tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post8701362522113204727..comments2024-03-29T09:59:03.164-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Travel ban versus Muslim ban versus Muslim ban lite!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40813934839889827742019-03-13T22:10:38.484-04:002019-03-13T22:10:38.484-04:00During my time of weakness i found refuge through ...During my time of weakness i found refuge through the spell that Dr.dodo whose contact details him on whatsAp (+234 807 835 1159) or via email drdodotemple @gmail. com At first i was always among those that condemn Africa and there traditional ways of thinking. But after reading a lot of reviews about Dr.dodo i had no choice than to give Dr.dodo an opportunity to help me. And at the end i was grateful that i contacted Dr.dodo because through his spell my husband that left me for quit sometime return home with a happy heart showering me with loveestherroberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01740476693600257414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56885668232186039432017-03-13T11:04:36.622-04:002017-03-13T11:04:36.622-04:00TO GET LOAN @ 2% INTEREST RATE with victoriafinanc...TO GET LOAN @ 2% INTEREST RATE with victoriafinancier@outlook.com<br /><br />IF you are looking for a loan amount of little or huge amount between $10, 000USD to $100,000.00USD @ 2% interest rate, you will have to contact Victoria Financier Trust Company ( victoriafinancier@outlook.com ). She help me with funds urgently when i was desperate in need of money to payoff my debt after my husband medical expense and more funds assistance to pay our mortgage and refinance my business. I read about Victoria Lawson on how she have help lots of person and she attend to me urgently when i contacted and explain my situation to her. She has help lots of persons that i refer to her too. Contact her now with VIA EMAIL: victoriafinancier@outlook.com<br /><br />*Full Name:_________<br /><br />*Address:_________<br /><br />*Tell:_________<br /><br />*loan amount:_________<br /><br />*Loan duration:_________<br /><br />*Country:_________<br /><br />*Purpose of loan:_________<br /><br />*Monthly Income:__________<br /><br />*Occupation__________<br /><br />*Next of kin:_________<br /><br />*Email :_________Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01220783358369854048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73963558669466348282017-03-11T23:39:00.784-05:002017-03-11T23:39:00.784-05:00D in C. Humans are not rational creatures, especia...D in C. Humans are not rational creatures, especially when they feel threatened. gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23108919415713174922017-03-11T12:55:06.835-05:002017-03-11T12:55:06.835-05:0012:37 PM,
If the point is to keep out people from ...12:37 PM,<br />If the point is to keep out people from areas where the majority holds beliefs about violence against those who worship other Gods than theirs, gays, and others, then we should build the border wall at at the Mason-Dixon Line.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00363187757246791754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30485777157873825642017-03-11T12:50:30.259-05:002017-03-11T12:50:30.259-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00363187757246791754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14640759370325508532017-03-11T12:08:39.611-05:002017-03-11T12:08:39.611-05:00Reminds me of the old joke:
Q. What's the diff...Reminds me of the old joke:<br />Q. What's the difference between Israel and Nazi Germany?<br />A. Nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25510674935941458372017-03-11T11:59:32.585-05:002017-03-11T11:59:32.585-05:00Silly Boy -- IMHO it's (some of) the Arab lead...Silly Boy -- IMHO it's (some of) the Arab leaders who let Arabs rot in poverty. Why does it hurt Arabs if the US gives more money to Israel than to the West Bank? Only because the West Bank leaders decided that Israel is their enemy. With a different approach, Israel could have been a boon for the West Bank and other Arab countries. Having a modern state, with cutting edge technology, medicine, etc. nearby could have helped these countries to moderninze themselves, via cooperative education programs, joint manufacturing, etc. But, some Arab leaders don't want friendship with Israel and don't want modernization. David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27829052300850755532017-03-11T02:42:37.349-05:002017-03-11T02:42:37.349-05:00David, you misunderstand the aid given to the Pale...David, you misunderstand the aid given to the Palestinian Reservations. The US gives around $400 million per year to the West Bank and Gaza, in contrast to the $3 billion it gives Israel, and most of those funds go to defend Israel from Palestinian attacks and protests, not to aid Palestinians economically - it is in the same report you reference. In fact, pro-Israeli Republicans in the US are concerned some of the funds go to help Palestinian terrorist groups, so they are proposing we cut all aid to the Palestinians:<br /><br />http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-lawmakers-unveil-measure-to-cut-off-u-s-aid-to-palestinians/<br /><br />The US does in fact let Arabs rot in poverty while it supports Israel with massive amounts of money and props up Arab dictators that are friendly to our oil companies but brutal to their own people whom they keep impoverished. Indeed if ever supposition came close to truth, it is likely that elite Republican leaders are not bothered by Islamic terrorists because they find them a useful tool to keep Americans in fear and money flowing to their buddies in the defense and homeland security businesses.Silly Boynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43337065741658269922017-03-10T12:39:17.756-05:002017-03-10T12:39:17.756-05:00For the time being.For the time being.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54419522032230365072017-03-10T12:37:32.638-05:002017-03-10T12:37:32.638-05:00You're judging reality about a group of people...You're judging reality about a group of people who come from countries in which the vast majority holds beliefs about violence against infidels, gays, and others. We do not want these people in our country. We also do not want a large population of people who approve of Islamic law in government. We should require immigrants from these societies to prove they are exceptions to the dominant belief systems about violence and government in their country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22436448688975944872017-03-10T10:16:44.743-05:002017-03-10T10:16:44.743-05:00Silly Boy, thanks for your post. I believe you th...Silly Boy, thanks for your post. I believe you that, "They hate us because we...let Arabs rot in poverty." Apparently that's a widespread belief, but it isn't true. A Congressional Research Service report, written last December, says, "Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid."<br />https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf<br /><br />The US has been by far the greatest contributor to the Palestinians, as can be seen from charts at http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000592<br /><br />Here are the figures, badly formatted:<br />Donor Contribution (US$)<br />United States of America 408,751,396<br />European Commission 139,402,221<br />Saudi Arabia 103,519,499<br />United Kingdom 95,328,127<br />Sweden 79,975,260<br />Germany 54,838,742<br />Norway 35,911,782<br />Japan (including JICA [Japan International Cooperation Agency]) 28,278,535<br />Switzerland 27,158,461<br />Australia 23,707,542<br />Netherlands 22,474,045<br />Denmark 22,339,767<br />Kuwait 17,000,000<br />France 16,800,000<br />Italy 10,775,259<br />Belgium (including Flanders) 10,772,636<br />Finland 8,865,753<br />Ireland 8,464,730<br />Palestine 8,453,349<br />Turkey 8,129,618David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2967926844662577722017-03-10T08:30:39.743-05:002017-03-10T08:30:39.743-05:00D in C - It's a tried and true tactic of gover...D in C - It's a tried and true tactic of governments, authoritarian or not, to stir up the gullible citizens with imaginary or exaggerated reasons to be terrified. The travel ban and inhumanitarian refugee bans are hardly likely to prevent some sort of attack. It's public relations, and it's really low. The issue isn't sparing the feelings of murderous Islamic religious zealots, but possibly giving the zealots a recruiting tool. I think the latter is a more significant danger than allowing in refugees and citizens from the 6 countries.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80428084727119982732017-03-10T06:34:57.830-05:002017-03-10T06:34:57.830-05:00David, as a southern white guy of jewish heritage ...David, as a southern white guy of jewish heritage married 17 years to an Egyptian woman of muslim heritage, my impression is that Arabs are most angry over what Zionist extremists did to the Palestinians during the creation of modern Israel. The Jews destroyed all of the Palestinian cities, towns and villages and boot kicked those left alive out of the their own country. Israel's current conservative and anti Arab leader and the US' unqualified support for Israel are main motivators for Islamic extremists.<br /><br />They do not hate us for our freedoms.<br /><br />They hate us for our support of Israel. They hate us because we shovel money to Israel and let Arabs rot in poverty. They hate us because we impose ourselves in their countries mainly due to oil interests, while we allow Israel to have nuclear weapons and help enrich their interests.Silly Boynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47279203995339603062017-03-10T01:35:58.789-05:002017-03-10T01:35:58.789-05:00AC/MA -- I agree with most of your comment, but no...AC/MA -- I agree with most of your comment, but not the idea that, "What he is doing now is more likely to inspire a terrorist attack..." We don't know what motivates Islamic terrorists to attack the West. I think it's mostly that we're not Islamic. Maybe they hate us because gays, women, Jews, etc. are treated as equals. In any event, I don't want my country's policies to be determined by what might or might not enrage these murderous thugs. David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60147394271004312162017-03-09T23:59:29.899-05:002017-03-09T23:59:29.899-05:00So someone from Yemen with the right beliefs can c...So someone from Yemen with the right beliefs can come in? That isn't how his EO works. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63687031587943759862017-03-09T23:55:16.490-05:002017-03-09T23:55:16.490-05:00And that's called bigotry because you are judg...And that's called bigotry because you are judging them as members of a group and not individuals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64426019883418511752017-03-09T23:20:40.591-05:002017-03-09T23:20:40.591-05:00Bob i have learned alot in the 12 plus years i hav...Bob i have learned alot in the 12 plus years i have been reading your site.<br />i almost always agree with you in your assessment of how we treat The Others.<br />In fact I still agree with you but there is something that bothers me about all this. and I cant articulate it to you but i will try.<br />Yes our side treats the other like shit but the fact is the "The Others" also view our side with contempt as well. This is also not just as a reaction to our sides contempt but comes out organically. <br />The real only difference is the fact that our side lives where the means of narrative disemination lay.<br />The truth is what you constantly illustrate is not so much condesending contempt but pure tribalism and all sides are very guilty of practicing it.<br />Dont believe me go into any mega church or NASCAR ralley on any given Sunday and listen to the refrains of pure tribalism.<br />It is deeper and more pronounced then you acknowledge and practiced by all.<br />I think you should start to address this for what it is and admit that the truth is that too many parties are guilty.<br />I am not asking for fair and balanced. <br />However a little highlighting the real faults of the others would be helpful.<br />As for Al Franken, the difference is that now he is a US Senator and is constrained by the Office.<br />Remember when he first came to Congress he was dressed down by Mconnell and admonished the the senate was not Saturday Night Live.It was a humiliating comment from a true piece of shit and Al had to take it.<br />Also remember as to McConnell, this was a man who was the protage of the most progressive senator Kentucky ever produced, a person who, no matter the cost, was full square behind the Civil Rights legislation in the 1960's and who gave good o'l mitch his start.<br />Well look at how reactionary he turned out, what a slap in the face of one's mentor.<br />Just some random thoughts.<br />Again bob, I owe you, Krugman, Greenwald and Chomsky so much in my education.<br />Spread your critique to all. We know you want us all to be flawless but sometime we need a little love to.<br />thanks<br />michaelmichael heithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12175304343212837238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4740052655541451802017-03-09T23:19:30.643-05:002017-03-09T23:19:30.643-05:00You can argue about why radical Islamists exist an...You can argue about why radical Islamists exist and no doubt some exist because of the Iraq war. The point is to keep them out of our country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80495202387031465942017-03-09T20:41:18.257-05:002017-03-09T20:41:18.257-05:00Real people had their lives affected (for the wors...Real people had their lives affected (for the worse) by George W. Bush's "Great Iraq Clusterfuck". Now the people that rooted on the USA's worst foreign policy disaster of the last 100 years, want to kick those same people while they're down. Also, bonus points for whining about "government waste" and "the debt" after Georgie spent $3 Trillion to do so.<br />Why the fuck would anyone ever listen to these mouth-breathers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19549319586357427452017-03-09T20:33:44.699-05:002017-03-09T20:33:44.699-05:00He never made a secret of the fact that his intent...He never made a secret of the fact that his intent was to ban people with certain beliefs about violence. For refugees from these areas, those beliefs are accepted by a large part of their populations and happen to be rooted in their religion. Whatever it's called, the intent is reasonable and if fewer people holding those objectionable beliefs come here, it is a positive policy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17758567518224282422017-03-09T19:42:37.694-05:002017-03-09T19:42:37.694-05:00The main effect of the new EO is to reduce the num...The main effect of the new EO is to reduce the number of Syrian refugees from 110,000 to 55,000. That means 55,000 Syrian refugees are being banned. They are primarily Muslims. You can call this whatever you want but real people are being affected by this EO while Somerby plays his word games with the NY Times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37253701774558822762017-03-09T18:54:46.286-05:002017-03-09T18:54:46.286-05:00I agree and "my Mexican girlfriend" wil...I agree and "my Mexican girlfriend" will pay for the wall... to keep herself in Mexico. Gamarochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12094949023500912672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36898978168677843662017-03-09T18:21:36.786-05:002017-03-09T18:21:36.786-05:00Jonny, you put it better than I didJonny, you put it better than I didAC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45949396024777712702017-03-09T18:19:31.560-05:002017-03-09T18:19:31.560-05:00During the campaign, particularly when he was figh...During the campaign, particularly when he was fighting off his GOP competitors, Trump threw it out that he would or might ban all Muslims from entering the country. I think it worked for him with a lot of voters. (The terrorist attacks in Europe and in Florida must have helped him a lot against Clinton). Now as president, he has backed off from that. What he is doing now is more likely to inspire a terrorist attack than prevent one. The purpose seems nothing other than to give the impression he is carrying out at least to some extent his original threat to ban all Muslims - it would be more accurate to call this a "ban of at some Muslims" than a "Muslim ban." AC/MAnoreply@blogger.com