I just don't think it is a good one. Good did say he saw punching. Read the whole Wikipedia article, including the footnotes. Good's testimony that he saw "downward arm motion, multiple times . . . that looked like punches." That is evidence that the person on top was punching the person on the bottom. It's not "speculation" in the legal sense. Good's testimony was to the effect Martin was the one on top. Good had also given interviews where he had used the term "MMA style" to describe the fracas. On cross, Zimmerman's lawyer asked this question relating to what Good had meant by "MMA style": Q. "The person on top was ground and pounding the person on the bottom?" A: [Good} "correct." See Wikipedia footnote 151. To the extent this was the testimony, it is testimony that supports Zimmerman's self-defense argument, and i evidence that Martin was on top and punching him. It doesn't mean that Good's testimony was accurate, but it was evidence and he was a disinterested witness. The other testimony about "ground and pound was even more direct. You say that the question to Good was whether the downward arm motions "could be consistent with punching." What is your source that this was the question? {I can't say you are wrong about that, not having a transcript, but none of the sources in Wikipedia indicate a question was in that form.] Bottom line, Zimmerman had what appears to be a fair trial and was found not guilty. Doesn't mean that this was a "correct" verdict, but that is what it was. That's the best any defendant can ask for in a trial. People can believe Zimmerman was guilty, but that isn't any evidence that he was.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88921468111871069272022-03-07T07:19:24.503-05:002022-03-07T07:19:24.503-05:00This is nonsense. Zimmerman was in a car when he s...This is nonsense. Zimmerman was in a car when he supposedly saw Trayvon Martin several hundred feet away while it was raining. GZ asserted he could tell Martin was high, at night 200 feet away in the rain.<br /><br />This is what happened. Zimmerman got out stalked Martin,Trayvon spotted him and got into a confrontation. Zimmerman being a wad of flabby chewed bubble gum got his ass kicked and then decided to shot Martin.<br /><br />Dead men tell no tales.Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35549674466111887562022-03-07T02:35:57.249-05:002022-03-07T02:35:57.249-05:00รถมือ 2 ถือเป็นอีกหนึ่งทางเลือกสำหรับใครที่ต้องการ...รถมือ 2 ถือเป็นอีกหนึ่งทางเลือกสำหรับใครที่ต้องการถคันเเรก เเต่ด้วยงบที่จำกัด เเละเศรษฐกิจแบบนี้กว่าจะผ่อนไม่ไหว รถมือ2 จึงเป็นอีกหนึ่งทางเลือก เราจะเห็นได้ว่าตามท่องตลาดนั้น รถมือ2เป็นรถที่มีราคาถูก บางคันเป็นรถที่ปีไม่ลึกเเต่ถูกกว่าออกใหม่มากถึง 50% จึกเป็นทางเลือก เพราะฉะนั้นเราจึงมีวิธีสำหรับ การกู้สิ้นเชื่อไฟเเนนซ์สำหรับการซื้อรถมือ2 คันเเรก <a href="https://supremosystems.com/" rel="nofollow">เข้าชม</a> ซึ่งวิธีเหล่านี้จะช่วยให้คุณประหยัดเงินในการหาไฟเเนนซ์ เเละไปเพิ่มเงินดาวน์ได้. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57900702987466023322022-03-06T17:09:38.229-05:002022-03-06T17:09:38.229-05:00None of the long list of reasons you have given wh...None of the long list of reasons you have given why Somerby is “not a liberal” are remotely logical. It's not even logical to think that “being a liberal” is an objective designation over which you have some knowledge. It's childish and moronic and quite clearly a psychological device you consciously or unconsciously employ to avoid the issues he presents. Like a child, you need to be shielded from all forms of criticism. Criticism of your beliefs equals death because you are so identified with them. Such sloppy and stupid thinking. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36068295255408022512022-03-06T16:34:35.807-05:002022-03-06T16:34:35.807-05:00No, it means that the logic is difficult to follow...No, it means that the logic is difficult to follow. <br /><br />I gave a long list of reasons why Somerby is not a liberal. It didn't amount to just not holding liberal opinions. <br /><br />Children actually are logical, especially after age 7-8. Between ages 2-3 they form logical connections between things. You really shouldn't pay attention to Somerby's idiotic claims that humans don't reason well. It is wrong, as I have said here many times before. When I say that he is wrong, I mean that his statements are contradicted by findings in cognitive science and cognitive psychology, which is the science of how people think. That is my field of expertise. Somerby's is standup comedy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74117683772054336132022-03-06T16:23:41.630-05:002022-03-06T16:23:41.630-05:00...by the way: it's actually completely irrele......by the way: it's actually completely irrelevant what can or can't be heard in Russia, and who is and who isn't imprisoned in Russia. They'll figure it out by themselves. And you're just changing the subject. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10721536835123065912022-03-06T15:56:32.674-05:002022-03-06T15:56:32.674-05:00Flights of logic means there was never any logic t...Flights of logic means there was never any logic to begin with. It's not logical to claim someone isn't a liberal if they say something that doesn't comport with what you think the liberal party line is. That is the logic of a child which means it's not logic at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39662555873150002842022-03-06T15:53:15.129-05:002022-03-06T15:53:15.129-05:00We didn't say anything about imprisoning peopl...We didn't say anything about imprisoning people, you're making it up. Some media orgs (identified as "foreign agents", financed from abroad) were banned there, and we do find it unremarkable, under the circumstances. Unlike banning foreign media orgs in the US and Europe, who aren't part of the conflict. <br /><br />Incidentally, a lot of Americans were blacklisted in the US during the Cold War. You should know that. A la guerre comme a la guerre.<br /><br />"doesn't seem both sides can be heard in Russia"<br /><br />We have the impression that the anti-war side is heard in Russia far louder than the pro-Russian side -- and by that we mean <i>just the basic facts of the matter</i> -- can be heard in the west. <br /><br />"what is it?"<br /><br />do you read our replies to you? Okay, we'll repeat: the Grayzone, the Jimmy Dore shows with Max Blumenthal. Caitlin Johnstone. The usual: anti-imperialist activists. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84963367340692074582022-03-06T14:53:23.597-05:002022-03-06T14:53:23.597-05:00You keep missing the point. Good said he saw downw...You keep missing the point. Good said he saw downward arm movements, not punching. He was asked whether those movements could be consistent with punching. That isn't the same as saying that he saw punching because the movements are consistent with other things too, and I listed some of them.<br /><br />I agree that guilt wasn't proven, but that too is not the same as Zimmerman being innocent. It only means he didn't go to jail for what he did to Martin.<br /><br />Somerby is wrong to claim that Good saw Zimmerman being punched by Martin. He is even more wrong when he suggests that Zimmerman's head was being bashed against the concrete. There is no evidence of that at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79397227496890782472022-03-06T14:29:27.733-05:002022-03-06T14:29:27.733-05:00Mao, You say you don't find "banning enem...Mao, You say you don't find "banning enemy war propaganda" (by imprisoning people) unremarkable. Maybe the US should have tried that in the Vietnam war. Even if the "propaganda" is true, lock them up? No doubt, there is a case that the Russians had a lot to be aggrieved about, which is not highlighted in the media, but it's certainly out there. Can both sides be heard in Russia? Didn't Putin say for weeks that they weren't going to invade? I don't disagree, both sides should be heard, but (1) doesn't seem both sides can be heard in Russia, and (2) if there is an honest justification for the Russian invasion, what is it? AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75252181018723073412022-03-06T14:16:25.932-05:002022-03-06T14:16:25.932-05:00anon 9:48, that's the way it is when there is ...anon 9:48, that's the way it is when there is a homicide - the victim can't testify. Good testified as he did - it was evidence (not proof) that Martin was punching down on Zimmerman. That's how it looked to him. It was admissible evidence - he testified as to what he saw. It's possible I suppose that Martin was trying to immobilize Zimmerman from pulling his gun out - but that is speculation on your part. The Wikipedia article isn't a transcript, but the DA certainly could have asked Good whether it was possible the person on top was doing something other than punching down on the person under him - maybe he did ask something like that, you'd need to see the transcript. Good testified the person on top was moving his arm up and down like he was hitting the person underneath. Good's evidence supported the jury verdict that guilt wasn't proven by the State beyond a reasonable doubt.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8695968650802406182022-03-06T14:08:02.833-05:002022-03-06T14:08:02.833-05:00Today the Peoples Convoy visits DC:
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Half a mile...Today the Peoples Convoy visits DC:<br /><br />I<br />Half a mile, half a mile,<br />Half a mile onward,<br />All in the valley of Dearth<br /> Rode the six hundred.<br />“Forward, the Truck Brigade!<br />Charge for the Socialists!” he said.<br />Into the valley of Dearth<br /> Rode the six hundred.<br /><br />II<br />“Forward, the Truck Brigade!”<br />Was there a man dismayed?<br />Not though the trucker knew<br /> Someone had blundered.<br /> Theirs not to make reply,<br /> Theirs not to reason why,<br /> Theirs but to do and die.<br /> Into the valley of Dearth<br /> Rode the six hundred.<br /><br />III<br />Prius to right of them,<br />Tesla to left of them,<br />F-150 in front of them<br /> Volleyed and thundered;<br />Stormed at with ozone and diesel,<br />Boldly they rode and well,<br />Into the jaws of Dearth,<br />Into the mouth of hell<br /> Rode the six hundred.<br /><br />IV<br />Flashed all their lights bare,<br />Flashed as they turned in air<br />Honking the drivers there,<br />Charging a Congress, while<br /> All the world wondered.<br />Plunged in the diesel-smoke<br />Right through the line they broke;<br />Progressive and Democrat<br />Reeled from the diesel smoke<br /> Shattered and sundered.<br />Then they rode back, but not<br /> Not the six hundred.<br /><br />I will not go on. You know what I mean<br /> Not the six hundred.<br />Alfred Lord Tennysonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74291046793981521472022-03-06T13:22:32.071-05:002022-03-06T13:22:32.071-05:00North American Bridge Championship starts in Reno ...North American Bridge Championship starts in Reno next week (March 10-20).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80357691040655053542022-03-06T13:19:19.860-05:002022-03-06T13:19:19.860-05:00"cockeyed flights of logic" you said..."cockeyed flights of logic" you said...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com