NORMAL AND NOT: This morning, we saw Blue America die!

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2025

It happened on Morning Joe: We apologize for briefly returning to a certain famous text. But in Book VI of the Iliad, Hector, the noble Trojan prince, gives voice to a chilling prophecy.

He's speaking to his sister, Cassandra. According to Greek mythology, it was she who was "fated by [Apollo] to utter true prophecies but never to be believed."

This time, it was her brother, Hector, who spoke:

"The day will come when sacred Troy must die."

So the noble Prince Hector said.

This morning, we ourselves had the misfortune of seeing, with something resembling a startling clarity, that our own sacred Blue America seems to be fated to die. We saw it as watched the first hour of Morning Joe, and then as we gaped at fifteen more minutes after that.

Several ironies obtain. One irony would be this:

On average, the smartest discussions in all of American cable news take place during Morning Joe's first hour. More specifically, we refer to the discussions of world affairs which routinely take place at that time.

Typically, those discussion involve Richard Haass, former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Washington Post's deeply experienced David Ignatius. 

Back in February, Admiral Stavridis "shifted his flag," leaving NBC for CNN, where he now serves as senior military analyst. Despite his unfortunate absence from Morning Joe, the program's serious conversations continue.

They're easily the smartest conversations in daily cable news. The existence of these serious discussions has created one of the several sick pleasures available to the "cable news" watcher—the chance to see a never-ending assortment of flyweights, stumblebums, dumbbells and stooges over at the Fox News Channel as they batter the Morning Joe program around for its alleged major dumbness.

Frequently, the D-minus students support their claims through the use of videotape clips which have been edited down past the point of recognition.  We've often groaned at such ludicrous conduct. 

This morning, we saw the worm turn.

We refer to the way the Morning Joe gang ignored the elephant in the room—the news event which was being  discussed when we briefly flipped over to Fox & Friends at 6:06 a.m. It's had to be dumber than the Fox & Friends show, but Morning Joe accomplished that feat today by an enormous margin.

The regular friends were on duty today. One extremely dumb thing was said as we  watched—but Ainsley quickly stepped in to correct the groaner. 

Let's say the three friends' names:

Fox & Friends: September 10, 2025
Lawrence Jones: co-host, Fox & Friends
Ainsley Earhardt: co-host, Fox & Friends
Brian Kilmeade: co-host, Fox & Friends

Steve Doocy has been dispatched, apparently for being too soft. But when we flipped over, the friends were discussing the remarkable news event which the New York Times was reporting at length in today's print editions:

A Fatal Stabbing on a Train in Charlotte Ignites a Firestorm on the Right

The video, captured by a security camera in Charlotte, N.C., shows a 23-year-old woman named Iryna Zarutska sitting on a light-rail train one night in late August, dressed in the uniform of the pizza parlor where she worked.

She is looking at her phone when suddenly, a man sitting behind her stands up, gripping a knife in his raised right hand. Moments later, the police say, he stabbed and killed Ms. Zarutska, a Ukrainian refugee, in what appeared to be a random and unprovoked attack.

The police arrested Decarlos Brown Jr. soon after and charged him with first-degree murder. But the brutal killing did not capture widespread attention until the security footage was released on Friday, at which point it became an accelerant for conservative arguments about crime, race and the perceived failings of big-city justice systems and mainstream news outlets in the Trump era.

That's the way the news report starts. It didn't appear on the Times front page. Instead, it was a lengthy report inside the paper's National section—but if you were watching Morning Joe, none of this has ever occurred.

Full disclosure! The Times is already being criticized for the framework it dropped on these events. The criticism starts with that headline. For ourselves, we can't say that the criticisms are totally wrong. 

In our view, the report in the Times had clearly gone off the rails right here, in just the fourth paragraph of the lengthy report:

The outrage over the Charlotte killing is a part of a pattern in which President Trump and his allies highlight horrific crimes to bolster their case that the country is plagued by “American carnage,” as Mr. Trump put it in his first inaugural address, despite statistics that show crime is dropping. In Charlotte, overall crime was down by 8 percent in the first half of this year compared with the same period last year, according to the police, while violent crime was down by 25 percent.

We Blues! We instantly run to that "crime was down by 8 percent" framework. In other words, our instinctive reaction is this:

It was even worse last year!

That's our tribe's scripted reaction! Except on the Morning Joe show, where they talked and talked, then talked and talked, about everything except this event.

They talked about the Red Sox and Yankees—did so two separate times. Starting at 6:27, they burned a full seven minutes away with an inane discussion, full of convivial tribal laughter, about Mika's inane appearance on Andy Cohen's inane podcast.

(That foolishness involved an inane discussion about a pointless practical joke performed by Howard Stern.)

They kept burning time in such ways. We viewers even got to learn what Mike Barnicle thinks about Pedro Martinez!

Starting at 6:56, four additional minutes were burned away in an inane discussion about the way Siri's performance has allegedly flagged of late. Then it was on to the first excerpts from Kamala Harris' forthcoming book—a perfectly serious news topic, except on a morning when the program was working extremely hard to avert its gaze from the elephant in the room.

In fairness,  let's be fair:

The program had started with one of those serious discussions. After a few minutes of Red Sox chatter, the discussion concerned yesterday's attack inside Doha by the Israeli air force.

That discussion continued until 6:17. At that point, the serious discussion continued, switching over to this startling new topic:

Poland Says It Shot Down Russian Drones That Entered Its Airspace

Those serious discussions continued until 6:24 a.m. At that point, Mika teased a discussion concerning Howard Lutnick—but after a commercial break, the gang burned a bunch of time away, chuckling and laughing about that nonsense involving Howard Sterm.

The gang was really enjoying itself by this time. On this campus, we thought we were seeing the ongoing process by which our tribunes in Blue America have been working to let our sacred nation die.

As that New York Times report continues, so does that possible impulse. It should be noted, at this point, that President Trump has already said this about the murder in Charlotte:

‘Stop This Madness’: Trump Calls For ‘Vicious’ Law And Order After Charlotte Train Murder

President Donald Trump on Tuesday called for law and order to counteract the “senseless crime” infecting Democrat-run cities like Charlotte, North Carolina, where the president said liberal policies allowed a “deranged monster” to recently slaughter Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska aboard a train.

“We cannot allow a depraved criminal element of violent repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country,” Trump said. “We have to respond with force and strength. We have to be vicious, just like they are. It’s the only thing they understand.”

And so on from there. 

We have to be vicious, just like [the criminals] are? That strikes us as very unwise.

That strikes us as an example of a possible disorder—one we Blues have agreed to ignore. On Morning Joe, the reaction was to pretend that none of this has even occurred.

As for the New York Times, its lengthy report about this killing was full of information. That said, the report also slipped away to this familiar framing—to this familiar plea for Blue America's death:

The idea that mainstream news outlets downplay crimes committed by Black people has become more of a talking point in some conservative circles in recent years. The critique has emerged even as liberal critics of the news media have argued that crime coverage by American news outlets is distorted by anti-Black bias.

In North Carolina, as in other Southern states, newspapers in the Jim Crow era often egregiously exaggerated stories about Black criminality. Among other things, such stories served as a precursor to a white supremacist uprising in Wilmington, N.C., in 1898, in which at least 60 Black men were killed.

Sad. Our Blue elites insist on talking about what the deplorables did in 1898. We can't seem to quit this self-defeating practice, which seems to emerge from a desire to signal our own (non-existent) Blue American moral greatness.

We simply can't stop doing these things! Through these behaviors, we continue to light the way to Blue America's possible death.

This morning, the three friends had it right! A million very serious questions are raised by that murder in North Carolina. Could the talk about the Red Sox wait? How about all the joking around about Siri, and also about Howard Stern?

On Joe, they preferred to laugh about Stern. This was an insult to the American public interest. In our view, it displayed an instinct for the impending death of our own sacred Troy.

Some Blues will be inclined to insist that what we're saying is wrong. We'll then want to turn back to the birthday book. In fairness, that's an actual serious topic, until we Blues beat it to death.

Sadly, the impulse to fiddle while sacred Troy burns is the most normal thing in the world. In 1990, Professor Knox described the lesson Greek citizens drew from the Iliad:

No civilization, no matter how rich, no matter how refined, can long survive once it loses the power to meet force with equal or superior force.

After ten years, the Trojans succumbed to the weapons of Bronze Age war. The final line of the Fagles translation is this:

Such was the burial of Hector, breaker of horses.

Eventually, the more civilized Trojans succumbed to the weapons of Bronze Age war. We Blues seem to be looking for ways to lose an Information Age war, in which the weapons are vastly different.

Mika had a lot of laughs with Andy Cohen. So they said today, on Morning Joe, as our sacred Troy burned!

Final point:

It's no longer 1898. We need to stop hiding behind that.

Tomorrow: Whatever's next

44 comments:

  1. Fuck Trump's feelings.

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  2. REPUBLICANS POUNCE MEME
    The phrase "Republicans pounce" is a term used by some conservative commentators in the United States to illustrate media bias against Republicans and conservatives. These commentators have argued that journalists downplay controversies and potentially negative stories about Democrats, liberals, and progressives by emphasizing the Republican or conservative response, rather than the negative aspects of the stories themselves.


    Sure enough the Times focuses on a "Firestorm on the Right," rather than the flaws in liberal policies that allowed this to happen.

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    1. Wait until David in Cal finds out the media refrains from discussing how raising taxes fights inflation.
      He's going to be so mad, he'll call for some minority to be locked-up over it.

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    2. "the flaws in liberal policies that allowed this to happen"

      Which flaws, David? The decision not to hold a man in jail on charges of "abuse of the 911 system"? Sentencing a convicted armed robber to a term shorter than life without parole?

      Or maybe the flaw that "allowed this to happen" is one in which mental health care falls to the bottom of our list of concerns because it's expensive, intrusive, and relies on the imperfectly reliable judgments of medical professionals?

      I'd go with that last one, myself. If you like, we can discuss whether liberals or conservatives bear more of the fault for that one.

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    3. Oh, and the "pounce" thing? You should have read a little farther:

      According to an analysis by Washington Post reporter Aaron Blake, the use of the "pounce" framing "appears to be pretty bipartisan in its implementation." Searching U.S. newspapers and wire services between 2010 and 2019, Blake found 1,732 instances of Democrats or liberals "pouncing," versus 1,427 instances of Republicans or conservatives doing the same. However, he cautioned that this approach had several limitations: it did not survey cable news; it did not include similar verbs such as "seize on"; and it did not assess the severity of the controversy being "pounced" upon.[

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    4. Quaker - I cannot debate the specific blame for Brown being free. I do not know enough about all of Brown's past arrests and how they were handled. I do know that Dem cities have more violent crime than Rep cities. One factor is the attitude of some of Dem leadership IMO. Offered federal help to reduce crime, the Mayor of Chicago actively opposes this. That's nuts. It's like a drowning man saying he will do everything in his power to prevent the lifeguard from helping him.

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    5. It's like the felon in the WH tossing an anchor to a drowning person, Dickhead in Cal. Go fuck yourself straight to fucking hell.

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    6. "I do know that Dem cities have more violent crime than Rep cities."

      You do? What's the evidence?

      "Offered federal help to reduce crime, the Mayor of Chicago actively opposes this."

      He was "offered" deployment of National Guard troops from other states to do...something? Landscaping, maybe?

      You make a couple of Knievel quality leaps there, David. First, the country has laws about using the military for domestic law enforcement. Second, you assume that their mere presence in the city--somewhere, who knows where--would have an impact.

      Please stop pulling stuff outta there.

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  3. The murder of Ms. Zarutska was sudden, random, and horrifying.

    But in a nation of more than 300 million souls, murders happen daily. Some--like the stalking and murder of healthcare CEO Brian Thompson--are widely covered by national news outlets. Most, though, don't warrant discussion outside the locality where they occur.

    Somewhere, actual humans weigh the impact of these violent crimes and make judgments about whether to devote part of the limited airtime available on a cable talk show to these murders. Generally, the answer is: No, this crime, horrible as it may be, is not newsworthy to an audience spread across all the states.

    But sometimes a crime is of national concern. Today, Your Gracious Host lashes the team at Morning Joe for blowing the call. They didn't talk about a murder in North Carolina--but Fox did!

    Did Joe and Mika call it wrong? Maybe. So far, though, Your Gracious Host (and many commenters) avoid the pertinent evaluation: what makes a crime story of national interest? Does the death of young Ms. Zarutska meet those criteria?

    No, no. We don't discuss that. Instead, we talk about the race and mental health of the accused killer, the party affiliation of the mayor or the governor of the jurisdiction in which the crime occurred, the reaction of the "D-minus" team on Fox, and the bellowing threats streaming from the White House.

    Are these the things that make Ms. Zarutska's sad death worthy of national discussion? I say these considerations aren't about the victim at all.

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    1. I agree, Quaker. Both sides do it. E.g., Trayvon Martin, George Floyd, Michael Brown, Matthew Shepard

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    2. Still avoiding the question, David? Why does the killing of Ms. Zarutska's warrant national media coverage when so many other murders that happen every day in this country simply don't?

      Tell me.

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    3. Quaker - I agree with you. This single murder doesn't deserve national media coverage. Neither did the killings of Martin, Floyd, Brown and Shepard. In all these cases a single death was used to exemplify a general problem.

      And, how else could it be? "A Single Death Is a Tragedy; A Million Deaths Is a Statistic." In order to focus America on homophobic attacks, individual atrocities must be used. If someone just said "X black men were killed by police", that would not have the impact of Floyd's murder.

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    4. Here in Portland a 22 year-old killed his mother and ten year-old sister before killing himself. I haven't seen anything in the national news about this tragedy.
      Having said this, I get it that horrific random acts of violence on public transportation do leave an indelible impression and scare the public. Setting David's apropos of nothing collection of names aside -- which, by the way, is both dumb and offensive -- most of us who use public transportation are concerned about things like that. I remember when back in the 90's a mentally disturbed man, Andy Goldstein (or something along those lines) pushed a young woman in front of the subway train. It did create a conversation around mental illness and proper ways of dealing with people experiencing acute psychotic breakdowns.
      I fear that, given propensities of the current administration, we are not going to have a rationale discussion on this topic.

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    5. She was a hot young Ukrainian white girl. Appeals to all the old bald dickheads in California beating off to dreams of a mail order bride to replace their current old battle ax bride. This negro thug took her away from them. Flap flap.

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    6. "I agree with you. This single murder doesn't deserve national media coverage."

      You're not agreeing with me because I never offered an opinion about that. I only asked the question. (Personally, I could point to several reasons why this could be a national news story--but my reasons would be different from others'.)

      Also, you've changed your tune. Yesterday, you were faulting media outlets for their neglect of the story. Today, you say it doesn't warrant their attention.

      Why is that, David?

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    7. Fuck off flip flopping lying fascist supporter of children being raped, David in Cal.

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    8. Fuck off flip flopping lying fascist supporter of children being raped, David in Cal.

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    9. But it’s just nonsense that no one outside of Fox News cover this. It was all over ABC NBC CBS evening news, it’s in the Washington post—it’s everywhere. This nonsense that the main stream media won’t cover it is beyond stupid. And of course the implication is that because the assailant was a black man, the main stream media won’t cover it, because black lives matter and all of that fucking bullshit. it’s all talking points from the republican party and Somerby goes right along every single damn time.

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  4. White House spokesperson Caroline Leavitt, today:
    "These are the bad guys that we are picking up in Washington DC every day. The president would love to do this in every Democrat-run city across the country."

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    1. Ken's I was a violent criminal I would move to a red city where my violent criming is appreciated.

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    2. A lot of people are being murdered, particularly in Dem cities. Trump says he wants to do something about it, just like he succeeded in doing in DC.

      I think the majority of Americans would agree with me that this is a praiseworthy goal.

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    3. The majority of Americans agree that DiC is a fascist asshole.

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    4. Tell the fucking corrupt grifting felon in the WH if he wants to help, figure out a way to help legally, and stop abusing the military for your own corrupt purposes. OK, Dickhead in Cal, you fucking fascist freak?

      Everyone who believes King Orange Chickenshit is sincerely trying to help Dem cities deal with crime, please stand on your head and I will spit out golden nickels for you to catch in your mouths.

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    5. A lot of people are murdered everywhere in this country, David. Somehow it's only the murders in specific jurisdictions that constitute an emergency.

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    6. Crime in Chicago is at a horrific level, but it's long-standing. An interesting legal debate is going on about the meaning of "emergency". One side says an emergency must be something that recently emerged. The other side says something horrific can be an "emergency," even if it's long-standing. At some point, I expect SCOTUS to rule on this question.

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    7. Fuck off lying fascist DiC.

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    8. "Crime in Chicago is at a horrific level"

      Is it? What's your basis for that claim?

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    9. He is OK with much worse criming in Red cities as he is a strong supporter of child rapists.

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    10. Crime in Chicago is at a horrific level
      How do you know that?

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    11. DiC read Somerby’s post a few days ago discussing how Chicago’s crime rate was one third that of St Louis.

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  5. Each of us responds differently to our powerlessness to meaningfully change our irreversibly corrupt and amoral political system and the manufactured spectacle that pretends to hold it into account.

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  6. Who Had ‘Partisan and Inept’ on Their Bingo Card?

    "The lawsuit against Patel describes leaders inside the FBI and Justice Department as both partisan and inept—struggling to please the White House and willing to dismiss anyone who crossed President Trump.

    (It) describes Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino acknowledging they were making key decisions in response to political pressure from the White House and to criticism from Trump MAGA supporters on social media."

    https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/kash-patel-fbi-lawsuit-firings-illegal-rcna230368

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  7. Sorry, Hector. "Partisan and Inept" is the free space in the middle of the card.

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    1. Good find on the story, though. Apropos of today's TDH post, there's this:

      The former head of the FBI’s pivotal Washington field office recounted investigative briefings with Bongino in which the deputy was focused on what he could publicly say about certain high profile cases to allay Trump supporters’ criticisms of the FBI.

      “The emphasis that Bongino placed on creating content for his social media pages often seemed to outweigh any deliberate analysis” of the investigations he was most concerned with, the lawsuit says.


      Is there any similarity to how Fox determines the newsworthiness of its stories? Opinions differ!

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  8. MSNBC and the New York Times ARE NOT BLUE. They, along with Fox News, are two of the many facets of the ruling elite.

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  9. Charlie Kirk has been shot.

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    1. Thoughts and prayers.

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    2. Whoa, What? Link?

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    3. https://apnews.com/live/utah-valley-university-charlie-kirk-shooting-updates

      Suspect apprehended.

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    4. Crime is out of control in Utah.

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  10. We are in a civil war. Glad I'm well-armed.

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