tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post874657847682366915..comments2024-03-19T06:01:18.539-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Supplemental: The Times thinks it spotted some policy talk!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66854985695146880772015-08-13T20:41:29.167-04:002015-08-13T20:41:29.167-04:00@mm
You seem to be deliberately obtuse to the cru...@mm<br /><br />You seem to be deliberately obtuse to the crux of HRC's unique problem with communications through electronic mail. She exclusively used a private server stashed in her cellar. She reprimanded her staff for not using .gov emails for business and yet that is how she operated herself. Why? <br /><br />Guess what, HRC didn't provide the 15,000 out of 30,000 emails to Foggy Bottom until she had been gone from the job 22 months. She did not preserve her emails as she deleted 30,000 of them. If you believe she had that many emails about Chelsea's wedding and yoga classes you should be working for David Brock. Bill Clinton admitted he had sent a total of two emails in his life. HRC claimed much of the correspondence on her sever was with him. <br /><br />Rice had a state.gov email address that she occasionally used, but not very often. That means Foggy Bottom does have her business emails if they wished to look for them, but they are not eager to release HRC's emails after she finally turned them over to them. cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75917763947257551732015-08-13T11:21:54.664-04:002015-08-13T11:21:54.664-04:00TL; DR
Somerby highlights more NYT laziness and/o...TL; DR<br /><br />Somerby highlights more NYT laziness and/or stupidity. <br /><br />Somerby's trolls struggle -- and ultimately succeed! -- to prove they are at least as stupid.Arbiternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-755381455771802212015-08-13T01:02:54.714-04:002015-08-13T01:02:54.714-04:00As a latecomer to this exchange I will note that i...As a latecomer to this exchange I will note that it started with someone simply reprinting what Somerby copied from the Times and incorporating the specific criticisms Somerby made about the article. <br /><br />I think that commenter got the gist of Bob's acting like a second grader while calling the press kindergartners and the candidates ideas those of a third grader.<br /><br />and mm doesn't like anyone throwing around insults other than himself because he is one of the few who is on topic and they are jackasses. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6961633372621319282015-08-12T22:31:41.096-04:002015-08-12T22:31:41.096-04:00I think Bob's point is valid enough here but r...I think Bob's point is valid enough here but really could be solved by some decent Op Ed work. Oops.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25630587954013950492015-08-12T22:09:28.881-04:002015-08-12T22:09:28.881-04:00As someone was discussing above, Howard Dean also ...As someone was discussing above, Howard Dean also made his point about political reporting in the NYT being basically opinion while talking with Chris Hayes last night. I thought Hayes, the shameless climber, was going to fall off his chair while squealing something about it being Dean who was criticizing the Times. "Not me, not me..."Poolmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21706396865232222772015-08-12T21:53:20.883-04:002015-08-12T21:53:20.883-04:00Why would I want Clinton prosecuted? She is the o...Why would I want Clinton prosecuted? She is the only one who has preserved her work related emails. <br /><br />The point about Rice, which obviously went right over your pointy head, is that apparently the State Department doesn't have them since they asked her for them and she has not produced a single one.<br /><br />Only Clinton preserved the work product.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23329110816102157322015-08-12T21:37:13.555-04:002015-08-12T21:37:13.555-04:00@mm
Easy. File a FOIA request with the State Depa...@mm<br /><br />Easy. File a FOIA request with the State Department to get copies of Dr. Rice's Foggy Bottom emails. Let us know what you find. <br /><br />You want Powell prosecuted for destroying emails that are the property of the American citizen but you do not want to see HRC prosecuted? Ok. How about prosecuting both of them? <br /><br />cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91717998403286819952015-08-12T20:40:21.931-04:002015-08-12T20:40:21.931-04:00"But I retained none of those e-mails and we ..."But I retained none of those e-mails and we are working with the State Department to see if there’s anything else they want to discuss with me about those e-mails." Powell<br /><br />Well, that's just wrong. Those emails were work product. They should have been preserved for all those future FOIA requests. How can you just stand there and let him get away with this? Those emails belong to us, the USA citizens who he worked for.<br /><br />Hillary Clinton is the only SoS who preserved her emails. Ain't that a kick!mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34493911808117518092015-08-12T20:30:04.068-04:002015-08-12T20:30:04.068-04:00"Condoleezza Rice reportedly had a State Depa..."Condoleezza Rice reportedly had a State Department email address that she used for official business, an aide for the former secretary of state says."<br /><br /><br />Then where are they? I demand to see every last one of them! mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21308096762418757882015-08-12T20:27:22.244-04:002015-08-12T20:27:22.244-04:00@6:12,
Thank you for that. You begin with an ins...@6:12,<br /><br />Thank you for that. You begin with an insult and end with an insult.<br /><br />"Lord, you make cicero look half way intelligent."<br /><br />"Now go back and let Somerby treat you as the rube you are."<br /><br />Now I understand. The NY Times is free to publish a gibberish laced press release for Donald Trump as long as it doesn't make it into the print edition. Got it.<br /><br />Oh yes, I see the disclaimer now, directly under the title, "Donald Trump, Pivoting Toward Policy, Urges Simpler Tax Code", where it says very plainly,<br /><br />Dear readers, pay no attention to the gibberish in this article. It was written by a nobody who isn't even allowed to leave our building.<br /><br />Seriously, it seems like you are actually agreeing with Somerby's criticism that the report he wrote about was pure garbage. Do I have that right?mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69886460252647173412015-08-12T20:13:18.616-04:002015-08-12T20:13:18.616-04:00@7:22
Madeleine Albright, secretary of state fro...@7:22<br /><br /> Madeleine Albright, secretary of state from 1997 to 2001, did not use personal or professional e-mail while in office, <br /><br />Condoleezza Rice never used personal email at State Dept."<br /><br />"Condoleezza Rice reportedly had a State Department email address that she used for official business, an aide for the former secretary of state says."<br /><br />http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/condoleezza-rice-emails-state-department-115941.html<br /><br />Here is Powell's complete explanation of the email system he used while at Foggy Bottom:<br /><br />POWELL: I — I can’t speak to a — Mrs. Clinton and what she should do now. That would be inappropriate.<br /><br />What I did when I entered the State Department, I found an antiquated system that had to be modernized and modernized quickly.<br /><br />So we put in place new systems, bought 44,000 computers and put a new Internet capable computer on every single desk in every embassy, every office in the State Department. And then I connected it with software.<br /><br />But in order to change the culture, to change the brainware, as I call it, I started using it in order to get everybody to use it, so we could be a 21st century institution and not a 19th century.<br /><br />But I retained none of those e-mails and we are working with the State Department to see if there’s anything else they want to discuss with me about those e-mails."cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68426491303362257022015-08-12T20:07:18.368-04:002015-08-12T20:07:18.368-04:00@ 7:18
mm brought up Oliver Hudson as his/her ins...@ 7:18<br /><br />mm brought up Oliver Hudson as his/her inspiration for injecting colorful metaphors in all posts. cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62954919575070142802015-08-12T19:22:50.906-04:002015-08-12T19:22:50.906-04:00Why would anyone believe anything a fox-loving con...Why would anyone believe anything a fox-loving conservative troll days about political opponents?<br /><br />You haven't explained why none of the Republicans have turned anything over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30007081794231572182015-08-12T19:18:49.642-04:002015-08-12T19:18:49.642-04:00What are you talking about? Is this on topic?What are you talking about? Is this on topic?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36065932203274393362015-08-12T19:00:22.399-04:002015-08-12T19:00:22.399-04:00@6:30
That you believe anything HRC says is typic...@6:30<br /><br />That you believe anything HRC says is typical of her supporters. The problem for those like yourself is that is no longer only the Judicial Watch FOIA request HRC has to contend with. Her server and thumb drive will finally be the property of the FBI and DOJ. If HRC's story about only deleting personal emails is true she has nothing to worry about. cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6212303758896135372015-08-12T18:54:28.973-04:002015-08-12T18:54:28.973-04:00@ 6:35
Are you aware that outside of HRC, only Po...@ 6:35<br /><br />Are you aware that outside of HRC, only Powell did not turn over his emails as he destroyed them, but he did not use a private server stashed in his home either. Powell voted for Obama, twice. He is also not running for POTUS or being investigated criminally by the FBI, or by Obama's DOJ and Inspector Generalcicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11958593233759676262015-08-12T18:35:42.867-04:002015-08-12T18:35:42.867-04:00Cicero, are you aware that the past four secretari...Cicero, are you aware that the past four secretaries of state were all asked to turn over their emails and Clinton is the only one who did so? Don't Republicans believe in transparency or compliance with voluntary requests?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22798307001521137732015-08-12T18:30:33.985-04:002015-08-12T18:30:33.985-04:00What does the age of the server have to do with an...What does the age of the server have to do with anything, ir the location in Chappaqua? She has denied the rest of your accusation. I'll believe her over you any day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85315350562546421472015-08-12T18:29:41.266-04:002015-08-12T18:29:41.266-04:00@mm
Oliver's wife Kate Norley, former U.S. A...@mm<br /> Oliver's wife Kate Norley, former U.S. Army combat medic and veterans-rights advocate who enlisted right out of high school, in direct response to the 9/11, would appreciate B.S. allowing conservatives to post their pov here. cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46186850369907948182015-08-12T18:26:34.147-04:002015-08-12T18:26:34.147-04:00So if Trump was a man of few words and said relati...So if Trump was a man of few words and said relatively little about anything why did the Times puff his remarks up into policy statements?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20414827836565973492015-08-12T18:17:31.185-04:002015-08-12T18:17:31.185-04:00@mm
HRC must be into sadomasochism as she is sole...@mm<br /><br />HRC must be into sadomasochism as she is solely responsible for electing to use 15 year-old private server in her Chappaqua cellar to keep TOP SECRET government information. cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61882274327362069162015-08-12T18:12:22.045-04:002015-08-12T18:12:22.045-04:00You are giving out hints? Lord, you make cicero l...You are giving out hints? Lord, you make cicero look half way intelligent.<br /><br />Somerby devoted his post to an article which did not even appear in the main edition of the New York Times.<br /><br />Alan Rappeport is called the "anchor" of their First Draft feature, which the Times describes as an on-line Monday-Friday newsletter. Obviously they may take the brief articles written for it and use them in the early editions, which is apparently one that Somerby got ahold of. The reporter who wrote it is called "the anchor" of First Draft, which indicates he is an office based writer who would get assigned to watch Donald on TV and write about what he said, which is all this article is.<br /><br />The article I linked for you is the one which actually ran in the main edition of the Times this morning. It was written by the beat reporter assigned to cover the Trump campaign.<br /><br />A key sentence or two from it:<br /><br />"For a man of so many words, Mr. Trump still has relatively little to say about the kinds of policies he would pursue as president.<br /><br />Even as he seeks to give his presidential campaign the kind of serious agenda befitting a candidate who is leading in the polls, so far the Trump Doctrine is not much more than this: “Trust me.” "<br /><br /><br />Now go back and let Somerby treat you as the rube you are.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41969714199025544442015-08-12T17:08:40.320-04:002015-08-12T17:08:40.320-04:00@4:52,
The link you provide goes to a completely ...@4:52, <br />The link you provide goes to a completely different political article by a different reporter. Somerby analyzed the report by reporter Alan Rappeport. You link to an article by JEREMY W. PETERS. These are two distinct articles that appear in separate sections right now online. <br /><br />Hint: The title "FIRST DRAFT" doesn't mean what you think it means.<br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89456224006690583112015-08-12T16:57:44.133-04:002015-08-12T16:57:44.133-04:00Anything to help the cause.Anything to help the cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33587053653529467922015-08-12T16:52:42.949-04:002015-08-12T16:52:42.949-04:00You might check out the coverage they replaced the...You might check out the coverage they replaced the piece that is in their on-line First Draft coverage with in their main edition. Oh, Somerby didnt tell you his national version DC hard copy is what happened early in the day, and that it was bumped by what happened last night? The Title First Draft doesn't give you a clue?<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/politics/intent-on-life-after-fox-trump-turns-to-policy.html?ref=politicsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com