tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post9222232947913308798..comments2024-03-29T04:44:59.952-04:00Comments on the daily howler: ELITE DELUSIONS: The Times panders on!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26110854685697206292012-07-31T09:38:04.266-04:002012-07-31T09:38:04.266-04:00He said it's the dumbest campaign.
Maybe, Gr...He said it's the dumbest campaign. <br /><br />Maybe, Greg, you feel he hasn't shown that -- but you've done nothing to refute it.<br /><br />Your 12:54 was based on a complete misunderstanding. If you had some integrity, you'd retract it.<br /><br />At 7:37 you add nothing at all, except to make a new misunderstanding. It's not about making the campaign smarter. It's about the press failure to show how stupid it is. And yes, that failure does imply a collusion in keeping it stupid.<br /><br />When there are misrepresentations (as there have been) we'll expect Somerby to point them out (as he has done).<br /><br />If you have anything coherent to say about the topic of this post, yet another example of feigned but functional self-criticism from our "best" newspaper -- well, go ahead and say it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24784558755249134882012-07-30T21:43:22.713-04:002012-07-30T21:43:22.713-04:00Did you check to see if their nails were clean and...Did you check to see if their nails were clean and their shoes shined?<br /><br />I did when I hired.<br /><br />Of course, I was hiring auto mechanics, and dirty nails and scuffed shoes were an indication of someone that spent more time working than preening.<br /><br />I'm just yanking your chain, David.gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53652578933955534312012-07-30T20:32:40.641-04:002012-07-30T20:32:40.641-04:00Greg,
Your clueless ramblings are mind boggling.
P...Greg,<br />Your clueless ramblings are mind boggling.<br />Please, go away.<br /><br />Horace FeathersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55377066613031939362012-07-30T20:27:08.419-04:002012-07-30T20:27:08.419-04:00Since I wrote before Anonymous I have no idea how ...Since I wrote before Anonymous I have no idea how I "followed" up on him.<br /><br />Do you really think that Somerby is arguing that the media should be making the candidates "look smarter", rather than asserting that it should be making the public smarter as to what the candidates believe.<br /><br />Candidates like nothing better than to be unchallenged in those things, and the media is glad to cooperate in that by focusing all the attention on sideshows. <br /><br />As stubbornly superfluous a point as it is, I now see that you'd well to keep harping on how Somerby is overwrought in his superlatives as your means of having something ....to criticize. God knows you're an absolute dolt in your other interpretations.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34575595962993714092012-07-30T19:37:44.165-04:002012-07-30T19:37:44.165-04:00Howler loving Anon, you seem a formidable knave/fo...Howler loving Anon, you seem a formidable knave/fool combination, and here you excel from either viewpoint. The blog is about critiquing political writers, so it's safe to say that's what TDH is talking about when he says "campaign." OR...you raise an interesting possibility, followed up on by CeceliaMe.... are MSNBC and The New York Times really responsible for the stupidity of Mitt Romney's vision for The US? That is a far cry from what he was saying in the days of Gore, when he was rightfully incensed over the utter misrepresentation of Gore's campaign. <br /> When Political writers have said "we like a close campaign," the Daily Howler has blanched from such manipulation. Is he now saying it's The New York Times's job to make The Romney campaign SMARTER? And if that IS what the Daily Howler meant, has the Romney campaign REALLY brought down the standards of the gang who gave us Joe The Plummer? How would they do their job in making the Obama campaign smarter, other than uniformly applauding any mention of The Bain looting? <br /> It's possible that the Press insisting on what the candidates talk about rather than what they say is a big reason people hate the press. At any rate, weather you are talking about how it was covered or the campaigns themselves, to say this one is the dumbest is quite a stretch.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53260652011419069932012-07-30T18:19:45.057-04:002012-07-30T18:19:45.057-04:00The Times again illustrates Bob's point with a...The Times again illustrates Bob's point with a lenghy article about how Romney vacations. It's based on the dubious hook: "You can tell a lot about a person by the way he vacations." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/travel/2018777854_webromneyvacation29.html<br /><br />When I was hiring people, it never occurred to me to judge job candidates on how they vacationed. I naively focused on their experience, accomplishments, education, technical ability, intelligence, integrity, recommendations, etc.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46180864610287246012012-07-30T14:44:27.925-04:002012-07-30T14:44:27.925-04:00"worst"/"dumbest""worst"/"dumbest"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9713967696065525962012-07-30T14:43:09.801-04:002012-07-30T14:43:09.801-04:00It wasn't "worst campaign coverage ever.&...It wasn't "worst campaign coverage ever." It was "worst campaign ever."<br /><br />You're our Emily Litella, Greg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57110922134632990682012-07-30T13:31:29.990-04:002012-07-30T13:31:29.990-04:00And I had just made clear that I'm not "a...And I had just made clear that I'm not "above it all".<br /><br />I'm NOT shocked...nay...shocked...that you read comments as carefully as you read the blog offering.<br /><br />The point was that the candidates are quite content to allow the campaigns to be as informative as a troll on a blog board, and the media makes excuses for cooperating.<br /><br />I realize that your all-purpose argument is that there's nothing to see here...."Move along, folks"...(or more accurately--how dare a liberal have a blog that isn't the equivalent of Crooks and Liars, because anything less is tantamount to abetting the enemy) but don't you think that's it's time that you came up with something more thoughtful and compelling?CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79535555809107443312012-07-30T12:54:07.893-04:002012-07-30T12:54:07.893-04:00To start with the obvious: "The New York Time...To start with the obvious: "The New York Times is has clearly devolved into a rag hardly worth considering. Back tomorrow with more on the The New York Times!!"<br /> If you agree, and I do, that the infotainment age is a significant part of the general dumbing down of all things, then it should really surprise that the old Grey Lady has from time to time donned a lampshade to keep the party going? Howell Rains is unquestionably one of the real scoundrels of Clinton time. But should we really be surprised by any of this? <br /> The Howler's shocked reaction to the strip club story is prissy, and it's mind reading of the kind he used to disparage in reporters. Was it included to provide what might be a relevant glimpse into the nature of things in Tampa? Nah, it could only be those liberal eggheads are after poor, poor Sarah again! <br /> Much more important is TDH DEEPLY dubious contention that this has been the worst campaign coverage ever. This throws quite a bit of doubt on the things he has written about 2000, to say the least. Has their been wholesale misquoting of poor Mitt? As the TDH has admitted, they haven't really misrepresented the awfulness of his programs; but rather, in his view, played up the wrong things. Is that the same as Love Story, or Earth Tones, or WORSE? The Daily Howler would seem to say it is. <br /> Romney, of course, could seize control of his message and go over the heads of the Press Corps. Yes, this is in his power, it's exactly how Bill Clinton kept from being impeached. But TDH hasn't even attempted to argue the Mitt was misused in his hapless stumbling in London, Romney refuses to talk about some issues, has wildly flip flopped on others. Poor Mitt, it's only that they are out to get him. <br /> As to Obama, he's playing the game as it is now played: tough TV Ads. It seems to be working, we shall see. It's rough going for the "above it all" crowd (see CeceliaMe), but if he finds this worse than The Swiftboating of Kerry, I'd have to say that TDH seems to be fighting to retain it's brand, at the expense of the credibility with which some of the import work that's been done here in the past is viewed.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19054859269696728472012-07-30T12:46:56.364-04:002012-07-30T12:46:56.364-04:00We all know that the candidate that spends the mos...We all know that the candidate that spends the most money wins the election.<br /><br />We all know it's the other guy that mindlessly votes for the candidate that spends the most money, because WE make reasoned, well informed decisions based on facts proven by exhaustive research.<br /><br />Now, if we could only stop the other guy from voting...gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6239468075468433312012-07-30T10:41:58.122-04:002012-07-30T10:41:58.122-04:00Thanks for holding up the mirror, Mr Somerby.
W...Thanks for holding up the mirror, Mr Somerby. <br /><br />We...I...need it.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20729023815316785142012-07-30T10:39:18.605-04:002012-07-30T10:39:18.605-04:00I don't think there's a sophisticated anyo...I don't think there's a sophisticated anyone in the country anymore.<br /><br />We're all about sound-bites, and gaffs, and stereotypes, and heartless irony.<br /><br />No wonder political mavens now comprise personality disordered con-artist and tyrants.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.com