tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post9164724384419394788..comments2024-03-28T14:33:44.704-04:00Comments on the daily howler: When media-amplified stampedes begin!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2200212229095669332012-08-15T12:12:09.512-04:002012-08-15T12:12:09.512-04:00Smart post admin but i think you need more explana...Smart post admin but i think you need more explanation and more Pics <br />and I hope to visit my blog and subscribe to me :)<br /><a href="http://std-symptoms.us/2012/05/scabies-clinical-manifestations.html" rel="nofollow"> Scabies </a> and <a href="http://std-symptoms.us/2012/07/pelvic-inflammatory-disease-sexually.html" rel="nofollow"> Pelvic Inflammatory Disease </a><br />STD Symptomshttp://std-symptoms.us/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69279406818678020802012-04-03T18:39:15.592-04:002012-04-03T18:39:15.592-04:00Is it funny that the last Anon didn't even loo...Is it funny that the last Anon didn't even look up the word first?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79439399579665168922012-04-01T21:30:43.610-04:002012-04-01T21:30:43.610-04:00I think it DID reach the opposite conclusion AND i...I think it DID reach the opposite conclusion AND it's still bullshit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68165149824056063512012-04-01T21:25:47.776-04:002012-04-01T21:25:47.776-04:00Yahoo News is now strongly criticizing the media. ...Yahoo News is now strongly criticizing the media. Perhaps this indicates a change in the wind:<br /><br /><i>The Trayvon Martin case has exposed some of the media's worst tendencies--selective editing, rushing to judgment, stoking anger for ratings and page views--and it's taken more than fake photos, the incendiary stumbles of Geraldo Rivera and Spike Lee and verbal clashes between Piers Morgan and Toure to shine a light on them.</i><br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-case-exposes-worst-media-210020839.htmlDavid in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16973272044599736312012-04-01T20:14:36.589-04:002012-04-01T20:14:36.589-04:00Yeah, sure. Every piece of evidence that comes out...Yeah, sure. Every piece of evidence that comes out different than Zimmerman's story is "bullshit."<br /><br />Why do I get the feeling that if the voice analysis reached the opposite conclusion, your post would have been much different'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62783481886558423902012-04-01T19:53:10.171-04:002012-04-01T19:53:10.171-04:00Let's say for the sake of argument the quack s...Let's say for the sake of argument the quack science behind the voice analysis of a comparison between a 911 call from within a home recording distant screams and a voice spoken directly into a cell phone is reliable. <br /><br />How do you get from the software pusher's online demonstration saying that an "85% or higher means there is a very, very high probability of a match" to the assertion that "48% shows to a scientific certainty it is not a match."<br /><br />Let's not even worry about the fact that there is no measure of Trayvon Martin's voice to compare it with, that Martin's father said he wasn't sure it was his son's voice but one of the "experts" in the article who has never heard Trayvon Martin's voice, or seemed to notice that Zimmerman has a high, almost effeminate voice, judged that it was a "teen" voice.<br /><br />Unfortunately this is the type of bullshit reporting that gullible rubes swallow whole without any skepticism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74257284430683119462012-04-01T19:36:55.489-04:002012-04-01T19:36:55.489-04:00Trayvon had not entered puberty at 17 and those we...Trayvon had not entered puberty at 17 and those were the screams of "a child"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91683910792292926172012-04-01T17:54:54.712-04:002012-04-01T17:54:54.712-04:00Woah, cool your jets, A. Perez. This "anonymo...Woah, cool your jets, A. Perez. This "anonymous" (the author the 11:45 a.m. post) is agreeing with you 100 percent.<br /><br />And although you didn't mention the Orlando Sentinel, your link was to the Orlando Sentinel. At least, that is where it sent me.<br /><br />I still find it ironic that the previous <br />"anonymous", after the right wing echo chamber was so quick to hail the Orlando Sentinel's reporting when they typed up the anonymous "law enforcement" version of what Zimmerman allegedly told them, cavalierly dismissed this report and the "science" behind it, as if he were in any way qualified to do so.<br /><br />And you don't have to tell me that Trayvon's father never said those cries for help didn't come from his son. My memory isn't as short as some people like it to be, and I clearly remember him saying several times that the cries for help were his son's.<br /><br />Now against that, we had the "ear" witnesses who don't know either person saying they couldn't tell which one was screaming for help (except for the one lady who said it sounded more like a child than a grown man), and who all agree that the cries for help stopped immediately after the gunshot.<br /><br />Now we have a voice analyst expert saying whoever was screaming, it wasn't Zimmerman. He can't say it was Trayvon since he doesn't have a sample of Trayvon's voice to compare it to.<br /><br />Which means we should stay tuned for the latest version of Zimmerman's story to explain away how it wasn't either guy screaming for heop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7045157656927313232012-04-01T16:33:36.903-04:002012-04-01T16:33:36.903-04:00Ok let me embarass you one final time, Anonymous: ...Ok let me embarass you one final time, Anonymous: Here is a video of Trayvon's father telling Anderson Cooper that those cries for help were Trayvon's words: http://bit.ly/H9abb6<br />Cooper asked him if he was sure that was his son's voice and he replied "I'm sure that was his voice."<br /><br />Stop spreading police department BS and be skeptical of people in power. You will never in your life show Daily Howler readers audio or video of trayvon's father telling you what the police claimed he said. I, on the other hand, showed you video/audio.A. Pereznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60112811858809249492012-04-01T16:22:57.868-04:002012-04-01T16:22:57.868-04:00Anonymous, I didn't say the Orlando Sentinel c...Anonymous, I didn't say the Orlando Sentinel cannot be trusted regarding what the father said. Did i even mention the Orlando Sentinel in this discussion? Your source is the Sanford Police, which is such a ridiculous source that you didn't want to tell our readers that they're the source.A. Pereznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16522528619187434702012-04-01T15:39:22.208-04:002012-04-01T15:39:22.208-04:00No, if our democracy is dysfunctional, it's be...No, if our democracy is dysfunctional, it's because there are a significant number of Alex Blazes and now Bob Somerbys following around that says if there are two different stories, then they are both equally possible.<br /><br />And of course, only one "side" is held to standards of perfection and precision as we parse every little word they say and especially how they say it. <br /><br />And if that side says one thing, no matter how insignificant or irrelevant to the grand scheme of things, that was embellished, not perfectly accurate, or the least bit exaggerated, that means the other side, against whom no standard of truth is applied, must be telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67672971151410692612012-04-01T15:34:40.308-04:002012-04-01T15:34:40.308-04:00Zimmerman's story. And I guess if that's w...Zimmerman's story. And I guess if that's what the live guy told the cops what happened between him and the dead guy, it must be true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2648656579071057112012-04-01T15:31:56.791-04:002012-04-01T15:31:56.791-04:00How the hell do you shoot a guy in the chest witho...How the hell do you shoot a guy in the chest without "brandishing" the gun first? Does it aim and shoot by remote control or voice command?<br /><br />I guess now you'll quibble about what "brandishing" really means?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43480040245630090862012-04-01T14:57:36.069-04:002012-04-01T14:57:36.069-04:00That's actually the attitude that Cooper takes...That's actually the attitude that Cooper takes to what he does as well: Who cares, it's not important, it's not like anyone should believe what I say anyway. Shit, I'm just a journalist, am I really obligated to tell the truth?<br /><br />And then we wonder why our democracy is dysfunctional.Alex Blazehttp://handsupgunsout.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58821261631135945412012-04-01T14:45:20.386-04:002012-04-01T14:45:20.386-04:00Isn't it amazing, A. Perez? Just a few days ag...Isn't it amazing, A. Perez? Just a few days ago, the Orlando Sentinel was one of the few newspapers who could be trusted to tell the truth about this case. Now that trust is no longer operative to the right wing echo chamber.<br /><br />And you are absolutely correct. NOBODY, including Martin's father, has said those screams were NOT Trayvon.<br /><br />We have three "ear" witnesses, two of whom say they couldn't tell who was screaming and one certain it more childlike and not the screams of a grown man, all describing screams, gunshot, utter silence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4183389438145591912012-04-01T14:26:32.156-04:002012-04-01T14:26:32.156-04:00And other than Zimmerman's Fantastic Tale did ...And other than Zimmerman's Fantastic Tale did you arrive at the conclusion he followed Martin a sort distance on foot and then just asked him a question?<br /><br />What we do know that is undisputed is that Zimmerman saw Martin walking down the street from his truck, followed him while he called 911, told the dispatcher he was getting out of his truck to confront the kid, the dispatcher clearly told him not to, and Zimmerman took the gun with him which he then used to shoot Trayvon Martin just a few moments later, seconds before the police whom Zimmerman himself called, had arrived.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58582427757565308242012-04-01T10:20:27.510-04:002012-04-01T10:20:27.510-04:00I meant "no direct source to Trayvon's fa...I meant "no direct source to Trayvon's father," not "Trayvon," im y previous post.A. Pereznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12730677992583632152012-04-01T10:13:22.319-04:002012-04-01T10:13:22.319-04:00Again, Anonymous is repeating what the Sanford Pol...Again, Anonymous is repeating what the Sanford Police (lol) said that Trayvon's father said, with no direct source to Trayvon. The same police that claimed Zimmerman was beaten bloody.A. Pereznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44890204161355137102012-04-01T10:09:44.659-04:002012-04-01T10:09:44.659-04:00You are lying about Trayvon's father saying it...You are lying about Trayvon's father saying it wasn't Trayvon's voice in the tape. Trayvon's father did not say that.A. Pereznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43532150801348953972012-04-01T01:56:00.378-04:002012-04-01T01:56:00.378-04:00'HE LOOKS BLACK': NBC LAUNCHES INTERNAL IN...'HE LOOKS BLACK': NBC LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION INTO SELECTIVE EDITING OF ZIMMERMAN POLICE TAPE<br /><br />http://www.theblaze.com/stories/he-looks-black-nbc-launches-internal-investigation-into-selective-editing-of-zimmerman-police-tape/David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90318017606961348342012-03-31T23:44:46.664-04:002012-03-31T23:44:46.664-04:00I'm surprised any reader of this blog would be...I'm surprised any reader of this blog would be anything but deeply embarrassed to cite that article. Especially since the "science" is questionable, the number 48% is meaningless without further information even if the "science" were reliable, and in light of the fact that Trayvon Martin's father told police it was not Trayvon Martin's voice crying for help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12813515529749100212012-03-31T21:59:52.546-04:002012-03-31T21:59:52.546-04:00Breaking: Two audio experts determine it was not Z...Breaking: Two audio experts determine it was not Zimmerman's voice screaming for help in 9-11 call: http://bit.ly/HtgwSxA. Pereznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63364817283212976352012-03-31T15:25:56.410-04:002012-03-31T15:25:56.410-04:00When I can, otherwise I'm glad Somerby does it...When I can, otherwise I'm glad Somerby does it for us. It is important.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57925679289449384852012-03-31T15:24:23.102-04:002012-03-31T15:24:23.102-04:00I'm saying whatever Anderson Cooper said, in t...I'm saying whatever Anderson Cooper said, in the grand scheme of things, it didn't amount to a bean, let alone a hill of them.<br /><br />Do you guys really lie awake at night like Somerby does worrying about what people say on cable TV?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71418891238775029712012-03-31T11:43:29.154-04:002012-03-31T11:43:29.154-04:00The lynch mob will default back to claiming that f...The lynch mob will default back to claiming that following someone for a short distance on foot and asking them a question represent an "attack" justifying a physical beat down even if no law in the United States supports that fantasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com