SATURDAY, JANUARY 10, 2026
Instructive new videotape: A deeply instructive "Week That Was" started on Wednesday morning.
Check that! So far, it's only been an instructive half week that was. It started with a fatal shooting, and then, as surely as night follows day, we were instantly saddled with this:
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrumpI have just viewed the clip of the event which took place in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is a horrible thing to watch. The woman screaming was, obviously, a professional agitator, and the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense...
PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP
We're sorry, Virginia, but no. In reality, that ICE officer--Jonathan Ross--did not get "run over" in the course of this incident. Whatever else may have happened that day, no one was viciously run over.
As an obvious matter of fact, no one got "run over" that day at all. Whatever different people might think about the various events of that morning, we can surely all agree on that!
Or can we all agree on that? Has the power of Storyline become so great that we the people can't all agree, not even on that basic fact?
Storyline is a powerful god. Also, the current sitting president seems to be badly disordered. At this site, we're inclined to assume that he's (significantly) "mentally ill" (to use an outmoded term).
That would be our assumption. But as part of the culture in which we all live, the academics and journalists of Blue America have agreed that that obvious possibility must never be discussed by competent medical specialists. That's part of the culture we've chosen.
At any rate, the aftermath of the fatal shooting began with that instant misstatement. From that point on, it has largely been Storyline all the way down as this event is discussed.
More specifically, we refer to the works of Tribal Storyline, the ubiquitous deity who currently serves as our greatest, most powerful god.
Yesterday, the latest video of this fatal shooting emerged--and it has turned out to be the most instructive such video yet. Headline included, the New York Times report about this new videotape starts exactly like this:
New Cellphone Video Shows ICE Agent’s Perspective Before Minneapolis Shooting
A cellphone video made public on Friday appears to show the moments leading up to the fatal shooting of a woman in Minneapolis from the perspective of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent who killed her.
The footage, published by Alpha News, a conservative news outlet, appears to come from a cellphone held by the agent who fatally shot Renee Nicole Good on a snowy residential street on Wednesday morning. The Department of Homeland Security confirmed that the video was taken by the agent and posted the clip from Alpha News on X.
The 47-second video shows the agent getting out of a vehicle and approaching the S.U.V. that Ms. Good is driving, which is partly blocking the street. A black dog sits in the rear seat of Ms. Good’s Honda, its head sticking out of the window.
The agent walks around the hood of Ms. Good’s vehicle, and the car begins to move slowly in reverse. Ms. Good, wearing a knit cap and a plaid jacket over a sweatshirt, is heard saying, “That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad,” though it is not clear from the footage whom she is addressing or to what she might be responding. She continues talking, but her words become less clear as the agent moves toward the vehicle’s rear.
That's how the Times report starts. A bit mater, as it continues, it describes some conduct which strikes us as profoundly unfortunate:
A person standing near the car, believed to be Becca Good, Renee Good’s wife, begins talking when the agent reaches the rear of the vehicle and films the license plate. “That’s OK, we don’t change our plates every morning, just so you know,” that woman says. “It’ll be the same plate when you come talk to us later.”
That woman, wearing sunglasses and an orange whistle around her neck, is then shown on camera holding up a phone, apparently filming the agent.
“That’s fine,” the woman adds. “U.S. citizen. Former fucking veteran.”
The agent then walks toward the front of the vehicle, as the woman stands between him and Renee Good’s S.U.V.
“You want to come at us?” she asks. “I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Go ahead.”
To our eye and to our ear, Becca Good almost seems to be "taunting" the agent at that point. Seconds after that somewhat combative exchange, Renee Good has been fatally shot.
We regard that tape as highly instructive--as a painful marker of the shape our failing nation is in. We'll also now mention this:
For reasons which go unexplained, the final statement heard on that tape goes unmentioned by the Times. In the corresponding report by the Washington Post, that instructive final statement does get reported.
Headline included, that news report by the Washington Post starts and ends like this:
The ICE agent’s cellphone video: Five key moments
Cellphone video recorded by an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent as he fatally shot a woman in Minneapolis surfaced online Friday, revealing new details about the hotly disputed incident from a perspective rarely seen.
The 47-second recording, published by the Minnesota website Alpha News, shows for the first time that Renee Nicole Good spoke to the ICE agent, Jonathan Ross, before he shot her. It reveals that, a split second before the gunfire, Good’s wife urged her to drive away from the scene.
[...]
5. An insult after the shooting
As the vehicle moves forward, Ross is standing near the front driver’s side corner of the vehicle. Someone yells, “Whoa.”
Ross’s camera pans skyward but does not fall to the ground.
One shot can be heard, then two more can be heard in rapid succession. Ross appears to refocus his camera on the SUV almost immediately, before it crashes nearby.
A male voice—it is not clear whose—can be heard uttering two expletives: “Fucking bitch.”
The full video, uninterrupted, can be seen here:
The Post reports what the Times omits. Even as the stricken Good's car rolls down the street, a male voice--possibly the voice of Ross, possibly not--utters those words:
"Fucking bitch."
We're inclined to regard those words as instructive. We don't know why the New York Times didn't report that statement.
Summation:
We know of no good reason why Renee Good should have been shot. That said:
In our view, the conduct of the Goods is instructive. So is the conduct of agent Ross. So is that final comment, which the New York Times chose to omit.
Let's say it again. We know of no good reason why Renee Good should have been shot. That said, we find that 47 seconds of videotape deeply instructive.
In our view, the great god Tribe is now in the saddle and is driving our "nation" down. The president made his required misstatement. Generally speaking, the great god known as Storyline has taken over from there.
For the record, no one got "run over" that day. Someone was fatally shot.
Thom Hartmann discusses the cover up of this murder:
ReplyDelete"How can we stop Trump’s masked, anonymous, secret police thugs from killing us? The federal murder laws are very narrow in scope, covering only murders against federal officials, on federal property, killings committed in the commission of a federal crime like interstate bank robbery, or killings that are civil rights violations. In all other cases, state laws cover murder. So, when ICE agent Jonathan Ross murdered Renee Good on a Minneapolis street, about the only way he could be federally prosecuted would be as a civil rights violation, and that’s pretty unlikely. So, why did the FBI move in and block both Minnesota and Minneapolis police from investigating the crime scene? The only reasonable assumption is that Bondi, Noem, and Patel are planning to cover up the crime and let Ross get away with shooting Good and then calling Good, as her car spun away, a “fuckin’ bitch.” We have a convicted criminal in the White House and it appears that the people around and beneath him are more than enthusiastic about supporting more widespread governmental crimes. Democrats are proposing a bill in the House that would make it easier for victims of ICE violence, theft, rape, and other crimes by ICE officers to both prosecute and get damages; Eric Swalwell calls it legislation to “stop mother-murdering thugs.” Excellent name for the legislation, particularly given the two more people ICE has shot, this time in Portland."
Kate Manne suggests that Becca Good may have been a passenger in the car. Manne describes the misogyny and "queer phobia" inherent in the situation. Oddly Somerby can see misogyny when Gutfeld makes fat jokes, but not in situations like this one:
ReplyDelete"For days, there has been a question, even as we have grieved. But now it seems clear: Renee Nicole Good’s murder by ICE agent, Jonathan Ross, was an instance of misogyny as well as fascism in action. Video evidence yesterday, from Ross’s phone, show the events from his perspective with sickening, unsurprising, and still morally shocking clarity. “That’s fine, dude,” she said of ICE filming her and taking down her license plates. “I’m not mad at you,” were her last words to him, and her last words simpliciter. She flipped a script that demanded her fear and her anger. Her tone was blithe, with just a hint of gentle mockery: one can imagine her shrugging. She was there—as a white, US citizen—to help her neighbors resist ICE raids in Minneapolis, and she was not going to be intimidated by Ross and his brethren.
She did not take the bait, and remained pointedly friendly. She was a woman who maintained calm equanimity in the face of a male ICE officer’s attempt to wield his authority: an illicit, abusive authority designed to elicit panic and unthinking obedience. And, so, he shot her: three shots in quick succession. “Fucking bitch,” he muttered, as her car careened and crashed when Good—now mortally wounded—quickly lost consciousness.
The scenario is not so far from that deservedly famous line of Margaret Atwood’s: men fear women laughing at them. Women fear men killing them, because she dared to laugh at him. In this case, she cheerfully thwarted his attempts to dominate and intimidate. The case is yet another illustration of a point that is crucial to understand about the rise of fascism in this country: misogyny is not an incidental feature or an optional add-on or comorbidity. Misogyny is the beating heart of a fascism that violently safeguards and shores up white male authority—by punishing any social subordinate who questions the designated authority figures. Good was not only killed in a misogynistic spirit, as we knew already from the gendered slur that escaped her murderer’s lips at the crucial moment, like violent punctuation. Good was most likely murdered because she was a woman who undermined a man whose sole raison d’être in his role as an ICE agent is to mercilessly police vulnerable immigrants along with their allies. This is a role that attracts the worst of the worst of men: men who will punish a woman who crosses them in a heartbeat. And this one had the backing of the state and carried a deadly weapon.
Renee is survived by her wife, Rebecca Good, as well as their three children. As I mourn their incalculable, unforgivable loss, I beg us not to lose sight of the role queerphobia may well have played in this murder too. Becca Good’s tone in interacting with Ross was just like her late wife’s: calm yet lightly mocking; neither scared nor deferential; and because of that deeply, deeply subversive. “Hey—show your face, big boy,” said Becca, who reads as a butch lesbian, and was holding her own cellphone to film what was transpiring: “We don’t change our plates every morning, just so you know. It will be the same plate when you come talk to us later.” She mentions being a US citizen and then effectively suggests Ross relax, take a breather, thus: “You want to come at us? You want to come at us? I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Go ahead.” Then she got into the passenger seat of the car while the masked ICE agents demanded they exit it. “Get out of the car. Out of the car. Get out of the fucking car. Get out of the car.” “Drive, baby, drive,” were the next words from Becca."
Bob is disingenuous. Of course, there's a good reason to shoot Good if the agent reasonably feared that she was trying to hit him with her vehicle. Whether or not that was her goal, the legal question is whether the agent reasonably feared that that was her goal.
ReplyDeleteThe entirely of circumstances should be considered in deciding what's "reasonable" IMO that's not clear. The agent had only a second to act. Good had shown antipathy to ICE. She was illegally fleeing. She had already hurt one ICE agent, the one who had his hand on her car. OTOH it would have been crazy for her to commit murder.
The administration is hell bent on blaming Good and exonerating the agent. They cannot be trusted to do a truthful investigation. They are refusing to cooperate with the local authorities. Fuck this tyrannical president and his lackeys.
DeleteGood golly, David. Did you watch the 47-second video? The agent walked a complete circle of the car before positioning himself in front of it. He had a full minute in which he could go wherever he wished. Good had not shown antipathy to the agent. She said directly to him, "I'm not mad at you." She had not insured another agent. There has been no report that the agent who placed his hand on her car was hurt at all.
DeleteWhy do you do this?
Delete"OTOH it would have been crazy for her to commit murder."
I don't think it would. Hit an officer with your car, killing or injuring him, and become a big hero in your anti-ICE Democrat cult. I'm sure everyone of them is dreaming about it day and night.
Explain it as "I lost control of the vehicle", get a slap on the wrist.
What's so crazy about it?
No sane person would do such a thing. These women were protesting and "observing ICE" to ensure their compliance with law and document their activities on video. Those are legal acts. They aren't criminals.
DeleteIf protesters attack ICE, it legitimizes all of their self defense claims and their efforts to manhandle the public. Protesters are trained not to give bullies any excuses like that. The goal is to get rid of ICE by forcing them to leave communities, not to kill them. Only sociopaths kill in cold blood (like that ICE guy), not people who care about democracy, our constitutional rights, and protecting others from governmental abuse.
Why does David do it? Because he supports tyranny when perpetrated by his political tribe.
DeleteQuaker - Can you help me? Others have made the same point you did, that the agent walked a complete circle of the car before positioning himself in front of it. Why is that significant? After all, that was before the car started moving.
Delete" Hit an officer with your car, killing or injuring him, and become a big hero in your anti-ICE Democrat cult."
DeleteA HUGE hero, with very little pushback. What's more, the little pushback that will come to this newly-minted hero, is mostly from Nazis who align themselves with the Republican Party.
David, one officer was telling Good to leave the scene while another was telling her to get out of the car. She backed up (which is why she was obviously not trying to hit an officer standing in front of her car) then tried to drive away (not in the officer's direction but with the wheels turned away from him). That she was stationary while the officer walked around the car supports the idea that she had no intent to hit him with her car. All of her behavior does that. So that is an unsupported reason for shooting her.
DeleteWatch the video from the agent's own phone. The car's engine is running. While the car is stationary, the agent switches his phone from his right hand to his left, freeing his weapon hand. The car moved in reverse first before it moved forward. When it does move forward, it begins to move slowly. You can clearly see Good doing a hand-over-hand turn of the steering wheel away from the direction of the agent. The agent had all the time in the world to step clear.
DeleteI'll leave it to people who know more to say whether the agent was following best practices when he positioned himself in front of the car. But as Our Host wrote, there was nothing to indicate that Good was "weaponizing" her car.
Rittenhouse was made a big hero for shooting three protesters in WI, so why wouldn't protesters be made big heros for attacking ICE agents, @2:44 reasons. The answer is that we lefties are not like Rittenhouse and his ilk. Somerby justified Rittenhouse during his trial, so it is unsurprising that he would have nothing strong to say about this ICE agent. He never complains when officers abuse their authority, nearly always siding against the victims. Today he says Good shouldn't have been shot, but not a word about the excesses of ICE that led to it. Storyline is to blame, says Somerby. Since he claims that left and right both have tribal storyline, that is akin to blaming the left for Good's shooting, not just the right and its support for ICE, Noem, Trump and the whole project of harrassing citizens along with immigrants, using force.
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Delete@2:52 - Backing up the car may be significant. Turning the steering wheel may be significant. But, what's the significance of anything the agent did before the care started moving?
DeleteThe agent violated best practices by standing in front of the car. But it is unclear whether he was ever trained in such practices to begin with.
DeleteNBC News says:
"ICE officers trained never to approach a vehicle from the front, DHS
official says
Julia Ainsley
ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a
“tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland
Security official told NBC News.
Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an
immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said.
ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction
of the officer."
"But it is unclear whether he was ever trained in such practices to begin with."
DeleteIt's my understanding that he has been an agent for more than 10 years. If he was not trained, that would be a monumental failure.
So it sounds like there is some liability for the agent.
Delete
Delete"NBC News says:"
NBC news and all other Democrat-controlled fake-news enterprises do say a lot of bullshit.
David, the significance is that the events that shaped his decisions weren't limited to a split second just before he fired his first shot. By the time he fired his second and third shots, he was safely at the side of the car--there was no possible way for Good to use the car to threaten him.
DeleteI don't believe that she was trying to hit him or that he was afraid he was going to be hit by her. I think he was acting emotionally to her driving away from all of them. Ie.it was retaliatory and punitive.
DeleteI believe the attempts to frame it as either her trying to kill him or he feeling afraid for his life that she was going to kill him are made-up excuses to bury the fact he did it out of anger and a loss of control.
I think we all really know deep down that is the case.
Agree, we all know that is the case, and we do not need to even dig deep to know that; it is as plain as an iphone video.
DeleteAs Somerby has previously noted, men only talk to mouthy women for so long, and then they start to hit (or shoot).
DeleteI once saw a study that suggested that the men who engage in domestic violence are often relatively non-verbal and can't keep up with their wives verbal agility during arguments, so they strike out physically.
A guy who dresses in LE gear, especially without being in LE (like ICE), is advertising that he has a lot of inadequacy to compensate for. Competent women who don't need men tend to piss those guys off.
NBC News was quoting DHS. Does DHS say a lot of bullshit? I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
DeleteThanks for your response, Q in a B
DeleteDigby compares this shooting to what happened at Kent State. This is an interesting remark from her blog today:
Delete"In his 1971 book, “Kent State: What Happened and Why,” James Michener concluded the ultimate explanation for why the Ohio National Guard shot and killed multiple students is that the working class males in the Guard couldn’t handle disrespect, esp. from *coeds*."
It seems to me that ICE shares that problem, due to the kind of men they are recruiting as agents.
He sees her smug deranged grin right before her lesbian roommate says drive baby drive and he pulls his gun as she floors it And call her and calls her a fucking bitch because he assumes it was on purpose And that he's lucky to be alive.
DeleteOpen and shut self-defense.
"floors it" don't be ridiculous
DeleteWhy do people keep harping on the drive baby drive? how is that relevant?
DeleteDriftglass discusses the reaction of David Brooks to this incident. Driftglass has been critical of Brooks for decades, but I hadn't realized how similar Brooks is to Somerby's rants. On January 9, Brooks wrote a column in the NY Times about the Sins of Moderates. Driftglass says:
ReplyDelete"Every example of malice, intolerance, ideological arson and open fascism Brooks cites -- every single one -- is drawn from the Right. And yet because Brooks is so utterly hollow -- a bespectacled wraith so in love with his dead and discredited ideology that, for 22 years, he has used his New York Times column to prop up its corpse and wave its arms around -- all he can think to write about at this game-changing moment in American history is what a rough time Awesome Moderates are having because of the Extremes on Both Sides.
Because, as I noted a few paragraphs back, that is literally all Brooks ever writes about."
So, too, Somerby. His formula is to describes sins of the right then claim that the left is just as bad, both-sidesing clear right wing wrong-doing without evidence. As Somerby notes, Renee Good did not deserve to be shot. Why then the microscopic inspection of her every word and gesture, as if anything could have justified what happened, and why the inevitable conclusion that we on the left are equally culpable -- for what? The "Great God tribe" and "storyline" are in the saddle, even though the examples are of right wing lies and Good was exercising her rights while trying to comply with ICE commands. Somerby is damned right that she did not deserve to die, but storyline didn't kill her. ICE bullets did that, then the govt began lying (an apt word for what they have been doing, yet Somerby refuses to use it).
Somerby tiptoes as close as he can get to blaming the victim - his preferred analysis - without directly saying it, in order to give himself plausible deniability.
DeleteI agree with Brooks that "The dominant figures of our age say: It’s a brutal world out there; I do what I want." That's reality.
DeleteThe key is what they do with this power. The brutality of Churchill and FDR to defeat Hitler was praiseworthy. Hitler's use of brutality was awful. Maduro's brutal torture of opponents was awful. The brutality of Trump in freeing Venezuelan citizens from Maduro was praiseworthy. Trump's threatened brutality against the Mullahs if they kill civilians designed to protect Iranian citizens. That threat is praiseworthy. Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine was despicable. Ukraine's brutal defense, supported by US weapons, is praiseworthy.
"So, too, Somerby. His formula is to describes sins of the right then claim that the left is just as bad, both-sidesing clear right wing wrong-doing without evidence."
DeleteI don't think Somerby ever does this. What he does, over and over, is say that blue media is biased in a way similar to how red media is biased.
But he doesn't make ultimate judgments about whether blues are "just as bad" as reds.
Go back and read a few of his essays and see if your statement matches what he has actually said.
DeleteChurchill and FDR were brutal to the Nazis? Not compared to what Nazis did to the people under their control.
DeleteI object to your claim that illegal acts by Trump were praiseworthy because Maduro was a brutal guy. There are laws even in war. Breaking them is unjustified by the results, especially when there are other ways the same goals might be accomplished. This reasoning of the ends justify the means is itself despicable.
He doesn't come close to blaming the victim because she's not the victim except of her own stupidity and criminality, which means she is to blame.
Delete@5:55 - What other ways are there by which dictator Maduro could have been removed? What other ways are there by which the Russian invasion of Ukraine could be thwarted? Or, the Mullahs restrained?
DeleteIMO fixing big messy problems using messy solutions is better than ignoring the problems and allowing them to fester.
"For the record, no one got "run over" that day. "
ReplyDeleteNitpicking. If you hit someone with your car, that person, colloquially, might describe it as being "run over". So, yes, someone was "run over" that day. Just like that, in quotation marks.
Anywho, this will go to courts, and it'll be decided there. There could be different decisions in civil and criminal proceedings. We'll see.
Who is going to prosecute the agent?
DeleteNo one got hit by the car, maggot.
DeleteNo one. Clear cases of self-defense are not prosecuted in the US.
DeleteNo, no one was run over. The videos all show that.
DeleteThis will not go to court if the DOJ suppresses it. It will then depend on Becca Good filing a wrongful death suit. Noem is making sure she has no access to info to support such a lawsuit. If that happens, Ross will pay money but not go to jail. I hope the State of Minnesota brings charges anyway. It will require pissing off the feds and incurring their wrath.
Anyone who used the colloquial term 'run over' to describe what happened to Jonathan Ross would be using it incorrectly.
DeleteGood's car bumped him as it went by. That's it. And that's only 'running someone over' in the Newspeak dictionary.
"I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Go ahead" are not "taunting" words. They are a compassionate suggestion recognizing these men might be hungry from working a difficult job in cold weather. "Big boy" is a flirty compliment.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 1:40pm, hahaha!
Deletehahaha! A 37 year old mother of three had her face blown off, because Donny J Chickenshit decided to unleash hell on a democratic city. so funny, right bitch
DeleteAnonymouse 1:40pm, knew you were going to that. Yeah, it was a bit more fraught than telling them to go to lunch.
DeleteThese are not fighting words. If a big tough ICE agent can't hear "go get a sandwich" without blowing his stack, he is unfit for the job. But Cecelia, you laughing is horrible. There is no excuse for that, because you are taunting liberals who care deeply when an innocent mother of three gets shot in the face for no good reason. We should all care, but the least you can do is not laugh about it.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:48pm, no, they weren’t shoot somebody words (no, words justify that) . They were ‘piss off little guy’ words. It wasnt that which caused the shooting. I know your mind is firmly made up, but sadly…that’s not the case with the rest of the planet. My condolences.
DeleteWhat caused the shooting was arming thugs and sending them into the streets without proper training. Noem is on the hook for that.
DeleteDon't forget that both Becca Good and Renee Good are citizens of the USA. There is no reason for ICE to be involved with them at all. That's why this is clearly not about catching illegals or deporting people but about threatening, harrassing, causing fear among the general populace. Some are suggesting that Trump is deliberately trying to provoke people in Minnesota because he wants to declare martial law and station soldiers everywhere, in other words, go full dictator on our asses.
It is clear that Ross killed the driver because he felt his dominance was being challenged.
DeleteRepublicans that pretend to not understand this trivially obvious point, will risk losing their credibility and influence.
CC - Can you think of any justification for the second and third shots, where Ross blew Good away, at point blank range, after already putting a bullet into her head?
DeleteDG, the fact that he thought he was about to mowed over by her (“Drive! Drive!”) and that others might be in danger of that too. Yes, that’s conjecture, anonymices…(sigh)…but DG-of-all- faces asked for my thoughts.
DeleteHow is the 'Drive! Drive!' relevant? It sounds like someone urging her to escape, not run someone over.
Delete"others might be in danger"
No. The street was quiet, there were no bystanders in sight and Ross had been there long enough to see that.
Rather than conjecture about Ross's motive for shooting, why don't we let him speak for himself:
"Fucking bitch."
You seem to think you can read minds. We have no idea what Ross was thinking. Shooters are trained to fire multiple shots at a time, often three, so that was perhaps the result of his training, not any indication she was dangerous after receiving the first bullet in the face.
DeleteHector, she was being urged to escape by any means necessary and made rough contact with an ICE officer as she did it. He didn’t have your view, he only knew that she would soon be careening down the street with as much concern about life and limb as she had shown to him.
DeleteWhat a bunch of horseshit Cecelia. Now you are telling lies.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:12pm, I’m not lying, I’m conjecturing and that is what you’re doing too.
Delete"he only knew that she would soon be careening down the street with as much concern about life and limb as she had shown to him."
DeleteHe knew nothing of the kind. She had obviously been panicked by the ICE agents. Once she was clear of them, why would she be a threat to anyone?
Hector, he knew that her car was sideways in the road (in protest) and other cars were trying to get around her. He knew that her friend had yelled “Drive! Drive!” and she had imperiled him to the point of having to jump out of her way. He knew he had a reason to be in fear for himself and possibly others. If she had been in fear she could have complied when they told her to get out of the car in front of a street full of witnesses.
DeleteWell, with three bullets in her head and careening dead in a big van down the street, I would say she posed a threat to bystanders.
DeleteCecelia makes up her own facts.
DeleteDG, don’t gun your engine with an armed LE in front of you. Embroider that on a pillow if you need reminding.
DeleteMaybe she was worried that if she let them drag her out of the van she might be sent to a secret detention center for months even though she was a citizen.
DeleteDG, then she would have already made a choice as to her own risk. No one forced her out there.
DeleteYou’re right. All good Americans submit meekly to tyranny, right? If secret police are on the prowl, real Americans hide in their homes cravenly!
DeleteWhat’s the rationale for the Second Amendment again? Citizens should be armed with guns so they can effectively opppse a tyrannical government? Seems antithetical to your view that what they really should do is hide.
DeleteDG, again, she made a choice in risking her life to brave the secret police on the prowl (she calls them “big guy”) who would either kill her or put her in El Salvador… You’ve got your self-serving silliness, now run it up the flagpole and salute it.
DeletePatrick Henry - what an idiot, right?
DeleteDG, what protesters really should do is to respect law enforcement even when they don’t agree with their task. They’re doing the job they’ve been told to do. You can’t have it all ways and say she should cause these guys to fear for their safety and the public’s and they should thank her for it
DeleteDG, so you’re arguing that her actions are an insurrection?
DeleteShe was actually killed for doing nothing wrong. No one told that agent to go shoot a wiman in the face. That’s not his job, even if she were illegal.
DeleteCitizens should resist being shot at will by agents abusing their authority. Remember the Boston Massacre? It started a revolution. You are supporting the British.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:34pm, actually, shooting people is a part of his job, if necessary. That’s why they’re called law enforcement officers and they carry guns and are trained to know when to use them. Was the shooting necessary? That’s what’s being investigated.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:37pm, so you in the process of an insurrection?
DeleteICE are not law enforcement and not trained in law enforcement. The courts have made that clear. Stop spreading disinformation.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:44pm, no, ICE carries guns and they have been trained in how and when to use them. They are enforcing laws as to illegal entry. Border control agents enforce laws too. Let’s not get so out there that you declare the whole system to be imaginary.
DeleteThey are not trained in law enforcement. That’s why they must call the police. The court has said so. You are wrong. They can detain immigrants and that’s all.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:09pm, no, they can detain people till the local officers arrive and they can hold them there at the point of a gun. They can also do other things, such as protect themselves and the public when they feel they are being threatened.
DeleteThat is not law enforcement.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:49pm, yes, it’s a part of law enforcement.
DeleteDG, have you retired for the night? I know you have a routine early morning assignment of calling your contrarians pedophiles and racists.
DeleteWTF are you talking about? To my recollection, I have never called anyone a pedophile or a racist, and I certainly wouldn’t have done so in the morning. You must be mistaking me for someone else.
DeletePerhaps you’re being ironic and I missed your tone.
DeleteDG, no, you didn’t miss my tone.
DeleteThen why are you making shit up about me?
DeleteDriftglass goes on the describe the script for writing a Brooks article, saying that this is his formula for every essay. But as you read through it, notice that it is obviously Somerby's script as well. It is Somerby's Great God storyline:
ReplyDelete"In just 10 Easy Steps you'll be punditting like a pro!
1) Pick a subject. Any subject. From Tasseled Loafers to Torture, it literally does not matter.
2) Quote extensively from one person or group on the subject. It's OK to just more-or-less copy and paste in big hunks of what whatever-you-happen-to-be-reading-at-the-moment to flesh out your 800-word column. Here at the Times we call that "research"!
3) Quote from some other person or group on the same subject who appears to hold a different opinion. If no actual opposition exists, just put on your Magic Green Jacket and invent an opposing opinion.
4) Although such is not the case with today's subject, as often as possible, try to impute these fictional distinctions to the different hemispheres of the political Universe. So no matter how bigoted, reckless or just bugfuck crazy the Right behaves, you just go right ahead and blandly assert with no supporting evidence whatsoever that the Left is equally and oppositely bad in exactly the same qualities and quantities. Here at the Times we call that "seriousness"!
5) Discover in your final paragraph or two that -- amazingly! -- the precise midpoint between those two completely artificial positions on an imaginary spectrum just happens to be exactly the Right and Reasonable answer!
Oh boy!
6) Rinse and repeat. No matter what the subject, no matter how false or bizarre the equivalence, just rinse and repeat. Twice a week.
7) Every week.
8) Year.
9) After year.
10) After year.
Long ago this stopped being a "style", and started being a fetish, Mr. Brooks"
And the same goes for Mr. Somerby. Except he does this day after day, avoiding topical issues to focus on ancient Troy or quote Robert Frost to fill out his word quota, and he assumes for himself the role of reasonableness, while working in his jibes at progressives and liberals.
Today, Somerby does not call the left equal to the right but he implies that we are wrong to call out that long list of lies told by the right. He implies that if we do so, we are engaging in our own brand of storyline, and he hints that this is why Good was shot, due to tribalism, not the uglier causes we on the left see plainly.
I never read Brooks, just as I do not read the other opinion writers who I strongly disagree with. It is bad for my psyche and there is nothing "instructive" about anything they say, just as I find more tragedy than "instructiveness" (Somerby's word today) in this ICE shooting. But Somerby does read Brooks and has often quoted him approvingly. I had no idea they were such brothers under the skin. But they are the pernicious ones because they will not protest such obvious wrongs despite having a podium, and that allies them with the right and all of its wrongs.
Brooks is a pos right winger, just like Somerby.
DeleteAgree.
DeleteRepublicans/right wingers pretend to not be aware of any asymmetry, and work hard to obscure any asymmetry.
They are all disingenuous at their core, and proud of it.
Somerby doesn't blame ICE or the ICE agent or the President or Noem or anyone telling lies or an out-of-control enforcement effort recruiting thugs or any of the likely causes -- he blames storyline. Somerby has lost his marbles.
ReplyDeleteIndeed.
DeleteI'm calling anyone who drives a two-ton SUV into me a fuckin bitch.
ReplyDeletethat's cause you're a fucking pussy, maggot breath.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:15pm, I’ve been called that here for less…
DeleteI'm sure @2:15 calls people that for less.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:33pm, may that always be uttered “for less”.
DeleteCecelia -- to get you straight -- are you saying that people SHOULD be called a "fucking bitch" for "less" (i.e., less serious and less important reasons)? Are you seriously advocating that anyone should go around calling some that for no good reasons? Or are you a non-English speaking troll who didn't mean what you are saying but just got caught up in some confusing language?
DeleteI'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt but it sounds like you are calling for people to go around calling each other "fucking bitch" with minimal provocation.
Anonymouse 2:45pm, now you’re acting like you’re trying to defend someone who wouldn’t stop their car as law enforcement commanded them to get out of it.
DeleteWhen “fucking bitch” is unfortunately uttered… I hope it is always uttered in the content of an absurd and none-too-bright anonymouse contesting a contrarian. Everyone makes allowances for absurd anonymices.
Good had stopped her car. Agents were giving her conflicting orders and she was trying to comply when she was shot. Go watch the video, with an open mind this time. Repeating Trump's big lies don't make them true.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:09pm, I have watched the video/s umpteenth times, but that’s good.advice still.
DeleteLanguage hint: umpteenth doesn't need a th at the end unless you are referring to something you are counting, the umpteenth bird on the wire, for example. You don't say umpteenth times but "umpteen times". Too subtle to be taught in your troll "English as a second language" classes.
DeleteCecelia is unfamiliar with American law.
DeleteAmericans have zero obligation to comply with any LE unless they have established reasonable suspicion or probable cause, and have expressed such in a coherent and credible manner.
Those agents had no legal authority over the driver, and the driver had no obligation to comply with any of their orders.
Anonymouse 3:29pm, you’re never subtle. Thats why you give your mentality away by indulging in this sort lesson/correction. It’s helps you feel better and it’s all you got.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:45pm, go get a chisel and you can carve that in granite. If you maneuver your car in their way and ignore their commands, yes, they can arrest you.
DeleteIf LE has reasonable suspicion that you are purposefully trying to obstruct them in carrying out their duties, they can legally detain you (not kill you).
DeleteIn this case, we know this did not happen because we have video. It makes it much harder for authoritarians to put their thumb on the scale, like what you are attempting to do.
Deflect all you want, and sorry if the situation is different in whatever country you live in, but Americans do not have to comply with LE unless they have established reasonable suspicion or probable cause and have expressed that in an understandable way.
Furthermore, DHS has specific rules about officers not approaching vehicles from the front or firing at moving vehicles.
Anonymouse 4:16pm, you’re telling me that the video tells us everything… full stop… guilty as hell…. yet * I’m deflecting… Here’s some more “deflecting”: Good had her car in the street crossways. Other people went into the parking area by the sidewalks to get around her. One video shows a car going up on the sidewalk to order to get by. Good’s wife had a cocky exchange with an ICE officer ( who had come over to look at her license plate) and refused to get out of the car. When ICE was on her, she yelled “Drive! Drive!” at Good. You can hear the officer in front of the car scrambling and yelling out. THAT makes things less than crystal clear in my mind. I know you have this sewed up like your bloomers in your mind, but others don’t. That’s okay…We’re allowed…
DeleteThe problem is that you have to ignore other facts in order to make your own interpretations even remotely plausible. Take the evidence as a whole (all of the videos) and see what makes sense. You are cherrypicking bits of evidence to fit your preferred narrative (as Somerby would say).
DeleteAnonymouse 6:11pm, I will keep looking at the videos.
Delete"One video shows a car going up on the sidewalk to order to get by. Good’s wife had a cocky exchange with an ICE officer ( who had come over to look at her license plate) and refused to get out of the car. When ICE was on her, she yelled “Drive! Drive!” at Good."
DeleteWhich of these justified her murder?
Anonymouse 7:11pm, it’s not murder if it’s self defense or in defense of anyone else who might be hit.. Notice your lack of an “if” about ANY thing.
DeleteDid you notice the lack of "if" in anything declared by King Orange Chickenshit, the ICE Barbie, or the couch fucker, you fascist bitch?
DeleteThe car was clear of any risk to the shooter when he took the second and third shots through the side window, and the first one appears to have been taken with his feet out of the trajectory of the turning car. His video is difficult to assess as soon as he manipulates his cell phone and the images get chaotic; there is no evidence on any video that I have seen that she hit him. If she had wanted to, she would not have turned her wheels away from a path to him.
DeleteHartmann says: "— ICE is planning to go door-to-door just like in 1930’s Germany? On a Wednesday interview with Fox “News,” three-named notorious Dark Enlightenment fan and liar James Donald Bowman James David Hamel JD Vance said: “I think we’re going to see those deportation numbers ramp up as we get more and more people online working for ICE, going door to door, making sure if you’re an illegal alien you’ve got to get out of this country and if you want to come back, apply through the proper channels.” (emphasis added) Anne Frank, I’m guessing, would like to have a word."
ReplyDeleteWe will all need access to info about our rights:
https://immigrantjustice.org/for-immigrants/know-your-rights/ice-encounter/
All people have rights, even immigrants, but if you are a citizen, knowing what to do will be helpful. Past experience shows that many ICE agents do not care about your documentation and citizen status and will detainee you anyway, on manufactured "interference" or "assault" charges if necessary. So, it is important to know what to do.
"If an officer knocks on your door: Do not open the door. Teach your children not to open the door. Officers must have a warrant signed by a judge to enter your home. ICE “warrants” are not signed by judges; they are ICE forms signed by ICE officers and they do not grant authority to enter a home without consent of the occupant(s)."
The harassment of ICE agents will continue, until morale improves.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 3:03pm, because violence against or by ICE is your friend. It benefits your side and only your side.
Delete@3:03 perhaps means "harrassment by ICE agents" since that is where the harrassment is coming from.
DeleteViolence is no one's friend. That is why people are protesting ICE (non-violently) all across the country today.
Anonymouse 3:11pm, no, your anonymouse pal announced that the harassment of ICE would “continue”. The harassment has been ongoing since the start of the deporting illegals operation started. What right do the feds have to do that?…. You’ll have to take anonymouse 3:03pm back for a lesson in Soros school. They’re letting the cat out of the bag.
DeleteThe precious feelings of snowflake ICE agents will continue to be hurt, until morale improves.
DeleteMeow, 3:22.
DeleteWe had a national election just last year, and the people voted for feelings over facts.
DeleteElections have consequences.
Anonymouse 3:22pm, rocks being thrown can hurt more than feelings. Throwing rocks, bottles, slashing tires, punching, and pepper spraying benefits your side only. You will never be accountable in the way that ICE is accountable. You are utterly aware of that.
DeletePeople who do violent things as citizens are accountable to police. We have laws under which they can be arrested, tried and sentenced if convicted. Even non-violent protesters are hauled off to jail, although usually released after being processed (because they aren't breaking any laws by peacefully protesting).
DeleteDo you support the ability of ICE to use chemical agents on school children? That is something they have been doing lately.
Just for laughs, please describe the accountability that ICE agents face. This guy Ross shot a woman in cold blood, in the face, three times, then wouldn't let bystanders call an ambulance. He is walking around free for killing someone who was doing nothing wrong. How is that "accountability"?
Anonymouse 3:34pm, you know very well ICE is going to be accountable for any abuse and likely for actions that were necessary. There are going to attorneys involved with this stuff for the next 20 years, but I’m supposed to take your heresay as scriptural and argue against it.
DeleteRoss' bosses, all the way up to the president, are lying to cover his ass. Brazenly lying. There is video! C'mon, man.
DeleteIf MN does charge Ross, there is a good chance he will be convicted - it depends on the make up of the jury.
This week, some of the less unhinged Republicans in Congress are starting to respond to the events of the past few months by offering meager olive branches to Dems; Dems stomped Republicans in the 2025 elections, Trump is clearly out to lunch, the economy is in the toilet, Trump no longer has a filter on his cruel inclinations, Venezuela is just a money grab for Trump and his cronies, Trump mocking Reiner, Trump defending a DHS killer, etc.
Cecelia, heresay (as you wrote it) is actually spelled hearsay because the word refers to someone repeating what they heard someone else say. I admire your willingness to use unfamiliar words, but I feel bad that you are so poorly educated and cannot spell them, even easy ones like this.
DeleteMaybe she meant heresy?
DeleteAnonymices, or maybe I meant “her say” as in a load of crap.
DeleteOr maybe you're an undereducated imbecile and don't know what you are saying.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:57, that thought should make you really uncomfortable considering that you can’t do anything other than making declarations.
DeleteYou have no idea what anyone here can and cannot do off the internet, other than yourself. But you reveal some serious language-related deficiencies whenever you comment, and you laugh at other people's tragedies, so I doubt you are anything but a huge piece of shit offline.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:22pm, I didn’t laugh at a person’s tragedy. I laughed at an anonymouse’s ludicrous interpretation of the exchange between ICE and Good’s wife. BTW- you don’t need a reason (such as accusing me of laughing at someone) in order to justify anything you want to justify. Your world has revolved around you doing that.
DeleteYour behavior here is visible to all.
DeleteAnonhmouse 5:46pm, “all” would be anonymices. There are three conservatives here (we’ll pretend that’s a fact for the sake of argument…) so my “behavior” is being judged by a bunch of anonymices who already have this ICE officer in prison for life. I’m supposed to be concerned about your judgments?
DeleteThis what Somerby means by dividing into tribes and only considering your preferred narratives. You can go away now.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:59pm, you’ve got other anonymices here echoing your sentiments. Sure, three of them or so are DG, but I’m the lone opposition and you can’t even tolerate that much dissent.
DeleteSo go away. You aren’t wanted here.
DeleteAnonymouse 8:49pm, please tell whoever is forcing you to read my posts that it’s more than alright with me if you stop reading them.
DeleteGo away.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:28pm, you go away.
DeleteI belong here, you don’t.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:06pm, no, Bob allows us all in. Even you. and you hate him. So if you don’t like it- beat it…
DeleteYou don’t belong here you fucking European troll.
Deleteda…
DeleteCC - You seem to be under the misapprehension that I post anonymously. I don’t.
DeleteYes, DG, you are anonymous. DG is not a name, not an identifier. You could be anyone, and thus you are as anonymous as anyone using the label anonymous.
DeleteAre we sure this whole incident wasn't a false flag, designed to show anyone with a conscience that JD Vance is a vile piece of shit?
ReplyDeleteThe piece of shit has more charisma. That's how you can tell them apart.
DeleteSteve Bannon is going to run against Vance for President in 2028.
DeleteI nominate 3:37 for comment of the month.
Deletehttps://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-9-2026
ReplyDeleteHeather Cox Richardson describes the way American troops were trained to understand fascism:
"On March 24, 1945, the topic for the week was “FASCISM!”
“You are away from home, separated from your families, no longer at a civilian job or at school and many of you are risking your very lives,” the pamphlet explained, “because of a thing called fascism.” But, the publication asked, what is fascism? “Fascism is not the easiest thing to identify and analyze,” it said, “nor, once in power, is it easy to destroy. It is important for our future and that of the world that as many of us as possible understand the causes and practices of fascism, in order to combat it.”
Fascism, the U.S. government document explained, “is government by the few and for the few. The objective is seizure and control of the economic, political, social, and cultural life of the state.” “The people run democratic governments, but fascist governments run the people.”
“The basic principles of democracy stand in the way of their desires; hence—democracy must go! Anyone who is not a member of their inner gang has to do what he’s told. They permit no civil liberties, no equality before the law.” “Fascism treats women as mere breeders. ‘Children, kitchen, and the church,’ was the Nazi slogan for women,” the pamphlet said.
Fascists “make their own rules and change them when they choose…. They maintain themselves in power by use of force combined with propaganda based on primitive ideas of ‘blood’ and ‘race,’ by skillful manipulation of fear and hate, and by false promise of security. The propaganda glorifies war and insists it is smart and ‘realistic’ to be pitiless and violent.”
Fascists understood that “the fundamental principle of democracy—faith in the common sense of the common people—was the direct opposite of the fascist principle of rule by the elite few,” it explained, “[s]o they fought democracy…. They played political, religious, social, and economic groups against each other and seized power while these groups struggled.”
Americans should not be fooled into thinking that fascism could not come to America, the pamphlet warned; after all, “[w]e once laughed Hitler off as a harmless little clown with a funny mustache.” And indeed, the U.S. had experienced “sorry instances of mob sadism, lynchings, vigilantism, terror, and suppression of civil liberties. We have had our hooded gangs, Black Legions, Silver Shirts, and racial and religious bigots. All of them, in the name of Americanism, have used undemocratic methods and doctrines which…can be properly identified as ‘fascist.’”
The War Department thought it was important for Americans to understand the tactics fascists would use to take power in the United States. They would try to gain power “under the guise of ‘super-patriotism’ and ‘super-Americanism.’” And they would use three techniques:
First, they would pit religious, racial, and economic groups against one another to break down national unity. Part of that effort to divide and conquer would be a “well-planned ‘hate campaign’ against minority races, religions, and other groups.”
Second, they would deny any need for international cooperation, because that would fly in the face of their insistence that their supporters were better than everyone else. “In place of international cooperation, the fascists seek to substitute a perverted sort of ultra-nationalism which tells their people that they are the only people in the world who count. With this goes hatred and suspicion toward the people of all other nations.”
Third, fascists would insist that “the world has but two choices—either fascism or communism, and they label as ‘communists’ everyone who refuses to support them.”
It is “vitally important” to learn to spot native fascists, the government said, “even though they adopt names and slogans with popular appeal, drape themselves with the American flag, and attempt to carry out their program in the name of the democracy they are trying to destroy.”
DeleteThe only way to stop the rise of fascism in the United States, the document said, “is by making our democracy work and by actively cooperating to preserve world peace and security.”
This is an important reminder to all of us, especially Somerby, who tells us that democracy is dead and it is too late to do anything to preserve our freedoms. When I hear someone talking like Somerby, I consider it a major clue that they do not have our nation's interests at heart.
HCR finally calling it, is important - she has clout, rightly so.
DeleteThe Palestinians in Gaza, governed by Hamas, are essentially a fascist state. A centralization of authority under a dictator, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
DeleteDiC, you have just described the USA.
DeleteMandela and the Archbishop Tutu were well familiar with the word apartheid when, after visiting Israel, they used it to describe the state of Israel, and they openly pitied the Palestinians subjected to the degradation that the Israelis inflicted on them.
Delete@6:51 - Do you I post under a nym because the USA would immediately kill me if they found who I am, just as Hamas would? Do you think the USA would murder, rape and kidnap thousands of Jews attending a music festival? Get real.
DeleteFolks in Las Vegas have not forgotten the shooter at their concert. This is a very stupid argument bordering on offensive. Past your bedtime David.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:28pm, you’re comparing the Las Vegas shooter with Hamas, a terrorist organization that has been funded by several governments?
DeleteNo one cares what you think about Hamas. Go away.
DeleteEmployment with ICE is the participation trophy of the national job market.
ReplyDeleteLaw enforcement needs to come to term with the fact that they do not hold as much authority over us as they wish.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, law enforcement agencies hire the most severe narcissists and dominance-oriented people in our society, people whose minds are so warped, no amount of training will free them from their rage-addled personalities.
Via the democratization of media, Americans are waking up to their rights, that complying with law enforcement is not mandatory, that law enforcement has to first establish reasonable suspicion or probable cause and otherwise they can be ignored.
This tragic incident in MN might having a lasting impact in diminishing the overreach of Republicans, this killing of a White mom.
Obeying the law seems to have less support than it used to. A lot of people don't like immigration laws. They feel virtuous when they themselves break the law in order to get in the way of enforcing immigration laws.
DeleteAgreed, David! ICE is violating laws routinely, by acting well beyond their jurisdictional powers. It's a fact.
DeleteIlya -- How so?
Delete"A lot of people don't like immigration laws."
DeleteIt's more accurate to say a lot of people don't like the way Trump is enforcing immigration law--the lack of judgment that's being exercised for example when a father of 3 Marines is wrestled to the ground by ICE agents.
It's quite plain, David. ICE have no jurisdictional power to enforce anything at the city or state level, e.g. telling people to get out of the car. They have no jurisdiction over US citizens. Period. End of story. If they think someone is obstructing traffic, they need to call the cops. If they think someone is blocking a sidewalk, same. They have no jurisdiction over US citizens and this needs to be strictly enforced. They should not be allowed to lay a hand on them.
DeleteIlya - I agree that if someone is obstructing traffic, ICE need to call the cops. But I would guess that if someone is obstructing ICE, then ICE has the power to arrest that person. I would guess that obstructing ICE is a federal crime. However, I am not a lawyer and I have not looked at the law, so I might be wrong.
DeleteOne site I found says, "Interfering with an ICE arrest exposes a U.S. citizen to multiple federal criminal charges that can carry fines and prison terms, ranging from misdemeanor penalties to felonies depending on conduct and injury. Federal agencies and prosecutors have made clear they will investigate and, in many cases, prosecute obstruction, assault, harboring, and related offenses when private citizens impede immigration enforcement."
Now this does not say that ICE has the power to arrest people committing this federal crime. Maybe only the FBI can do so. So, you may be right.
https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/consequences-us-citizen-interfering-ice-arrest-1cac20
Here's more about the relevant laws than any of us would want to know.
DeleteThe Image above proves the ICE Officer was justified in his decision to use deadly force. He had no obligation to step out of the way that would benefit her or subject him to prosecution. He had no obligation to allow her to drive away from an attempt to detain her after the Officer at the door of her car ordered her to stop and exit the vehicle.
https://shipwreckedcrew.substack.com/p/minneapolis-is-not-even-a-close-call
ICE is claiming rights it does not have under law. Courts are slowly issuing orders to restrain ICE.
DeleteThe image doesn't "prove" justification. It shows the agent already drawing his weapon while another agent is still at the window of the car.
DeleteAre you seriously arguing that deadly force is justified for trying to leave a traffic stop?
DiC,
DeleteI skimmed the article and it seems like this guy's argument is that Ross had to murder Good to keep anyone from getting hurt.
The idea that Good represented a threat to the public at large is particularly laughable since you can see in at least one of the videos how, once she's been shot, Good's car careens out of control and smashes into a parked car.
DeleteBut that's the argument many are making: Ross had to shoot Good and thereby send a driverless car careening down the street because that was safer than if Good was left alive to drive it herself.
Delete"the lack of judgment that's being exercised for example when a father of 3 Marines is wrestled to the ground by ICE agents."
Never heard of it, but hypothetically, what would be a problem with the judgement exercised in that case?
Are you suggesting that the fathers of 3 Marines should wear special badges giving them special privileges? The privilege to defy authorities without consequences?
Are you totally dumb, Soros-monkey?
Hector, in the mind of an ICE agent (or anyone) wouldn’t the random possibility of a driverless vehicle hitting ICE (or other people) be less a threat than someone intentionally trying to harm ICE or potentially harming others out of anxiety and panic in resisting the commands from ICE? The latter is what actually happened with Becca Good yelling, “Drive! Drive! “ at Renee Good, and Renee gunning it and making contact with Ross while trying to flee.
DeleteAs has been shown in the videos, there was no attempt to hurt anyone with Good's car. She took care to avoid hitting the ICE agent, who was positioning himself near her car. As can be seen in the video, he drew his gun while another officer was talking to Good through her window. He deliberately switched his own cell phone from the right hand to the left, so that he could do so. There was no excuse for that and it showed an intention to shoot her. It was not illegal for Good to drive away. She was a citizen and not the target of any ICE operation, so if she wanted to leave, it was her right to do so.
DeleteYou don't belong here. There is no reason for you to keep repeating lies that have been debunked already in these comments. You are a trouble-maker with no reason to be here talking shit to people who are justifiably upset. Go away.
What is wild is that if Republicans, their supporters, the trolls here, gave even the slightest indication that what is going on is an overreach by Republicans, they would probably be able to continue to dominate us with little significant resistance.
ReplyDeleteInstead, their instinct is to double down, even when they are so obviously in the wrong.
As Republicans lose power, they will have themselves to blame; shooting that White mom in the face was also them shooting themselves in the foot.
It's called never letting a crisis go to waste and in this case the opportunity to show Democrats as violent law and order hating criminals. We learned that principle from one of your communist agitators.
ReplyDeleteI suspect that ICE has been instructed by Miller and others to take out a few liberals/protesters.
ReplyDeleteMore likely some protesters have been instructed to take out ICE agents. ICE agents reported an "unprecedented increase" of 3,200% in vehicular attacks over the past year and a 1,300% increase in assaults.
Deletehttps://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-agents-report-unprecedented-3200-surge-car-attacks-last-year
Protesters are not taking out ICE agents. ICE agents are using vehicular attacks to justify their excessive force. There were far fewer ICE attacks on people last year so of course these problematic interactions have increased.
DeleteICE wasn’t a thing before Trump and Noem, so those stats are meaningless.Trump has only been in office for less than a year. There were probably almost no such attacks under Biden because CBP wasn’t rousting people.
DeleteDemocrats think you can violently attack law-enforcement officials enforcing the law. They're terrorists.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:25pm, exactly. You had no problem with Obama deporting millions and no problem with Biden importing millions.
DeleteBiden didn't "import" anyone. You are an awful person. Go away and take your ugly pointed tongue with you. This is not fun and game for those of us who care about the woman who was shot and killed. The way you want to rub it in is evil. You shouldn't be here doing this. Go away.
DeleteTrump Noem and Miller want to kill liberals.
ReplyDeleteNah… they’ll settle for breaking your kneecaps.
DeleteHahaha this is all so funny to assholes like you who don’t consider liberals people. There is something wrong with you.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:04pm, no, most liberals have a sense of humor. Anonymices do not. That’s why they’re anonymices.
DeleteThere is nothing funny about ICE shooting innocent people.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:18pm, your context is off. Read upwards.
DeleteFuck off
DeleteI consider ice agents people you don't get to plow into with your SUV.
DeleteThese right wing trolls come here to gloat over killing an innocent woman. How does that build support for Trump? It doesn’t but the right gets off on cruelty to those they hate.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 11:07pm, actually, you don’t just gloat, you’re orgasmic over it.
DeleteWe are not happy that the leftist agitator caused her own death. Every person is diminished with every death.
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DeleteRenee Good’s naivete got her killed. She couldn’t grasp that she was dealing with such evil motherfuckers that, even after being point blank shot, they would prevent a bystander from attending to her medically.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:53am, it’s potentially more fraught with human error and bad judgment than that: From AI:
DeleteThere is no publicly available protocol from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that would specifically require their medics to insist on treating Renee Good over other medical professionals present at the scene. However, federal law enforcement agencies generally prioritize the security of a scene and the chain of custody for evidence, which can influence who provides medical aid in certain situations [1] [2].
According to www.iAsk.Ai - Ask AI:
In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, a bystander who identified himself as a physician asked ICE officers if he could check Good's pulse, but was told, "No! Back up. Now!" by an officer, who added, "I don't care" when the bystander reiterated he was a physician [3]. Another officer stated, "We have medics on scene," though a woman was heard shouting, "Where are they?" [3]. This exchange suggests that ICE officers asserted control over the scene and intended for their own medical personnel to handle the situation, or at least to prevent unauthorized individuals from approaching [3].
Federal agencies, including ICE, operate under guidelines that emphasize officer safety and scene control following a use-of-force incident [1]. This often involves securing the area, preserving evidence, and ensuring that only authorized personnel interact with the scene and individuals involved [1] [4]. While the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), ICE's parent agency, states that officers are trained to use the minimum amount of force necessary and are highly trained in de-escalation tactics, these guidelines do not explicitly detail protocols for medical intervention by external parties versus internal medics in a dynamic, post-shooting environment [5]. The lack of transparency regarding ICE's specific use-of-force policies, including medical response, has been a point of contention [5].
How exactly was a dying woman any kind of threat to a good samaritan doctor or any of the armed ICE agents who prevented anyone from caring for Good?
DeleteYour attempt to justify this indefensible event marks you as a horrible person. You should be ashamed to come around here, to a supposedly liberal blog, in order to gloat over this shooting. You don't belong here, or anywhere that decent people congregate. Slink away, you loathsome person.
Anonymouse 9:35am, you’d have to ask ICE, evidently, it was the agency’s protocol and/or potentially very bad judgment by agents as to the interpretation of protocol.
Delete