Regarding The Greta, no fish today!

THURSDAY, JANUARY 12, 2017

We're fact-checking Cooper v. Conway:
We expect to spend the day fact-checking this week's Wednesday night fight.

We refer to last evening's dispiriting battle between CNN's Anderson Cooper and Donald Trump's Kellyanne Conway.

To watch the tape of the fight, click here. The full interview lasted 25 minutes. Broken into chunks, it ate up most of Cooper's 8 PM hour.

Cooper and Conway were debating the accuracy of a Tuesday report by CNN. This is the way last night's battle got started:
COOPER (1/11/17): At today's press conference, [Trump spokesman] Sean Spicer conflated unsubstantiated claims that BuzzFeed released with what CNN reported [on Tuesday]. And I was surprised by that, because he said BuzzFeed and CNN made the decision to run with the unsubstantiated claim.

That's simply not true.
I mean, what CNN said is that CNN is not reporting on details of that memo, as it is not independently corroborated the specific allegations.

Do you acknowledge here and now that CNN did not release the 35-page unsubstantiated claims against Donald Trump and it was misleading and untrue for Sean Spicer to suggest otherwise?

CONWAY: No, our incoming press secretary, Sean Spicer, was exactly right, as was the president-elect, Anderson. CNN went first yesterday and BuzzFeed went second.

COOPER: We didn't report what BuzzFeed reported.

CONWAY: I didn't say that you did, but you linked to it in your story.
That chunk of transcript shows you how last night's battle started. As best we can tell, three things have already happened:
Things which have already happened:
1) Cooper has offered a fuzzy paraphrase of whatever it is Spicer said.

2) Cooper has asked a two-part question, making it easier for Conway to give him an answer she liked.

3) Conway seems to have made an inaccurate claim ("you linked to it in your story"), though we aren't yet completely sure about that.
Toward the end of his hour, Cooper devoted one segment to a discussion of this dispute. This discussion featured CNN personnel only. Whatever one thinks of Conway's performance, we thought the CNN personnel got way out over their skis at times.

Skill levels sometimes seemed low. In fairness, this shouldn't be completely surprising given the peculiar behavior these stars are now confronting.

Conway is so central to one branch of Trumpism that it might as well be called Conwayism. We expect to explore the culture of Trumpism next week.

Tomorrow, we'll finish our report on The Selling of Greta Van Susteren. Just in terms of depression abatement, on how many consecutive days can you ask a sensible person to discuss the sales job a certain unnamed cable star dumped on our heads last week?

("Greta is great! She is!")

For the transcript of Cooper's 8 PM hour, you can just click here. You'll be seeing the headlong unraveling of our failing political culture, which enters, on that videotape, into Full Babel Mode

The process which produced last night's "discussion" has been underway for 25 years. Whatever your preferences, make no mistake:

Our liberal world has played a key role in this ongoing, gruesome process.

33 comments:

  1. Every time I hear Kellyann Conway speak, I'm reminded of the line from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, to wit: McMurphy: Well I don't wanna break up the meeting or nothin', but she's somethin' of a cunt, ain't she Doc?

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    1. Hello, I am Theresa Williams After being in relationship with Anderson for years, he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to my friend and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before three days, that my ex will return to me before three days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem. email: drogunduspellcaster@gmail.com you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or any other Case.

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  2. That Kellyanne Conway does have the perfect last name for someone representing Trump, doesn't she? She spews forth more lies than a local rotary club after a liquid lunch.

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  3. Cooper's distinction doesn't work. He acknowledges that because the report was unsubstantiated it was wrong for Buzzfeed to release the whole report. The summary information that CNN released was also unsubstantiated, so it wrong for CNN to release that.

    Note that the mainstream media from the NY Times, CBS News, on down all had access to what CNN reported, but had the good judgment not to use it.

    BTW CNN's action wound up hurting CNN and strengthening Trump. A quote attributed to Tallyrand applies:
    It was worse than a crime, it was a blunder

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    1. And, the rude behavior of CNN reporter Acosta only made things worse. The President has an absolute right to choose whose question to hear. Even if it was unfair for Trump not to take Acosta's question, Acosta was obliged to shut up when he wasn't called on.

      IMHO Acosta displayed chutzpah, when he said, in effect, "CNN libeled you so take our question first."

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    2. Acosta was doing his job, in the manner in which journalists are trained. Trump was not.

      David seems to agree with Trump that when the president does something, it cannot be wrong because he is the president. That isn't how our presidency works. The President represents the people and is the servant of the people. He is not a monarch or CEO or supreme being. He owes citizens courtesy, whether they deserve it or not.

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    3. Anon 3:30 -- First of all, Trump explained that there is a federal conflict of interest law, and this law specifically does NOT apply to the President. He's right about that.

      Your main point is a good one. Most Presidents have behaved with courtesy, even when dealing with media who oppose them. You might be interested in a response to your exact point from Rush Limbaugh: Why Should Trump Show Respect to People Trying to Destroy Him? Link at https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/01/12/why-should-trump-show-respect-to-people-trying-to-destroy-him/

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    4. Rush Limbaugh wants reparations for slavery.

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    5. Trump doesn't need to answer the question of how he turned a million dollar loan into a half-billion dollars of debt, but he should be asked that question daily.

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    7. Never let the lying troll D in C frame an issue without challenge. He has been caught spreading lies and diverting the discussion with wingnut disinformation. He’s a master troll from Koch headquarters.

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    8. DinC comes to a progressive blog and quotes Rush Limpdick as some kind of authority.

      DinC now finds himself in the disorienting position of supporting a traitor attacking our own IC and sucking putin's dick.

      It is a strange strange world.

      Don't you ever fucking dare play the patriotic card again Dick in Cal. We now know you are willing to go along with treason if it allows you to deny benefits to the disadvantaged.

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    9. David, Trump is down in the polls, way down and sinking so you are completely wrong about CNN strengthening Trump. He is weak and weakening.

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  4. The Trump people are just denying the info, as they do even with true reports. Republicans are working hard to claim the material is unsubstantiated. It is not.

    The intelligence was originally uncorroborated by the FBI but that doesn't mean it is unsubstantiated. Some of it has been corroborated by as many as 4 sources. The intel comes from a highly regarded former MI-6 agent tasked with investigating FIFA and known to be a reliable agent, whose other intel has been substantiated. Others sources support much of the content of the 35-page memo. As Kevin Drum notes, it was considered strong enough to request a warrant for follow-up. This is not "probably wrong" as Drum initially said, and it is not "disinformation" as Matthews claimed.

    Trump should answer the individual charges in it and he and his team should be investigated on the basis of the intel in hand. That should have happened before the election but didn't, for obvious political reasons. It needs to happen now.

    It is untenable to have a Russian agent as President. It is no better if he is so badly compromised that his decisions cannot be trusted.

    Arguing about CNN and Buzzfeed ignores the substance of the report. That should be everyone's focus right now.

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    1. He wasn't acting as an agent he was a political sewer dweller hired to find people to make claims against Trump. A "failed spy" in Trump shorthand. Hired first by Republicans and then bought by Democrats. Trump did answer the questions by completely dismissing the trash that the left is interested in. If they are that hard up for perversion and compromising actions they should read about what happened in the president's office in the 90's.

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    2. Do you brush your teeth with vodka?

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    3. 2:09 its looking pretty clear Trump is heavily influenced by the Russians if not owned by them. You dismiss this out of partisanship, that is breathtaking in its nuttiness. You have zero credibility.

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  5. "Our liberal world has played a key role in this ongoing, gruesome process"

    Our liberal world is designed to help the forces of plutocracy. Inequality grew and plutocracy was strengthened under both Bill Clinton and Obama.

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