TUESDAY, APRIL 28, 2026
"Jokes are jokes," Clooney says: Should Jimmy Kimmel have told that joke? We refer to the joke he told last Thursday night—the joke which went like this:
On Thursday’s Jimmy Kimmel Live!, the host did a mock roast of President Donald Trump and officials in the administration. At one point, Kimmel got around to cracking about the first lady.
“Our First Lady Melania is here,” he said at the time. “Look at her, so beautiful. Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow.”
So joked Jimmy Kimmel, whose judgment was notably imperfect back in the Man Show days. Whose judgment is sometimes less than perfect now.
In fairness, it wasn't exactly a joke! It was a presentation performed as part of a "mock roast"—one possible problem being that, as part of an actual roast, the person being roasted has agreed to be cast in that role.
That's one possible part of the problem. The most obvious part of the problem is this:
As a general matter, it's a bad idea to tell a joke in which you're asking people to laugh and applaud at the thought of some public figure's death. As a general matter, entangling the target's wife in the "some day soon he'll surely be dead" almost surely adds to the shakiness of the whole idea.
So you'll know:
Tasteless jokes envisioning Joe Biden's death have been an ugly, demonically stupid part of the Fox News Channel's nightly menu for several years at this point. The public nutcase known as Greg Gutfeld persistently offers jokes which place the former president inside hearses or deep down in the ground.
His disordered mind can't quit this fun; disordered creeps sit around him on his show pretending it makes perfect sense. In total fairness, let us say this:
Some of these lackeys may be so dumb that they don't see that there's a type of ugliness connected with this manifest nut-ball's behavior.
(Also in fairness, the cable star in question needs help, or so it seems to us.)
Given the garbage this "cable news" channel spews—let's not forget the multiple "jokes" about whether Hunter Biden had started "banging" or [BLEEP]ing first lady Jill Biden yet—it's especially pathetic to see Fox News Channel types reciting the channel's manufactured agitprop about Kimmel's joke, in which the current first lady was pictured dreaming of her husband's death.
Sad! Under current arrangements, there's nothing those Fox News types won't do in service to corporate agitprop. There's nothing they won't do to advance the messaging of the tribe.
But that doesn't mean that our own Man Show grad was employing good taste, or was showing good political sense, when he went with his "mock roast" joke.
No one has perfect judgment; everyone makes mistakes. It might be better, on occasion, to simply say that a certain joke should perhaps have been left unsaid.
Sadly, though—disappointingly—George Clooney didn't do that:
‘Jokes Are Jokes’: George Clooney Defends Jimmy Kimmel After Trumps Demand He Be Fired
Hollywood star and Democratic activist George Clooney stepped up to defend late-night host Jimmy Kimmel after President Donald Trump called for the comedian to be fired by ABC over a White House Correspondents’ Dinner joke mocking First Lady Melania Trump.
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Speaking to Variety at the Chaplin Award Gala in New York on Monday, Clooney dismissed the backlash and drew a direct comparison to remarks by White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, who told Fox News ahead of the Correspondents’ Dinner that “there will be some shots fired tonight in the room,” a line widely understood as a reference to the traditional roasting at the event.
“Jimmy’s a comedian, and I would argue that Karoline Leavitt didn’t mean shots should be fired, right?” Clooney said. “She was making a joke. Fair enough. You look at that side and go, ‘Well, jokes are jokes.’ But the rhetoric is a little dangerous. And we’ve seen it a lot lately."
The comparison to what Leavitt said (on that occasion) is very. very dumb. We find it very hard to believe that Clooney isn't much smarter than that.
At any rate:
"Jokes are jokes," the gentleman said. In a very basic way, it's hard to argue with that.
That said, jokes are also insinuations and suggestions. They put ideas in the air.
Jokes can frequently cover for insults. And unless you think there's no such thing, a joke can be in bad taste—or, at the very least, it may strike voters that way.
The garbage can overflows on the Fox News Channel each night. Increasingly, the sewage from the noxious 10 p.m. show has been seeping down to The Five.
The nightly toxic waste on Fox dwarfs what Kimmel said. That said, Kimmel has often had imperfect judgment—and bad judgment by Hollywood types has been hurting liberal and Democratic Party interests for at least three decades now.
As a general matter, it might not be the greatest idea to invite people to laugh as the picture of a public figure's death. Inserting the public figure's wife won't likely improve the mix.
Dreams of Joe Biden's death are spewed by Gutfeld night after night. He runs a corporate sewage dump. It's best left over there.
Was Kimmel joking when he said Stephen Miller went bald, because he hated that his hair was black?
ReplyDeleteOpinions vary.
Ha!
DeleteWe can't know if the joke was funny until Mary Trump, clinical psychologist who has confirmed the latest Democrat assassination attempt on Trump was "staged," weighs in.
ReplyDeleteSuppose a comic told this joke: "Our First Lady Michelle is here. Look at her, so beautiful. Mrs. Obama, you have a glow like an expectant widow.” The public reaction be drastically different. So different that it would be unthinkable to tell such a joke about the Obamas.
ReplyDeleteObama isn’t 80 years old, you fucking imbecile
DeleteI would laugh, most at the idea of the vulgar Michelle Obama as "glowing."
DeleteAnd Michele isn’t young enough to be Barack s daughter, you fucking imbecile
DeleteTrump's best joke was when he said he didn't sexually assault E. Jean Carroll, because "she's not my type" (meaning pre-teen).
DeleteThe Obama version of the joke wouldn't be funny. Because it's so much easier to imagine Melania hating Trump than Michelle hating Obama. Because Obama isn't a gigantic asshole, but Trump is.
DeleteMissing from the joke kerfuffle: Jerry Seinfeld, aka Mr. Anti-Woke.
DeleteTrump , 23 years older than his wife, cheated on her with a porn star when he should have been worshiping the ground she was nursing their baby on. Unless, of course, she had already locked him out of the bedroom. Barron is roughly 21, which would make her 35 when she was nursing him and Trump 58.
DeleteBugger off with "some Hollywood types." The Democrat party mainstream is deranged Hollywood, bad pop music industry, most tech platforms, lying journalism and corrupted academy, BLM and Antifa. They are all the same. All hateful violent sociopaths who want conservatives dead, preferably murdered.
ReplyDeleteDon't sell yourselves short, Independents and even the non-political want conservatives dead, preferably murdered.
DeleteBasically, the only people who don't want conservatives dead, preferably murdered, are white males and their tradwives.
Delete@4:30 Thank you for modeling the kind of rhetoric that inflames those with unbalanced minds. No wonder Republicans hate Democrats. Look how you describe others.
DeleteSomerby used to complain that this kind of language was "otherization" and enabled people to do bad things to each other. But he only lectured the left about it, not the right. That may be why you guys are so out of control when it comes to talking about people who merely hold different political views than you.
The head of the Republican Party, who sometimes occupies the White House, is a stone cold sociopath, or so I hear. Does that bother you, 4:30?
DeleteSomerby avoids acknowledging the transactional nature of the Trump's marriage. Melania is called Trump's Slovenian rent-a-wife by Tiedrich. The cleaned-up version of how Melania and Donald met is that she was introduced to him by the head of a model agency, the man who helped her get a fraudulent visa to work in the US. That same man is deeply involved in the Epstein files as an accomplice to Epstein's own sex trafficking of young girls under the pretense of being or becoming models. Theirs is obviously not a love match in any traditional sense, given that she has refused to do First Lady duties, slaps his hand and pushes him away on video, lives wherever she pleases (NYC, Mar a Lago and not at the White House), sleeps in a separate bedroom, and has left him during long periods of time when he was out of office, not campaigning with or for him. He has established various money-making grifts that she benefits from financially, most recently her film and book. She expresses little caring for him and he shows no regard for her, skipping a birthday congratulation this month, for example. You give me this and I'll give you that is the essence of a transactional relationship.
ReplyDeleteSo, the joke acknowledges that she will benefit financially and in terms of her freedom when Trump dies. She may even escape some of the taint of Epstein's crimes, if she is lucky, although it is still unclear whether she is a victim or an accomplice (or both). Given her status and Trump's obvious crimes against women, Kimmel's joke was far more than a perhaps tasteless attempt at humor, but was a political commentary on the inappropriateness of Melania's behavior as a first lady. It was criticism aimed at her for her inability to function in that role.
We all know that. It is wrong for the right wing to try to pretend that she deserves the same consideration as Laura Bush, Nancy Reagan, or Michelle Obama, all wives who worked hard to be good first ladies and who clearly loved their husbands in ways that Melania does not (even allowing that she is robotlike in her lack of expression and does not wear her feelings on her sleeve). These are two sociopaths sharing crimes, not a loving couple.
Somerby pretends she is normal and living in a semblance of a normal marriage. None of that is true. He does not ask what is wrong with her, does not claim she "needs help" but then, he doesn't like women much, so she doesn't get the same concern as Tucker and Donald or even Gutfeld or Kimmel. In my opinion, none of these people are normal and none of them deserve our concern because they are perps not victims. Even Kimmel, who lacks the integrity of someone like Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert.
"Somerby avoids acknowledging the transactional nature of the Trump's marriage."
DeletePerhaps that's because he knows nothing about the nature of this relationship and, unlike you, does not pretend that he does.
DG, you are being exceptionally silly. This is like saying we don't know if Trump made any money selling the Lee Greenwood Bible, or those gold high-tops.
DeleteYou can choose not to acknowledge any of the very public evidence about their marriage, but it doesn't change its nature. It makes you seem like a fool.
DG, don't you think Trump should have said something nice about Melania's birthday? Why didn't he? There is no good answer to that question.
DeleteI've read Somerby for years. He doesn't pretend to know anything.
Delete"It makes you seem like a fool"
DeletePerhaps. But, in my view, it is foolish to pretend to know what you don't.
Melania's offices were in the East Wing, which Trump tore down without informing the nation where the First Lady would perform her duties after that. They know that pretending Melania is really a first lady is a fraud, so they didn't even go through the motions.
DeleteGiven Trump's health problems, Trump's blood pressure and vascular problems would make it dangerous for him to use boner pills. He would find no enjoyment in providing pleasure to others, so Melania is now a useless "trophy wife" adding to his imagined stature with her "looks", but certainly not a helpmeet.
How do I know Trump and Melania are transactional? They both have histories of associating with Epstein, participating in parties where sex is exchanged for favors, money, material goods, status, career advancement and where women are treated as commodities not people.
Remember that photo where Epstein sells a woman to Trump, laughing about the giant check he wrote?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/09/trump-epstein-photo-check-woman
DeleteMelania won't grieve, any more than she has shown concern for Trump's falling down while being hustled out of the ballroom, his obvious dementia, or his decline in office. She clearly doesn't care about him. When he dies, she may not benefit financially, being limited to terms of their prenup and his will, so she may have little interest in taking care of him these days, which are clearly the end of his life.
DeleteThis huff over Kimmel's joke makes a fool out of all of us if we honor Republican's demands that we respect the pretense of their empty marriage, the way we would an obviously affectionate and loving couple (Michelle & Barack, Jill & Joe, Kamala & Doug but also the Republicans who loved their wives enough not to desert them in the hospital with cancer, as Newt did). Jimmy Carter, for all his faults as president, loved his wife enough to be ashamed of "lusting in his heart" while married. Look at the way Trump now slobbers inappropriately over the blonde women he meets on the job, behaving like a dirty old man and being a total embarrassment to Melania, if she were paying attention. Look at Laura Loomer bragging about the blow-jobs she's given Trump. And he tolerates that! And so does the press.
Getting upset on Melania's behalf is a total farce. It is dishonest to all concerned. Kimmel was right to make that joke because it was truthful. If the right is embarrassed by it, they have no one to blame but themselves for putting a sociopath into office.
Neither Somerby nor DG bother with evidence, and yes, they’re both incredibly silly people.
DeleteThe right is using this attempted shooting to suppress Democratic free speech, blaming the rhetoric and not the president's malfeasance for this latest attack. Todd Blanche says:
Delete"When you have reporters, when you have media just being overly critical and calling the president horrible names for no reason and without evidence, it shouldn't surprise us that this type of rhetoric takes place."
DG echoes that talking point -- that we have no evidence that would support what was said about Melania, when we have plenty of evidence for those willing to look at it. Somerby demands absolute proof before he will admit anything can be known. DG demands absolute proof that Somerby said what he has clearly been saying for years, refusing to accept the evidence provided. Much as he says now that we cannot know the nature of Trump and Melania's relationship when it is being played out in public and is obvious for anyone with even a tiny hint of psychological awareness.
People gossip about each other's relationships all the time, and have been doing so since the dawn of history. Women, if not men, understand what is going on with other couples, even when they think they are hiding things. Because human beings are social as part of group cohesion and survival under adversity. Women know when their husbands are cheating, and vice versa. There are some clueless people who don't read social situations and cues, but most of us know already that Melania will be happy when Trump dies, much as more than half of the nation will be. People are planning to dance on Trump's grave. And he deserves it.
Go ahead and pretend you know the nature of their relationship, if you want to. I really couldn’t care less.
DeleteBut you don’t.
The theory that Somerby is making some kind of point with his daily ramblings has never been proven.
DeleteDG, if you don't know the nature of their relationship, you cannot say for sure whether I am right or wrong, nor can you say whether I know things you don't.
DeleteWhy do you come here and bother other people instead of expressing your own views?
"Trump , 23 years older than his wife, cheated on her with a porn star when he should have been worshiping the ground she was nursing their baby on. Unless, of course, she had already locked him out of the bedroom. Barron is roughly 21, which would make her 35 when she was nursing him and Trump 58."
DeleteDG, do you think stuff like this says nothing about their relationship?
The nature of Trump's relationship with his wife is irrelevant to the rest of Trump's behavior as president, except that it shows that he cares about no one but himself, as does everything he does.
Delete“Dreams of Joe Biden's death are spewed by Gutfeld night after night.”
ReplyDeleteI don’t recall Biden or his FCC chair or the Democratic Party demanding Gutfeld’s firing.
The only one going on about Gutfeld is Somerby.
Trump is already reviled by independents and a growing number of Republicans/Trump voters. Telling them that criticizing the president or joking about him is now tantamount to inciting violence is probably not going to bring them back into his camp.
ReplyDelete"(Also in fairness, the cable star in question needs help, or so it seems to us.)"
ReplyDeleteWe do not live in a society where optimal mental health is mandatory, compulsory, or even facilitated by our govt. Some countries require mentally ill people to be diagnosed, take medication and give them pensions, barring them from working. We allow way more individual freedom to the mentally ill (Somerby's "those who need help").
There is dystopian sci fi about societies where people are drugged into a happy stupor to prevent resistance to an authoritarian leader. Brave New World is an example but there are newer ones. I don't want to live in such a society. If avoiding Gutfeld's jokes is the price I have to pay, I will gladly do so to retain the right to be imperfect, physically, mentally and emotionally.
It has never seemed to me that Somerby values our freedoms. This demand that the weird among us be treated strikes me as similar to his demand that some Cronkite-like figure deliver a consensus truth to us on approved media.
"us" = Somerby trying to evade responsibility for his opinions by pretending others share them
DeleteRobert Redford is a star. Kimmel is a standup comedian.
Delete86 47.
ReplyDeleteCome and get me, coppers!
Bob hides the fact that this joke was told a week ago, before the staged event at the WHCD.
ReplyDeleteApparently Bob is also unaware that Dems aren’t snowflakes like Republicans and so Dems don’t care if Republicans make jokes about Dems.
Grow up, Bob. And hurry, times running out.
Bob's post twice states that the joke was told last Thursday, which as most functioning adults will know, is prior to the assassination attempt.
DeleteLots of growing up to do around here.
"That said, jokes are also insinuations and suggestions. They put ideas in the air.
ReplyDeleteJokes can frequently cover for insults. And unless you think there's no such thing, a joke can be in bad taste—or, at the very least, it may strike voters that way. "
What's this have to do with Kimmel's joke?
Maybe Melania is planning to run for president?
DeleteIneligible being a foreign born whore
DeleteSomerby the pearl clutcher. I told y’all.
ReplyDeleteWhat a putz.
Yesterday, top officials at the Pentagon sat for an address from...Kid Rock.
ReplyDeleteMeritocracy, all y'all.
That was after weekend Fox NOOZ morning show host and occasional rapist Pete “neo-Nazi” Hegseth gave him a helicopter ride.
DeleteKid Rock flies in Army helicopter weeks after flights near his house drew scrutiny
That young man could have shot and killed the President. If he was on the same floor as the President, or if he had fired a shot from one of his guns. Neither of which is a fact.
ReplyDeleteUntil you can prove Hitler was a Russian asset, assigned to destroy Germany by gutting it's foundation, please stop comparing Trump to him.
ReplyDeleteTrump’s "ballroom" refers to a large reception hall added to the Old Reich Chancellery during Hitler's expansion of the building in 1933, which could also serve as a ballroom. This space was part of the complex that included the Führerbunker, where Hitler and his staff would later take refuge during air raids.
DeleteI'm amazed that the same people who regularly ask, "Can't you take a joke" are the same folks who can't recognize one.
ReplyDeleteKimmel told his joke before the WHCD shooting. Context matters.
ReplyDeleteTrump joked about his demise for the King of England yesterday. Fucking hippocrittical weirdos.
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