Now he belongs to the ages: We'll admit that we're never glad to hear that someone is going to prison.
That said, Roger Stone has been sentenced to forty months, pending a possible retrial or pardon. Now it falls to our tribal tribunes to explain why his sentence was so light.
For what it's worth, Stone has always seemed a little bit nutty. He has a tattoo of Nixon on his back, and things go sideways from there.
Almost everyone seems to be crazy now. But long ago, long before crazy was cool, Stone was already like this.
Originally, the Justice Department recommended a sentence of 7-9 years. On cable, this made our liberal hearts glad.
One day later, the DOJ scaled that back, suggesting 3-4 years. On cable, we were told this was much too soft, and that Judge Amy Berman Jackson was a strong-willed, non-nonsense judicial performer.
Now, the no-nonsense performer has given Stone a sentence which lands right in the middle of that amended range. Our tribunes have some explaining to do, though they'll surely be up to the challenge.
In this matter, as in everything else, whatever you've heard has almost surely been narrative. It's all tribal talking points now. We can't tell you where to go to get an unbiased, information-based perspective on this or on anything else.
We haven't read Jackson's full statement yet. For now, we'll offer what follows.
According to the Washington Post, Jackson said the following in her statement today:
WEINER, ZAPOTOSKY AND JACKSON (2/20/20): In a lengthy speech before imposing the penalty, Jackson seemed to take aim at Trump, saying that Stone “was not prosecuted for standing up for the president; he was prosecuted for covering up for the president.” She also appeared to call out Attorney General William P. Barr, whose intervention to reduce career prosecutors’ sentencing recommendation she called “unprecedented.” But she said the politics surrounding the case had not influenced her final decision.If that report is accurate, Jackson said Barr's conduct was "unprecedented." But in this morning's Washington Post, George Terwilliger seems to say something different:
TERWILLIGER (2/20/2020): I served in the Justice Department for 15 years, half of that time as a career prosecutor. From time to time, I was overruled on decisions involving my cases. My judgment was better for the benefit of oversight and supervision, including from the politically appointed U.S. attorney. Whether direction came from even higher authority is unknown to me, but if it did, I would see it no differently. That is how a chain of command must work.Terwilliger goes on from there. Overall, he seems to offer quite a bit of detail.
I also served in a Republican administration as deputy attorney general and acting attorney general. In that capacity, I recall no one decrying interference when I overruled the recommendation of line prosecutors and the department’s criminal division that a then-sitting U.S. senator should be indicted. He was a Democrat. I also approved the prosecution of another sitting senator. He was a Republican. Those matters came up through the bureaucracy because they were highly visible and politically controversial.
[...]
The decisions of the dedicated professionals who are the heart and soul of the department merit respect and a substantial degree of deference. But those decisions must also be subject to review. The higher the profile of a case, the more deserving it is of high-level attention, because the public will measure the department by its actions in such matters.
Is there an actual disagreement here, or just the appearance of same? At this point, we can't say. We can offer this embarrassing fact:
Jackson's decision put her in agreement with Barr's amended recommendation, not with the original recommendation which he overruled.
We can't tell you if Jackson and Terwilliger actually disagree on this matter. We can tell you this:
Whatever you hear on cable today will be sifted through the tribal blender. Almost everything you hear at this point is narrative all the way down.
Stone has always had a screw loose. Barr's amended recommendation said he deserved imprisonment.
It's also true that you're being propagandized almost any time you dial up "cable news." A lot of product is being sold as you're told that the cable talkers are a collection of "friends." Beyond that, a lot of the people you see on your screen are living inside some political, professional or social bubble.
Especially on MSNBC, everyone will agree on every point. Alternate viewpoints will almost never be heard.
Stone has always seemed to have a screw loose. The larger question we face is this:
How did our liberal team ever reach the point where we could lose an election to Donald J. Trump? Also, how does the world actually look to the 63 million people who voted the way we didn't?
More on that last question tomorrow. For tonight, let the tribal framing begin!
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ReplyDeleteNo. The revised sentencing memo DID NOT specify a range. *Barr* himself stated this range. That is an important distinction.
“the no-nonsense performer has given Stone a sentence which lands right in the middle of that amended range.”
These are the details of the sentence:
“Stone was given 40 months on count one (obstruction of proceeding), 12 months on counts two through six (making false statements), which will be served concurrently, as well as 18 months for count seven (witness tampering), also served concurrently,”
Adding it all up, it’s 70 months, of which 30 are to be concurrent.
Somerby says:
“Stone has always had a screw loose. “
That’s funny. Judge Jackson didn’t mention that. She did say this:
“He [Stone] was not prosecuted, as some have claimed, for standing up for the president. He was prosecuted for covering up for the president.”
This puts Mr Barr in a bit of a bind. He said in his confirmation that pardoning someone because of their false testimony is obstruction.
What will he say when Trump pardons Stone?
"This puts Mr Barr in a bit of a bind"
DeleteWhy, because Barry-appointed dembot-judge said something?
Yeah, right. That'd be a Bombshell, Beginning of The End, Walls Closing In.
Get real, dembot.
"Get real" is right.
DeleteJudges appointed by Democrats have no standing in a Right-wing world.
Neither do minorities.
Mao, your are so Goebbelsian. What evidence do you have that there is any relevance that "Barry" [sic] appointed her or that she is a "dembot" [sic] or that her political party had anything to do with the sentence, or that her comment was out of line? The replacement US Attorney advocated the sentence that the judge handed down.
DeleteAnon 3:36 - It's a nonsequitur - TDH says Stone always had a screw loose - a valid observation - and the judge making that other statement about why he was prosecuted. One thing had nothing to do with the other. You'd hardly expect a judge to state that a defendant had a "screw loose" in these circumstances. And the sentences being concurrent, he was sentenced to 40 months, not 70.
DeleteOh dear. The dembot-judge's comment "he was prosecuted for covering up for the president" is a plain garden variety meaningless word-salad dembottery.
DeleteBut for the Kool-Aid-drinking dembots like yourself, what she said come across, without a doubt, as god's honest truth.
Consequently, dear dembot, I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree.
This is terribly unfair.
DeleteHillary Clinton commits no crimes, is investigated, isn't charged, isn't found guilty, and she gets no prison time.
Roger Stone, obstructs an ongoing investigation for the President, is charged, is found guilty in a court of law, and he gets 40 months prison time.
Wah, wah,, liberal media, dembottery, whining, zombie, pooh-pooh head, word salad.
Consequently, Mark, we can agree that Donald J. Trump stiffing his contractors for 4+ decades, cheating on his taxes, paling around with pedophiles like Epstein and Dershowitz, and being charged with discriminating against black people in his businesses, makes him the perfect President for an amoral dumpster fire that is modern Conservative movement.
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Mao, per usual, total deflection - no evidence provided backing up your slur. What she said is meaningless to me, by the way, so if it's the God's honest truth or not, I wouldn't know. Enjoy your weekend.
DeleteWhat? The dembot-judge declares that "he was prosecuted for covering up for the president", and it's me who must provide evidence?
DeleteWe appreciate your clowning, dear dembot, keep it going.
I'd have you read the court transcript, Mark, but it's written above 2nd Grade level, so no Trump fan can figure out what it means.
DeleteRoger Stone is not a "sitting Senator" or anything close to it. He is one of Trump's minions and Trump was interfering in order to protect him (and to conceal his own wrongdoing). There is no parallel between the situation described by Terwilliger and Stone's case.
ReplyDeleteIt may be that everything we hear on cable news is propaganda, but it is the job of the listener to sort that out. There is no requirement that any station present whatever Somerby would consider unbiased (assuming Somerby is capable of such a judgment). I would not want to live in a society where whatever is presented on a news show is defined as truth. When everything is potentially biased in some way, then the listener must think about content and bias. That is how is should be.
It makes my skin crawl whenever Somerby tries to tell us what to think about cable news. If he thinks it is false, he should focus on telling us about the falsehoods, not tells us simply that the news is false. He doesn't do that much, just going through the motions most often, but he does spend a lot of time ranting about propaganda. I find that unconvincing.
Here is the conservative meme that Somerby advances with today's post. First, he tells us that we cannot trust the press, advancing Trump's assertion that it is all fake news. Second, he calls Stone "crazy," as if that excused anything he has done. This is similar to his defense of Trump, who he similarly calls mentally ill. Yet Stone did not present an insanity defense and I doubt it would have helped if he had done so. But this does minimize his felonies -- portraying him as an eccentric who got on the wrong side of propriety. Trump followers love it when he gives the finger to conventionality and ignores expectations. Somerby presents Stone as just another "character" who doesn't know how to behave like a politician (which Trump's base considers a strength). Third, you must believe that Trump did something wrong in order to understand how Stone lied to the court and to investigators, threatened witnesses and so on. You won't believe in a cover up if you don't believe in the crime. Somerby doesn't consider Stone a criminal, so he sees this sentencing not as an aspect of justice, but as a partisan game. That's how conservatives view the liberal "attack" on Trump and his criminal associates -- partisanship.
This is why it is so obvious that Somerby is no liberal.
This is why it is so obvious that Somerby is no liberal.
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I have spent time detailing the lies, specious reasoning, baseless mind reading, and the general cluelessness of this poster, and quite frankly I’m embarrassed that it took so long for the penny to drop.
Begone troll!
The tell for me is always right near or at the end, "Somerby is no liberal" or a nearly identical phrase. D'yas think this might be the same person who always describes Somerby as a misogynist?
DeleteLiked the essay by Bob.
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Way to avoid dealing with anything the commenter said!
DeleteDeadrat is a total idiot. No one cares what you think gaywad.
DeleteThe commenter is a troll. I don't "deal" with anything that Mao says either.
DeleteClaiming that Somerby isn’t a liberal doesn’t make the commenter @5:30 a troll. The commenter was responding to Somerby’s post, raising specific objections.
DeleteOn the other hand, the one exhibiting troll-like behavior is deadrat, hijacking the discussion, hurling insults, refusing to engage with the commenter, and making it all about him/her/itself.
What makes @5:30 a troll are the lies, deliberate specious reasoning, baseless mind reading, and the overall general cluelessness.
DeleteThere are no “specific objections.” Just general mewling: “I would not want to live in a society where blah, blah, blah.”
“It makes my skin crawl whenever blah, blah, blah.”
“I find that unconvincing.” Blah, blah, blah.
I have engaged with this troll far too often. Mostly on the troll’s claim that TDH approves of Roy Moore’s dating underage girls. This post’s lie is “Somerby doesn't consider Stone a criminal.” Of course, nothing in the blog entry suggests that a person convicted of criminal offenses isn’t a criminal.”
This conservative troll is trying to define who is and isn’t a liberal. And conservative trolls don’t get to do that.
So, tell me @10:42, are you the self-same troll hiding behind Anonymity? Nothing I’ve written has the capacity to “highjack” a discussion; nothing I’ve written is a personal insult; nothing I’ve written is about me beyond my comments on this blog, and pointing out a conservative troll on this blog is a public service.
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Delete"I have engaged with this troll far too often."
DeleteWe know, loser.
"nothing I’ve written is a personal insult"
DeleteExcept the incessant speculation about the commenter's SAT scores and reading comprehension...
I've always been amazed that anyone could be as idiotic as anon 5:30 p.m. But deadrat's theory that she is a "conservative" troll might make some sense, as how can you explain someone being so nonsensical?
DeleteI'll cop to the snark, @9:46A, but these aren't gratuitous insults, and they're not "speculation." They're the result of taking a commenter at face value. If a commenter consistently can't get analogies straight, how well could they do on the analogy section of a standardized test? If a commenter consistently claims false things about simple written passages, what do you conclude about their reading comprehension? You want examples of meaningless personal insults? Just read this subthread.
DeleteBut if it makes you feel any better, I retract all such comments. I believe the apparent cluelessness is deliberate, just trollish behavior designed to get a response. It's as futile to ask why this commenter makes no sense as it does to ask why Mao posts his brand of nonsense. Trolls gotta troll.
deadrat may be correct that Somerby is a liberal, but Somerby's incessant repeating of Right-wing grievances on TDH, isn't doing deadrat any favors.
Delete@deadrat
DeleteWhen Mao calls liberals “dembots” or “zombies”, he is actually restating *exactly* what Somerby believes: that one liberal represents all liberals. It’s as simple as that.
And the trolling continues @11:10A. Now the troll concedes that TDH may indeed be a liberal, but the kind of liberal who believes things that no liberal would endorse.
DeleteBegone troll!
@11:22, you understand your comment makes no sense, right? When Mao call liberals names, he's saying that they operate with no ability to think. When TDH indicts the "tribe" for adopting or not disavowing views adopted by some faction, he's saying the group either agrees with or isn't engaged enough to disagree with views he dislikes. Mao is trying to get a rise out of people by calling them brain dead. TDH is claiming that liberals' reasoning leads them astray. TDH may be right or wrong, but Mao is always a troll.
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I just want to share my experience with the entire world on how i got my husband back and saved my marriage… I was married for 5 years with 2 kids and i have been living happily with my family until things started getting ugly with me and my husband that leads us to fights and arguments almost every time… it got worse at a point that my husband filed for divorce… I tried my best to make him change his mind & stay with me cause i loved him with all my heart and didn't want to loose my husband but everything just didn't work out… He moved out of the house and still went ahead to file for divorce… I pleaded and tried everything but still nothing worked. The breakthrough came when someone introduced me to this wonderful, great spell caster called Dr Oniha, Who eventually helped me out… I have never been a fan of things like this but just decided to try it because I was desperate and left with no choice… He did the spell for me and things really work out as he promise and my husband have a change of mind and come back home to stay with me and the kids. And promise never to hurt me again. we are living happily as it was with the help of Dr Oniha. If you are in need of help you can contact Dr Oniha.
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I was depressed when i found out that my husband was avoiding me and hardly give the kids his time, always giving different excuse for not making up for the lost time. for know good reason not even when am still very much attractive, I was devastated, heartbroken, i pleaded with him to consider the kids but he never payed any attention to what i was saying which was unusual of my husband this prompted me to seek for help because the memory of all the amazing moment we had together and am still so much in love with him even with his infidelity i still loved, cherished and respect him for being there for me when i had know one which made me seek solution from close relatives and few friends of mine and thank goodness for a friend helped and at first i was really scared not because of anything but i was afraid of hurting my husband but the spell caster who specializes in love spell to bring back your husband/wife ,ex, gambling luck, wealthy life spell, protection spell and all kind of spell, he assured me of his safety and that was how i got my husband back, am sorry for the poor expression of myself because of how joyous and happy I'm, i know how wrong it's to post this but i have to because i promised him(spell caster)that i will testify to his good work if my husband returns to me and kids, and that's what am doing regardless of how improper it's, am posting it to testify to Dr Oboite Zazabo wonderful work in my marital life and also for women going through similar situation in the universe, You can contact him through this means, email Droboitezazabo@gmail.com or what is app +1 (319) 246 2035.....
My husband and I have been married for over 10 years. We met when I was 18 and he was 21. We’ve been through a lot emotionally together. There were several HUGE fights and painful situations in our marriage, but we always seemed to come out stronger on the other side. Out of the blue my husband just sprung the divorce talk on me, I was totally depressed until I found Dr.Todd website online and I ordered for a Love spell. You won’t believe my husband called me at the exact time this spell caster finished his spell work in 48hrs. I was totally amazed! He is wonderful and his spells work so fast. His Email: manifestspellcast@ gmail. com manifestspellcast.wordpress.com
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I want to thank of great Dr. Todd he brought my boyfriend back to me. i had seen many people to get him back but nothing, Dr. Todd gave me a consultation and told me all truth, and I trusted Dr. Todd and had him do the spells for me. it took awhile because it was very very messy between us. i had to wait for each spell to do its work. but once the last spell finally was working and the other spells had worked, that is when he called. we met. then it took many more meetings. but now we are back together and i can only thank Dr. Todd, he is the greatest, i will come to Dr. Todd for life. Todd took care of me like family. contact; manifest spell cast @gmail. com manifestspellcast.wordpress.com WhatsApp:+1 604 901 9747
ReplyDeleteI read some of DR padman testimonies about how he helped many people bring back their lovers in 3 days with a love spell. I was having problem with my boyfriend so I decided to contact him because I love my boyfriend so much. he left home and said he is not interested in the relationship anymore for no reason, i was in shock. I contacted DR Padman and he told me that my boyfriend would come back to me in the next 3 days, DR padman made a love spell and this made my boyfriend eye open to see how much we love each other and he came back home. As I write this testimony, I am the happiest girl on earth. my boyfriend and I are living a happy life and our love is now stronger than it was before we broke up. All thanks to DR padman for the excessive work he did for me, helping me get back with my boyfriend. if you are facing any relationship problem and want a quick solution contact DR Padman on Email: padmanlovespell@yahoo.com
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