tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post9081547912777265720..comments2024-03-28T16:18:12.319-04:00Comments on the daily howler: THE PAROCHIALS: The topics NBC likes to cover!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46863502376712724192017-12-15T01:59:42.864-05:002017-12-15T01:59:42.864-05:00Family Farm?
Mao, try updating your lies every fe...Family Farm? <br />Mao, try updating your lies every few decades. That one has a sell buy date of 1995.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7252400583964238282017-12-14T14:16:46.319-05:002017-12-14T14:16:46.319-05:00Bob neglects to mention that Moore, for all his cr...Bob neglects to mention that Moore, for all his crazy views, won several statewide elections. What ultimately brought him down by a narrow margin was the pedophilia storyline. <br /><br />Bob bitches about lack of coverage of the tax bill. In fact, the WaPost, the NYT and other publications had several articles on the tax bill. The WaPo in particular had a detailed article explaining how it fell short of Trump's claims. Bob ignores this. <br /><br />And even if the liberal press had covered the tax bill 24/7, how would this have stopped the Rs, who have majorities in the House and Senate. Answer -- it would not have. The only thing that might create problems for the bill is (wait for it) the election of Jones which shrinks Rs narrow majority in the Senate. <br /><br />My personal opinion is that Bob went crazy back in 2000 or so because he thinks the liberal press attacked Gore. His way to compensate for that is to nitpick, ignore good stories, and use falsehoods as blatant as any conservative. In short, Bob is acting like a true Trumptard. A 'useful idiot' for Trump and the Rs except that he lacks the influence to be truly useful to them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5238523796357412672017-12-14T13:16:00.461-05:002017-12-14T13:16:00.461-05:00No, the estate tax isn't killing family farms
...<b>No, the estate tax isn't killing family farms</b><br /><br /><em>Republicans calling for the repeal of the federal estate tax often claim it makes it hard for American farmers and ranchers to pass on the family business to the next generation.<br /><br />But most U.S. family farms are unaffected by the federal estate tax.</em><br /><br /> money.cnn.com/2017/10/10/news/economy/farmers-estate-tax/index.html<br /><br /><br />*****<br /><b>Donald Trump's Pants on Fire claim about the estate tax, small businesses and farms</b><br /><br />http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/28/donald-trump/donald-trumps-pants-fire-claim-about-estate-tax-sm/<br /><br /><br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25474649242567774172017-12-14T12:59:30.091-05:002017-12-14T12:59:30.091-05:00Sure, inheriting the farm is a horrible travesty, ...Sure, inheriting the farm is a horrible travesty, while producing sneakers for $20/pair abroad to sell them for $200/pair domestically is just normal business activity. <br /><br />Yeah, let's be credible and focus on the farm. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7768362563513711032017-12-14T12:35:10.450-05:002017-12-14T12:35:10.450-05:00Mao, thanks for letting me know I don't care ...Mao, thanks for letting me know I don't care about arguments. You just made 2 arguments, that the estate tax doesn't matter, and that other countries (which ones?) offer no taxes for 10 years, free electricity, and free land. No one is advocating that in the US - you claim that the 20% corporate tax is a small step in the right direction that possibly might increase manufacturing jobs. We shall see how much good it does, like you say, and how much it simply puts more in the pockets of plutocrats and banksters, a prospect you apparently think is irrelevant. I ain't a economist. Someone once characterized economics as the "dismal science" - which I agree with, except the part about it being a science. As for the meaningless estate tax - the abolition has been the dream of the super rich for ages now - per you, let them have more and more concentration of wealth, who cares? Good for them. You are way to glib and snarky and dogmatic to be credible.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67886477911850929372017-12-14T12:26:25.193-05:002017-12-14T12:26:25.193-05:00Say whatever else you want about Trump and Mao, bu...Say whatever else you want about Trump and Mao, but you can't argue their love for the Establishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62527774350670119092017-12-14T12:05:03.603-05:002017-12-14T12:05:03.603-05:00"I know how other countries do it:"
Plea..."I know how other countries do it:"<br />Please. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20619625844389812122017-12-14T11:54:57.573-05:002017-12-14T11:54:57.573-05:00Estate tax is such minor shit, Republicans will lo...Estate tax is such minor shit, Republicans will lose their funding if they don't vote for it.<br />Do you get paid by the word, the post, or the lie?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29163959206505079392017-12-14T11:52:09.545-05:002017-12-14T11:52:09.545-05:00Screw the argument. If that's "the argum...Screw the argument. If that's "the argument", put in the bill. What is the enforcement mechanism that they must bring back the jobs in exchange for the corporate tax break? What's the penalty for not doing so? (Hint: it's also NOT in the bill).<br />Wishes of ponies and unicorns will NOT bring the jobs back. A bill spelling out the exchange parameters (how many jobs for how big a tax cut, etc) instead of promises made by people who can't be trusted would have been the way to do this IF they believed the tax cut would bring jobs back. I want to know what Trump and Republicans believe, not what the inveterate liars say they believe. <br /><br />I'm sure the plutocrats appreciate your argument, Mao, but he rest of us are calling bullshit. Again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-961240299955973922017-12-14T10:50:07.174-05:002017-12-14T10:50:07.174-05:00Nah, you don't care about arguments. All I can...Nah, you don't care about arguments. All I can detect is witless tribalist resentment, just like the rest of your ilk. <br /><br />As for the estate tax, it's minor shit, and it really doesn't matter: what are they going to do with the taxes they collect anyway? If the estate tax was 100%, how would it help the working stiff? We know the answer. <br /><br />What the country needs now is to bring back its industrial base. <br /><br />I know how other countries do it: they make deals for <i>zero</i> taxes in the first 10 years, plus free land, free electrical power and what-not - anything you want, just build your factories <i>here</i>. This is how it's done these days. Cutting the corporate tax to 20% is a minor incentive, but it might play a role if combined with other incentives. So far so good; we'll see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63125657289410152932017-12-14T03:05:23.127-05:002017-12-14T03:05:23.127-05:00Conservatives shooting themselves in the head en m...Conservatives shooting themselves in the head en masse will bring back manufacturing jobs to the U.S. Whether it works or not, remains to be seen, but THAT'S the argument. <br />Trump and his fellow close-minded Republicans would rather sit with their thumbs up their butts, than even try to bring manufacturing jobs back. Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24791321296579312902017-12-14T02:49:28.666-05:002017-12-14T02:49:28.666-05:00Say whatever else you want about Trump, but he sur...Say whatever else you want about Trump, but he sure does love himself the Establishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19717494143531244212017-12-14T02:47:49.813-05:002017-12-14T02:47:49.813-05:00Maybe because this blog isn't devoted to polic...Maybe because this blog isn't devoted to policy discussions, rather, according to its masthead, it offers "musings on the mainstream press corps and the american discourse."CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28217428536111346592017-12-13T23:27:58.961-05:002017-12-13T23:27:58.961-05:00Trump promised to screw over the working class, an...Trump promised to screw over the working class, and now he's delivered on that promise. What's the problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23884734628033005102017-12-13T23:26:56.222-05:002017-12-13T23:26:56.222-05:00Crooked, crooked Donald!Crooked, crooked Donald!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83621727448644999912017-12-13T21:15:24.817-05:002017-12-13T21:15:24.817-05:00"...but that's the argument."
You ca..."...but that's the argument."<br />You can find folks making that arguement, but you can find anyone who believes it.<br /><br />It's OK. First mention of the "deficit" or "debt" by a Conservative, and the corporate tax rate triples.<br />-----------------<br />Many believe it was Trump's campaign motto of "Establishment Uber Alles", and not his bigotry and misogyny, which one him the election. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57741628907263151002017-12-13T20:24:52.458-05:002017-12-13T20:24:52.458-05:00The only globalists 'Mao' cares for are hi...The only globalists 'Mao' cares for are his Russian paymasters Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24077352053393392022017-12-13T18:15:47.599-05:002017-12-13T18:15:47.599-05:00I can't speak for all lib-zombies, but all I c...I can't speak for all lib-zombies, but all I care about is arguments. I am very skeptical about the argument that this tax plan will bring jobs back from Bangladesh, or that it will help workers more than banksters. We shall see, like you say. I'm pretty sure abolishing the estate tax only helps the 1%. Trump was quite promiscuous with his promises - lots of them were crazy, and have been dropped down the toilet.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15484250785635362172017-12-13T17:46:22.492-05:002017-12-13T17:46:22.492-05:00Bullshit. You're not bringing back factory jo...Bullshit. You're not bringing back factory jobs that have left until you get Americans to accept 3rd world wages. How's $1 a day sound, vodka breath? <br /><br />Here is your working class hero, dumbshit.<br /><br /><b>Trump Paid Over $1 Million in Labor Settlement, Documents Reveal</b><br /><br /><em>In 1980, under pressure to begin construction on what would become his signature project, Donald J. Trump employed a crew of 200 undocumented Polish workers who worked in 12-hour shifts, without gloves, hard hats or masks, to demolish the Bonwit Teller building on Fifth Avenue, where the 58-story, golden-hued Trump Tower now stands.<br /><br />The workers were paid as little as $4 an hour for their dangerous labor, less than half the union wage, if they got paid at all.<br /><br />Their treatment led to years of litigation over Mr. Trump’s labor practices, and in 1998, despite frequent claims that he never settles lawsuits, Mr. Trump quietly reached an agreement to end a class-action suit over the Bonwit Teller demolition in which he was a defendant.<br /><br />For almost 20 years, the terms of that settlement have remained a secret. But last week, the settlement documents were unsealed by Loretta A. Preska, a United States District Court judge for the Southern District, in response to a 2016 motion filed by Time Inc. and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. Judge Preska found that the public’s right to know of court proceedings in a class-action case was strengthened by the involvement of the “now-president of the United States.”</em><br /><br /><br /><br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50905081587308286142017-12-13T17:32:04.382-05:002017-12-13T17:32:04.382-05:00Exporting jobs to Bangladesh (and such) is what he...Exporting jobs to Bangladesh (and such) is what helps banksters and globalists. <br /><br />On the contrary, the declared purpose of lowering corporate tax is to bring factory jobs back to the US. Whether it works or not remains to be seen, but <b>that's the argument</b>.<br /><br />But of course lib-zombies are not interested in arguments; they have their idiotic talking points, good for every occasion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40282915222261863972017-12-13T17:06:45.771-05:002017-12-13T17:06:45.771-05:00Oh I guess I'm an idiot, so I am free point ou...Oh I guess I'm an idiot, so I am free point out that you respond robotically, without ever deviating from the Breitbart propaganda line, with baseless, conclusory Sophistry. In doing so you, per usual avoid addressing my point - that while lowering the tax rate for corporations, which includes banksters, and increases the stock market for the benefit of banksters (and others, including me), he is fulfilling his campaign promise, and is doing zilch to help the blue collar class, which "Trump has never given a shit about. One can argue, from the left, that the dems establishment is pro-globalist elitist, but the GOP, Bannon, and his minion, Trump, with this tax plan, is giving the banksters, globalists and elitists just what they want. I agreed that he is fulfilling his campaign 'promise' but the issue I raised is that by doing so, he is helping the people you seem to hate. And what is this empirical evidence? - Susan Sarandon? AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74376197735648974702017-12-13T17:04:54.612-05:002017-12-13T17:04:54.612-05:00Trump tax plan would break six of Trump’s campaign...<b>Trump tax plan would break six of Trump’s campaign promises</b><br /><br />1. Trump asserted in September 2015 that he would cut taxes for the middle class, “but for the hedge fund guys, they’re going to be paying up.” This is less in reference to income tax rates than capital gains tax loopholes. Trump promised several times to eliminate this loophole, which allows financial managers to pay taxes on their income at the capital gains tax rate, which is lower, instead of the income tax rate. He said in Iowa in 2015 that he’d take out the loophole, “and let people making hundreds of millions of dollars pay some tax, because right now they are paying very little tax.”<br /><br />The plan does not even mention the capital gains tax loophole.<br /><br /><br />5. 5. Closing loopholes<br /><br />Trump promised to close “many” business tax loopholes.<br /><br />The plan says it will “deliver fiscally responsible tax reform by broadening the tax base, closing loopholes and growing the economy.” But it fails to identify any loopholes to close. In fact, the plan appears to create a loophole that would benefit people like Donald Trump.<br /><br />https://thinkprogress.org/trump-tax-cut-plan-promises-2a474ca9729b/<br />***********************<br /><br />The flimflam man in action. Bait and switch, baby, bait and switch.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11136022871954805372017-12-13T15:13:47.346-05:002017-12-13T15:13:47.346-05:00We're all well aware of liberal talking points...We're all well aware of liberal talking points for idiots. No need to keep repeating the mantra, especially since the empirical evidence leaves no doubt as to who the banksters and globalist elites bankroll, both now and during the election campaign last year. <br /><br />The way things work (or should work anyway) is that candidates announce their platforms, one gets elected, and then his platform gets implemented. Cutting corporate tax rate was part of Trump's platform, he got elected, and now he's implementing it. <br /><br />And that's all there's to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83532799628720206642017-12-13T14:30:32.273-05:002017-12-13T14:30:32.273-05:00Mao, the primary goal of the GOP, including Trump,...Mao, the primary goal of the GOP, including Trump, is to cut taxes for the rich and then "starve the beast", cut social security, medicare etc., whether Trump is the candidate or one of the others. They all promised this, and with a majority in the House and Senate, there is nothing to stop them. The issue isn't whether Trump promised this, but whether doing it will be a net positive for the U.S or not - certainly a net positive for the banksters and globalist elitists. Whether the blue collar masses will be helped or hurt - that's a side issue for those pushing into reality their long time wet dream. AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40437458362116846492017-12-13T13:47:30.444-05:002017-12-13T13:47:30.444-05:00You can stop posting here now. Moore lost. You can stop posting here now. Moore lost. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com