tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post9148312088388167628..comments2024-03-29T02:22:59.827-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Mika and Joe provide comic relief!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57642661632182607892017-08-22T09:49:10.585-04:002017-08-22T09:49:10.585-04:00Just making fun of your occasional association fal...Just making fun of your occasional association fallacy.Gregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64259391088378802972017-08-21T15:29:28.376-04:002017-08-21T15:29:28.376-04:00Obviously, any economic policy benefits some and h...Obviously, any economic policy benefits some and hurts others. <br /><br />De-industrialization of the country, the race to the bottom in search for the cheapest labor on the planet (globalist politics) benefit capital and (arguably, for the time being anyway) the professional/managerial segment. It hurts the blue collar/ uneducated labor segment most.<br /><br />So, yeah, killing 'free trade' agreements, imposing tariffs and such - all this benefits the working class, at the expense of capital and the professional/managerial class. Of course professionals are already being gradually replaced (outsourced), and managers are not too far behind.<br /><br />I don't think 'viciously opposed' is an exaggeration, but that's obviously a judgement call.<br /><br />'Overall good' is in the eye of the beholder. Some win, some lose, and those who lose will no doubt see it negatively.<br /><br /><br />As for 'shilling for this guy' - you started well, but, alas, I see you're turning into the generic Anonymous here, already? Oh, well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75859144705145205782017-08-21T14:04:18.229-04:002017-08-21T14:04:18.229-04:00"Then I saw that NAFTA is being re-negotiated..."Then I saw that NAFTA is being re-negotiated, new tariffs imposed. I saw the war in Syria winding down. Today we'll know something about Afghanistan."<br /><br />None of this is true. These lies comes from Trump. Trump is a politician. Mao, himself says all politicians lie. Mao can defend this crap all he wants to us liberals, but I want to see him take on this Mao guy who says all politicians, including Trump lie.<br />Hopefully, it'll be a fight to death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12474196794852118662017-08-21T13:40:10.649-04:002017-08-21T13:40:10.649-04:00With these types of changes - e.g., higher tariff...With these types of changes - e.g., higher tariffs (which ones have gotten higher anyway?), renegotiating NAFTA, some benefit, some lose out. Higher tariffs - higher prices. Trump milked anti-Terrorism hysteria - number of people directly harmed by it is negligible, especially when compared to lots of other things. "Viciously" oppose or just "oppose" - you use slanted language. Is protectionism and economic nationalism the only reason, or even a reason he got elected? - how do you know? there were a lot of factors. Will the overall good outweigh the bad with tariffs and renegotiating NAFTA? - again who knows? In the meantime you seem awfully naïve in shilling for this guy.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44926356388213419462017-08-21T12:33:44.652-04:002017-08-21T12:33:44.652-04:00I don't know about any individual members, or ...I don't know about any individual members, or Trump's personal convictions; it doesn't interest me. I'm talking about political dynamics. <br /><br />The Trump campaign was about protectionism (aka economic nationalism) and isolationism (dealing with pregmatic, anti-terrorism issues, rather than 'spreading democracy' or destroying potential adversaries). <br /><br />This is why he'd won. Then I saw that NAFTA is being re-negotiated, new tariffs imposed. I saw the war in Syria winding down. Today we'll know something about Afghanistan.<br /><br />Of course this agenda is being viciously opposed, and it can be derailed in the end, but it'll only mean that the issues remain unresolved for the time being, and they'll become more critical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79496410028035187882017-08-21T12:16:27.168-04:002017-08-21T12:16:27.168-04:00Mao, you put unwarranted emphasis on my use of the...Mao, you put unwarranted emphasis on my use of the word "fully." I meant fully to the degree that you would advocate, not fully to some absolute extreme degree. You thus avoid answering my question. Who are the members of this "neocon-globalist clique?" And what makes you think Trump doesn't belong to it? - or that he opposes their interests? Isn't he just a demagogue who bamboozled his voters? He advocates loads more money for the industrial-military complex, weakening of regulation of banks, and abolishing the estate tax - how does that (and nominating reactionary Neil Gorsuch) advance the cause of fighting the globalist cabal? I doubt it does.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8262106109905327842017-08-20T18:53:57.471-04:002017-08-20T18:53:57.471-04:00Why should any intelligent person post here? Bob S...Why should any intelligent person post here? Bob Somerby never <b>reads</b> the comments — as evidenced by his repeating factual errors long after the corrections had been dutifully posted as comments by alert and earnestly helpful readers. Well... I suppose they can at least alert <b>other</b> readers to the problems.<br /><br />The fact that Somerby won't even clean out blatant spam should be a sign of how little he cares about his comment section.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71800277645973488592017-08-20T18:05:08.571-04:002017-08-20T18:05:08.571-04:00Bob, just close down he comments section. I'v...Bob, just close down he comments section. I've never seen anything intelligent posted here (unless I wrote it).Edgewisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01975570824983584330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40332838065440326752017-08-20T14:17:08.193-04:002017-08-20T14:17:08.193-04:00@ 12:48 - concern troll's concern is noted.@ 12:48 - concern troll's concern is noted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35957934228031423472017-08-20T14:06:41.842-04:002017-08-20T14:06:41.842-04:00...Dave in Cal are relentlessly and cartoonishly d...<em>...Dave in Cal are relentlessly and cartoonishly demonized as the likes of "Trumpscum," even though they often make the only insightful comments on any given day, etc.</em><br /><br />Yes, here is Comrade DinC being insightful.<br /><br />***<br /><br />David in Cal June 6, 2017 at 9:00 PM<br /><br /><em>According to liberals, Comey was<br />1. A God, when he ended the investigation of Hillary<br />2. A Demon, when he announced that new evidence might require that investigation to be re-opened.<br />3. Again a God, when Trump fired him<br /><br />If he has nothing concrete to testify against Trump, he might become a Demon again. OTOH if he has enough to justify impeaching Trump, he will become the God of all Gods.</em><br />***<br /><br />That insightful comment was made shortly after the pussygrabber fired Comey and it was revealed that pussygrabber was doing everything he could to obstruct the investigation into his treason. Comrade DinC had his panties in a bunch.<br /><br />For more insightful comments such as these, check out mr. pig vomit, rush Limbaugh, or tune into Fox NOOZ.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81830602842532013872017-08-20T12:48:20.903-04:002017-08-20T12:48:20.903-04:00Having "a junior high mentality," if he ...Having "a junior high mentality," if he does, does nothing to distinguish him from the "real" Greg. I actually felt the post above, especially given its third paragraph, vowing to look past political differences, at least where simple civility is concerned, showed more class and intelligence than either "Greg" has ever shown here before; so, of course, the "real" Greg is quick to deny any involvement with it, thus maintaining the general Bizarro World vibe of this comment section, where spellcasters ply their numinous trade, liberals dispute Bob's points (seemingly without realizing they are often corroborating and/or exemplifying them), and Mao and Dave in Cal are relentlessly and cartoonishly demonized as the likes of "Trumpscum," even though they often make the only insightful comments on any given day, etc.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197292277189338349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17958309504329904552017-08-20T12:36:50.491-04:002017-08-20T12:36:50.491-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197292277189338349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44959189548184580352017-08-20T12:35:58.797-04:002017-08-20T12:35:58.797-04:00"That said, whatever the conditions, national..."That said, whatever the conditions, national govermnent must pursue interests of its population, not the interests of global capital."<br />The problem is, the interests of global capital run our government with legal bribery and massive lobbying.<br />Trump saw it, so did Sanders and Clinton. So did millions of liberals.<br />Americans have been brainwashed into believing that Freedom, Capitalism, and Godliness are a Holy Trinity. Woe betide any apostates. <br />gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45944084250821799412017-08-20T10:51:50.514-04:002017-08-20T10:51:50.514-04:00Ha. The dark Greg, a junior high mentality that us...Ha. The dark Greg, a junior high mentality that used to pretend to defend Bob, tips his real hand here. The hard right cranks do come and go round here, but he has had a certain tenacity. Actually, liberals SOMETIMES agree that they play the race card to their own detriment. I wish they did more often, but it's hard to explain to Trumpscum like you two.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73039080805208258952017-08-19T10:24:06.522-04:002017-08-19T10:24:06.522-04:00Not "put into place FULLY", obviously: a...Not "put into place FULLY", obviously: any extreme leads to a disaster. Globalization, in one form or another, is here to stay; this is reality, technological reality, with global communications, intercontinental shipping, and so on.<br /><br />That said, whatever the conditions, national govermnent must pursue interests of its population, not the interests of global capital. <br /><br />Right now, the neocon/globalist clique is firmly in control of the government. Mr Trump came in opposing it (albeit not very eloquently), and this is, in my opinion, what this struggle is all about. It's a push back. If it fails, there will be another one, and it might be violent. One way or another, serious adjustments will have to be made. That 'change' the Obama campaign promised and failed to deliver - it'll have to happen. In my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32153408566669637002017-08-19T09:36:12.382-04:002017-08-19T09:36:12.382-04:00Mao - "Protectionism, economic nationalism, i...Mao - "Protectionism, economic nationalism, isolationism" - whether who runs on this platform wins or whether this platform improves things are two different things. How do you know that this won't lead to economic disaster, if ever put into place fully? I have never voted for a GOP president, aND VOTED FOR Clinton - but it does seem that the liberals and democrats are going off the deep end with the Russia probe and the identity politics - that doesn't mean Trump isn't worse - he is, he's a disaster for the country. AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91689916984980444712017-08-19T04:25:59.362-04:002017-08-19T04:25:59.362-04:00Thank you Mao for your advice. I may want to do th...Thank you Mao for your advice. I may want to do those things. I could always benefit from paying more attention and listening more. <br /><br />I want to wish you a good weekend and I am hoping the best for you and success in all spheres of your life. <br /><br />You and I will always be brothers and I will always love you and be there for you despite any superficial political differences. <br /><br /><br />Yours forever,<br /><br />Greg<br /><br />Gregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48601495698930152402017-08-18T23:16:40.594-04:002017-08-18T23:16:40.594-04:00"in my experience wing-nuts are nowhere as ar..."in my experience wing-nuts are nowhere as arrogant and bullying as liberals."<br /><br />So they tend to side with, not against racists. Shocking. What did you tell them, that the 2008 economic crash was caused by the CRA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75645752189427129752017-08-18T21:58:50.306-04:002017-08-18T21:58:50.306-04:00Enjoy your own peculiar brand of pig-killing Somer...Enjoy your own peculiar brand of pig-killing Somerby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41563532794776718482017-08-18T18:53:43.221-04:002017-08-18T18:53:43.221-04:00Perhaps you might want to concentrate a little les...Perhaps you might want to concentrate a little less on denouncing infidels, and pay more attention to what they're actually saying. <br /><br />If indeed both Mr Bannon and Bob are saying the same thing, then you may want to listen and consider it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75782012962011809222017-08-18T17:28:49.609-04:002017-08-18T17:28:49.609-04:00Special thoughts and condolences to our very own m...Special thoughts and condolences to our very own member of the Wrecking Crew, CMike, on what must be a very tragic day for him/her/it.Choam Nomskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60663142062897378412017-08-18T15:16:43.224-04:002017-08-18T15:16:43.224-04:00Well, Bob. Ms Bro, Heather Heyer's mother, has...Well, Bob. Ms Bro, Heather Heyer's mother, has now said she refuses to speak with Donald Trump. Uh-oh. I guess she's another one of those "broken-souled" liberals after all. <br />It seems that Mr. Somerby is saying one of two things when he accuses liberals of being "broken-souled", or whatever word he chooses on a given day...the conservatives use words like "arrogant", "elitist", "Commie", "Socialist", etc...but I digress.<br />Inferring from Somerby's blog these days, either:<br />1) conservatives should not be held to a higher standard; in other words, they are allowed to call liberals names and lie about them to their heart's content, to prevent minorities from voting, to try to legalize ramming protesters with cars, to equate Nazis with anti-Nazis, be ultra-tribalist to their heart's content, etc..and liberals have no right to respond similarly or feel offended by this; Remember the outcry against Clinton's saying 'deplorable'? My God, talk about snowflakes on the right! But libs have been called deplorable and worse for decades by Repub politicians and right-wing media elites who are far richer and more powerful than any media figure on the left; Bob pretty much never discusses abuses by the right; or<br />2) Somerby agrees with conservatives about liberals or doesn't understand the extent of the 'weaponization' of hate by the right, especially in these days of social media and the internet. The right continue to claim their 'victimization' by liberals, while owning the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and many states, and passing laws that clearly undermine free speech and full participation in our political system by members of the 'outside' (read liberals or minorities or gays or whatever nowadays).<br />To cons/Repubs, politics is an all-out war against their 'enemies', one which at the moment they are 'winning' (although it may turn out to be a Pyrrhic victory). Cons, particularly ones with political power, disdain any and all 'kum-ba-yah' attempts from the left, and simply double-down on their fascistic, tyrannical tendencies.<br />This hatred is spread by Fox News, and even in right-wing churches...right-wing pastors literally tell their flock that they must vote for Repubs, and that Democrats cannot be Christians. The power of that is unimaginable. If you think God is on your side, you are probably not willing to engage in a rational discussion.<br />To echo the words of Shylock, if you call a liberal a traitor/Commie/elitist, do we not take offense? Are libs not human beings too?<br />Can you fight all-out war with campfires and guitar strumming? <br />But go ahead and write this piffile about Mika and Joe, for the Lord's sake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71055288866597472722017-08-18T13:52:43.204-04:002017-08-18T13:52:43.204-04:00Mao - I'll pour soup on your head.Mao - I'll pour soup on your head. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50830722639319549642017-08-18T13:43:08.062-04:002017-08-18T13:43:08.062-04:00Bannon says liberals play the race card to their o...Bannon says liberals play the race card to their own detriment. Bob says liberals play the race card to their own detriment. Therefore Bob is an ex Goldman Sachs white nationalist in a J Crew hunting jacket. Gregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55027364911170806492017-08-18T13:41:00.744-04:002017-08-18T13:41:00.744-04:00Poor anon, victimised by having to (being forced?)...Poor anon, victimised by having to (being forced?) to read my comments and to reply to them. Please accept my sympathies..<br /><br />Incidentally, in my experience wing-nuts are nowhere as arrogant and bullying as liberals. They, in general, do not feel superior to anyone, their typical statement would be something like this: 'we just want to live in our communities like our parents lived, and you can do whatever you want'. However flawed it is, I find their basic message much less objectionable than liberal hatred, bullying, and arogance.<br /><br />But that's just me, YMMV...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com