FRIDAY, MAY 29, 2026
Democratization's spawn: Why do certified experts insist that our nation already qualifies as a classic failed state?
Look at what remains of the discourse, these experts all say—and sure enough! Last night, the assault on the possibilities of the American project was present again, for all to see, on the second most-watched "cable news" program within the American firmament.
Talarico was being baited again. The Times was averting its gaze:
Stephen Miller Goes All In On Schoolyard Talarico Taunts: ‘Less Testosterone Than Jasmine Crockett’
Stephen Miller went all in on taunting Texas state Rep. James Talarico on Thursday, telling Jesse Watters that when the Senate candidate gets his blood drawn, “soy milk comes out.”
Miller joined Jesse Watters Primetime to discuss the still unresolved conflict with Iran, before moving to a favored topic for both men–attacking Talarico’s masculinity. The top advisor to President Donald Trump tweeted on Wednesday that Talarico was the “first transgender Senate candidate” – a post that made headlines after the official DNC account replied by calling him an “ugly f*ck.” Miller repeated the line to Watters on Thursday, before launching into a long, insult-laden rant against Talarico.
“Well, first of all, I think it’s very bold, one could say brave, courageous, that the Democratic Party would choose Texas of all places to nominate their first transgender Senate candidate,” he said.
Willa Pope Robbins was on the scene again, reporting for Mediaite. (videotape included), Believe it or not, the transcript runs like this:
WATTERS (5/28/26): Could we see another historical defeat in Texas? Because the Democrats have nominated James Talarico, who to me just screams "Texas."
MILLER: Well, first of all, I think it’s very bold, one could say brave, courageous, that the Democratic Party would choose Texas of all places to nominate their first transgender Senate candidate.
He’s clearly transitioning into a female. You know, when Talarico goes in for a blood test, when he gets a physical, blood doesn’t come out; instead, soy milk comes out. This man has less testosterone than Jasmine Crockett.
It is a mind-boggling choice. They would choose a person to run for that office who looks like he doesn’t belong in the Senate but in a cabaret show. Look, at the end of the day, I have a hard time believing that the people of Texas, some of the toughest, roughest, strongest men and women, the pioneer heritage, the frontier history, from the Mexican American war, through the Alamo and everything else, are going to choose somebody with that much soy to be a U.S. senator compared to a real conservative patriotic, God-fearing and truly be loved statewide figure in Ken Paxton.
WATTERS: They should have nominated Crockett!...God bless him, as they say down there. More UFO files straight ahead.
(For the slightly fuller videotape, you can start clicking here.)
So it went, with UFO files coming next, as millions of American citizens watched from locations within our failed state.
No, Virginia! James Talarico isn't transgender, nor is he "transitioning into a female." (Elsewhere, some people are.) Also, there have been no published reports of soy milk in his veins.
Regarding the question of Texas heritage, the hopeful has said that's he's eighth generation; we've seen no one dispute that claim. Other Texans have elected him to the Texas legislature, where he has served four terms.
In that transcript, you're looking at the latest swill from the garbage can Suzanne Scott pries open each night at Fox. In fairness, Watters didn't make the mistake this time of openly saying "gay."
As we noted yesterday, he had done so the previous day; it was part of the latest ugly clown show performed by him on The Five. That had been a bit of a rookie mistake, but also a mistake born of ardor.
Experts say that a modern nation which tolerates this is, in fact, a failed state—and there was a time, not long ago, when swill like this would never have been seen or heard on a nationwide "news" broadcast.
Those days are long gone, the certified experts all say. They say this low-IQ garbage is with us for good. It's the fruit of democratization.
Not long ago, people like Watters and Miller had to seek each other out in furtive fashion. But then, the democratization, along with the rich, did come into our lives.
Talk radio came, and the Internet came, and 24-hour cable news went demonically partisan. After that, social media came, and before long the crowning blow:
Before long, the podcasters came! The rise of these new platforms created the world described by this new bromide:
Every gay-baiter a king!
These people could find each other with great ease now; they could congregate in large numbers. At the Fox News Channel, ownership hired as many of these people as they could.
As a result, we the people can now hear gay-baiting, and trans-baiting, along with ugly insults directed at women, pretty much whenever we please.
A new subgroup had been formed. An earlier type of discourse is gone, but various subgroups remain.
Democratization let this world emerge. Helen Lewis explores this new world in her lengthy cover report for the June edition of the Atlantic.
Lewis may be our most instructive current writer. Inevitably, she lives across the pond.
Yesterday, we linked you to her current essay. As we noted, it carries this dual headline, and her text begins as shown:
THE MEN WHO WANT WOMEN TO BE QUIET
A virulent form of misogyny has become the single most important force holding together the American right.
Douglas Wilson has a modest proposal to improve American life: He wants to repeal the Nineteenth Amendment, which gave women the vote. In his ideal system, “we would do it in our politics the same way we do it in our church structure,” he told me recently. “And that is, we vote by household.”
Wilson is a co-founder of the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, based in Moscow, Idaho. Over the past five decades, he has built a small empire there, dedicated to disseminating his theocratic vision for the United States: a publishing house, a school, a liberal-arts college, and a video-streaming service. His denomination, which has about 170 affiliated churches, counts Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth as a member, and Wilson was invited to lead a prayer service at the Pentagon in February. So when the pastor casually suggests disenfranchising half of America, people listen.
Douglas Wilson is more a pastor than a podcaster, but he does have a video-streaming service. He's connected to Pete Hegseth, and he doesn't want women to vote.
Wilson is entitled to his views—and as we've noted, matters of sexuality and gender have always been hard. When Moses descended from the mountain, his tablets didn't describe the perfect way to structure relation between men- and women-folk.
It's too bad that he didn't! As we noted yesterday, European literature begins with the Iliad, a war poem built around the belief of its principal characters that society should be built around male subjugation of women. That includes the subjugation of Helen, radiance of woman, and the subjugation of the kidnapped daughter of the local priest to Apollo:
"Never again, old man,
let me catch sight of you by the hollow ships!
Not loitering now, not slinking back tomorrow.
The staff and the wreaths of god will never save you then.
The girl? I won't give up the girl. Long before that,
old age will overtake her in my house, in Argos,
far from her fatherland. slaving back and forth
at the loom, forced to share my bed!
So said the furious Agamemnon, the furious lord of men.
Years later, Lewis is exploring the attitudes displayed by Agamemnon's heirs. She started with the Pastor Wilson, but soon she began to cite the furious podcasters who now people the land.
As with the troops under Agamemnon, the roll call of these furious fellows goes on and on and on. Before long, Lewis reports what Pastor Wilson says on his website, and she also states the name of the movement she is exploring:
[There is a] twinkly, avuncular Douglas Wilson, the guy who joined a hippie congregation fresh out of the Navy because he liked to play guitar...
But the 72-year-old shows a different side on his website, Blog & Mablog. For more than two decades, Wilson has been airing piquant opinions on unruly women—or, as he calls them, “small-breasted biddies,” “harridans,” “lumberjack dykes,” and “Jezebels.” He once referred to Gloria Steinem and another feminist as “a couple of cunts.” And this is the polite version. Every year he celebrates “No Quarter November,” when he promises to tell readers what he really thinks.
[...]
Wilson is a prominent voice in what is sometimes called “masculinism”: a movement to fight back against the advances of feminism and reassert the primacy of men.
Like most popular movements, masculinism has many entry points, and both defensible and alarming forms. At one end of the spectrum are legitimate concerns about male loneliness, the declining share of men in higher education, stagnant wages for non-college-educated men, and the deadening effects of day-trading, gaming, and porn. At the other end of masculinism are a misogynist vocabulary about AWFULs and the longhouse (terms that we’ll come back to) and a political agenda close to that in The Handmaid’s Tale, whereby women are denied the right to work, vote, and control their own bodies.
"Why do certified experts insist that our nation already qualifies as a classic failed state?"
ReplyDeleteWhy does Somerby assert this without citing a single "certified" expert?
Trump is still a threat. He hasn't taken over yet. We still have a Constitution, a Supreme Court, a Congress. Recall that Hitler disbanded his when he proclaimed himself dictator. Trump hasn't done that and I doubt we would tolerate it if he did -- given his current state of ill health. On what basis does Somerby call us a failed state?
Given that Somerby will not examine Trump's actions and confines his criticism to saying that Trump is crazy, and Somerby will not urge any act of resistance, not even marching or funding Democratic candidates, Somerby appears to be condoning and furthering Trump's agenda by calling him a "wild and crazy guy" in the same way that SNL glorified those Dan Aykroyd and Steve Martin characters funning around in their bright colored shirts. It is all harmless nonsense according to Somerby, but our state is failed because the mainstream press will not call Trump crazy the way Somerby and his gal pal Mary Trump do.
As usual, Somerby's essay today is useless.
WTF? Trump stacked the USSC with loons who ruled he can do any fucking illegal thing he wants, and his Republican Congressional advantage let's him do anything he wants. Illegal tariffs, AOK, illegal warring, AOK, stealing billions in plain sight, AOK, ruining our international reputation, AOK, etc.. The fucking DOJ is run by his (former) personal lawyer and he is actively attacking his perceived enemies thru lawfare. His goons have shredded Government institutions and stolen all our digital information. He has stolen voter rolls and let us know there will be soldiers at the ballot box, and your mail in ballots will be fucked with by the USPS. And they gave him $200 Billion for his brown shirt army that can murder you without any consequences. I could go on, but no worries, nothing to see over here but the plutocrats Project 2025 going swimmingly well to end democracy.
Delete2:17,
DeleteGuillotines are the answer.
"They want to be in charge of the girls. We'll guess that, in large part, they're simply wired that way."
ReplyDeleteWhen Somerby speaks like this about misogyny, he places himself firmly in the ranks of the men he refers to as "they." And no, this is not a matter of wiring. It is part of the culture wars. Culture is created, invented, not innate. We know this because it varies so widely across place and time. Calling one's preferred views "wiring" is lazy self-justification that ignores others. It is how racism was created too -- to justify owning other people and forcing them to submit to atrocities. Men who think this way are dangerous, including Somerby.
Hear! Hea!
DeleteI was pretty fucking awful to women in my youth (12-14 - pretty much Beavis), but I learned to be way better out of consideration for them, and to create a so far 45 year union with my wife. I also worked at being considerate at work, admonishing other men who called them gals, or barked loudly how hot Alice is. Being a shithead towards women is not embedded in mens DNA. It is taught. What happened to men being taught to be considerate and kind. What the fuck is wrong with the old male chauvinist pig Somerby anyway? He's coming off as that old creepy guy. You don't want to be that guy.
Normal, formally educated and less educated folk alike laugh together when the liberal brainwashed try to suggest male domination of women is "cultural." It must be hell to exist so far outside of reality.
DeleteMen who try that shit on women in the military or police find out quickly how wired domination of women is. The idea that misbehavior is hardwired and thus privileged to men is wrong whenever women obtain the means to fight back. Men with these attitudes similarly justify bullying as a natural part of their right to dominate others, until they meet someone bigger, then they object that their natural order is being usurped. Men in the military respect rank not size when it comes to who they obey.
DeleteIf you consider our cultural views about male domination of women to be so far outside your reality, you may wind up in a prison cell.
DeleteDo explain 5:53. You make no sense.
Delete"the liberal brainwashed try to suggest male domination of women is "cultural." Says the cuck who can't find a woman to date him.
DeleteIf a man thinks he can do whatever he wants to women because boys will be boys and he is just hardwired that way and culture can never change that, he is going to do things that break the law and he will be convicted and put in jail for those things. Women vote now, which means they serve on juries and elect DAs and can (and do) make a fuss when rapists are not charged or are acquitted or given too lenient sentences. That is what happened to the judge who let Brock Turner off with a too short sentence -- he was recalled by the voters.
DeleteGuys who think it is just part of their reality to knock women around when they get uppity, are going to have prison sentences because going to jail for violence against women is part of our modern nation's justice system, even in the retarded South.
Women are rejecting right wing men on dating websites. Specifying no MAGA is part of dating "culture" these days because what self-respecting woman wants to be with a man who thinks a penis means he gets to dominate her?
DeleteHow could anyone believe a lazy thinker like Somerby is a Right-winger?
DeleteLOL.
Somerby is paid by the right to push right wing talking points and memes at his blog. We might admire him for continuing to work well past retirement age, but his work is lazy, lots of cut and paste from irrelevant sources to fill up space until he gets to his actual point, which is always that Blue America sucks.
Delete"Gutfeld insults women every night."
ReplyDeleteSomerby does this too. He insults women every time he tries to discuss women's issues or specific womens' actions. He has no clue about women because of his own upbringing and choices as an adult man.
It is in fact an insult to think that women care whether a cretin like Gutfeld calls Behar a whale or cow when there are serious injustices and abuses that need attention to be fixed. Examples: abortion rights and other women's health issues, including contraception and inclusion in medical research; affordable child care, co-parenting and shared home maintenance so that women can participate fully in society via jobs and other activities; equal pay and equal access to promotion and all job categories in the workplace instead of confinement to pink ghettos and lower paying dead-end work; investigation and prosecution of domestic violence, rape, assault and other crimes against women; restoration of women to the positions they earned in the military and other govt jobs; pensions for domestic workers and home care health workers; recognition of exploitation of women in films; return of DEI and an end to belitting or erasure of the accomplishments of women.
Women want real restoration of their advances and progress toward their long-standing goals in society. They do not need Somerby's distorted idea of chivalric defense against the name-calling of women who are obvious successes by virtue of hosting a long-running, highly rated talk show.
Gutfeld's show is aimed at men while The View is aimed at women, appearing in a daytime TV timeslot, where it is #1. Women don't watch and don't care about Gutfeld. He is performatively attacking women in order to gratify men in his audience. His verbal attacks on women simulate the very real physical and sexual attacks women experience in real life. Those matter. Gutfeld's attacks are symbolic, come across loud and clear to men and demonstrate the approval of male violence implicitly signaled by Trump himself and the right wing in general. Somerby does not make that connection. He thinks the words are the problem because women are delicate flowers who must be protected from men's strong speech, when it is the violence that is the problem for women. Somerby routinely takes the side of men accused of violence, not the women reporting it, as when he defended convicted rapist Brock Turner and accused pedophile Roy Moore. Somerby has never spoken out about releasing the Epstein files and prosecuting the perpetrators of the heinous crimes that are Epstein's legacy, despite Trump's obvious complicity and ongoing coverup.
When Somerby wants to get serious about women's issues, he will stop promoting Gutfeld's show and stop the oblique references to fake socio-biological justifications of male abuse he thinks are described by Homer. Homer was apparently the Gutfeld of his time, not someone who empathized with any female character in his narratives.
Awesome rant
Delete"Homer was apparently the Gutfeld of his time"
DeleteBrilliant analogy.
hus Sayeth Our Gracious Host:
ReplyDeleteAs this conduct continues on Fox, the New York Times averts its gaze—refuses to report the fact that this surprising journalistic behavior is taking place. As a general matter, the Atlantic is silent too—and even Lewis failed to mention the furious heirs to Agamemnon who patrol the nation's most-watched "cable news" programs for three solid hours each weekday night.
Agamemnon swore that he wouldn't surrender the girl. The rise of the movement Lewis describes suggests that these attitudes are deeply bred in the bone.
Some of these fellows may simply be wired in such a way that these reactions can't be stopped from surging up into their undersized heads. But these reactions are widespread, and a mutt like Gutfeld—the guy is 61 years old!—teaches young men, on a nightly basis, that this is the way they should see the world and that this is the way they should play.
A possible explanation for why The Atlantic and The Times do not pay attention to Gutfield's and his minions' nightly emissions of misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia is that they are not as influential among "young men," as Somerby asserts. Looking at weekly ratings [1] for Gutfeld!, only 292,000 viewers aged 18-49 watched the show, using the highest weekly viewer ratings currently published. To me (and all my analysts at my sprawling campus), that does not seem very high, especially in an age where “democratized media,” as Our Gracious Host describes it, has audio and video podcasts that get into the millions of downloads and viewers per episode, and definitely skew towards the “young men” demographic. It would also seem to me that it would be a stretch to call men who watch Gutfeld! form the ages of 35-49 "young men," but, again, that's just me. It seems to me, that the audience that watches Gutfeld! is not very young, and probably like most of Fox New's audience skews very old, in the age bracket that encompasses Our Gracious Host. Will Our Gracious Host take that into consideration when he repeats again and again, the same article complaining about why The Times and The Atlantic do not obsess over Gutfeld!?
I will also point out a couple of other things:
DeleteMr. Gutfeld once made his "bones" running a magazine called "Stuff" and later "Maxim," which catered to the "lad" demographic some twenty years ago. Twenty years ago, the "lad" demographic could have been considered synonymous with "young men," but that was twenty years ago. I would be surprised if any "young men" would remember such magazines, or, even what a magazine is. It would seem much more likely that they would be influenced by someone like Dave Portnoy of Barstool Sports, who seems like they play the role that a Gutfeld would have had some twenty years ago.
My final point will be that cable news has largely fallen away as something that people influences people's thinking, or, drives media narratives. That has largely moved on to such "democratized" media such as podcasts, live streams, social media as Our Gracious Host puts it, even though there is very little democratization that has occurred there. When I interact with "young men" in my daily life, they never speak about cable news as something they watch, only podcasts, live streams, and social media. I really wonder if Our Gracious Host has processed this fact in his life, if he ever really interacts with "young men" at any point during his day, of, if he just interacts with people at the Bagel Shop, as he used to describe back in the day, or, with fellow elderly people who must populate the doctors' rooms during the many medical excursions that populate his calendar these days.
A perfect example of the decline of the influence of cables news like Fox News as an influence is Tucker Carlson. Tucker may have been the most influential person in cable news before his firing. When he was fired, I thought Tucker would decline in his influence on the Right; however, the opposite happened: his influence has increased even more with his podcast only approach. In this vein, it makes sense that the Times recently did a high profile interview with Tucker Carlson, and not Greg Gutfeld.
As an aside, there is not much “democratized” about the alleged “democratized media” that Our Gracious Host bangs on about almost daily. For example, many “democratized media” outlets and personalities are very heavily subsidized early in their histories by wealthy rightwing donors and foundations; The Daily Wire run by former pundit wunderkind Ben Shapiro is most notorious example. Please watch this [2] brief video for more information.
Make no mistake: I fully think that the disgusting misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia daily broadcast on Fox News should be documented by such legacy media as the Times and The Atlantic, but I think they largely don't because Fox News isn't as influential as it once was, and certainly isn't very influential among "young men."
1 https://ustvdb.com/networks/fox-news/shows/gutfeld/
2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6US0FP_Xklo
Well, I enjoyed Bob’s essay. I suspect you may not have had a launching point for your post if he had simply omitted the word “young” from the sentence you focus on.
DeleteI myself don’t watch Fox news, so I appreciate the window Bob provides on what is broadcast every night. It must require amazing strength of will to do so, because what they say is really quite remarkable, meaning unbelievably retrograde, and worthy of outrage.
If 3 million+ people view this shit (not a small number for broadcast “news”), I don’t think age really matters, and it could be argued that 292,000 “young men” is a pretty substantial number.
It would be legitimate for news for legacy outlets like the Times to report on Stephen Miller’s appearance on Fox, especially given the rancorous nature of the things he said. As far as I know, they haven’t, but I may have overlooked something. When baleful Trumpian mandarins are given air time to spew their crap, it should be reported widely.
Leroy
Sorry for the poor editing. Also, kinda nice to see old names pop up on this site.
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I heard about Miller from several different sources today and I never touch the fucking NY Times.
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DeleteI've not seen these sources you speak of. And the NYT is interesting, because you get to see what an infuential source is reporting about current affairs and compare them with other sources. It can be quite revealing. Kinda like what Bob does.
Plus, the Times does print stuff that’s worth reading, even though their rightward drift in the opinion section has been ongoing for some time now.
Leroy
Majority Report with Sam Seder today; John Fugelsang on Sirius last night.
DeleteI’m waiting for the Times to get to the bottom of whitewater, intrepid reporting that they do
And who can forget the great reporting the times did leading up to the 2016 election. Her emails and I credible reporting on the Clinton uranium mines without which we may never have known the great Trump years
DeleteI got into the uranium mine story weeds. What a complete pile of manufactured bullshit to attack Hillary, as usual, while the lifelong pig and crook gets a fucking pass on everything.
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DeleteIt gets wearisome to repeat this, but Bob' been commenting, lo these many years, on the MSM (read that, TV and legacy journos), not Youtubers and Sirius, which I guess is radio you have to pay for.
Leroy
Leroy, Somerby's refusal to consume any other media than Fox, while complaining about what he thinks isn't being covered by so-called Blue Media is HIS fault, not ours.
DeleteYoutube is not radio. Try it sometime.
DeleteLast I heard, NY Times is not free.
DeleteTalarico did say God is nonbinary. https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/james-talarico-god-nonbinary-bible/
ReplyDeleteYour own article states: "Most Christian traditions adhere to the theological belief that God, the Creator, is genderless—also, not actually a created, anatomically correct human person."
DeleteWhat do you think, David? Does God have a gender?
DeleteWe can't describe the gender of the incomprehensible; we can say David in Cal is stupid as fuck. What the fuck is Talarico's policies you object to you fucking creep? Name me one good thing about Paxton's legion of human sickness. Talarico is a fine man Paxton is an odious creep. This is all you got? Fucking gender?You a fucking weirdo David.
DeleteIf you believe in an imaginary being, does it have a gender? It's another take on: does a tree falling in a forest makes a sound when no one listens.
DeleteAnother take, David: how can we miss you when you won't go away?
DeleteChristianity is the only Abrahamic religion not constrained by the edict against graven idols.
DeleteAnd we do it good - male, blue-eyed, blond, and aching to save you.
Leroy
Assume you are talking about our exalted Lord & Savior, Don the Con J. Trump, the Lessor, Leroy?
Delete4:21
DeletePlease, assume nothing. Especially that.
Leroy
Dickhead, the Jewish Zionist atheist Christian Nationalist chimes in on the proper gender of God. You can’t make this stuff up
DeleteQuaker - I don't believe in God. I quoted that comment because it might impact some Texas voters.
DeleteFuck you David. You quoted that comment because you are an awful person. You know it was a nonsensical nasty bullshit comment, but you just had to do it for reasons. Feckless asshole cult member David.
DeleteDavid could have commented on Paxton's endless evil, but he just had to repeat the bullshit about Talarico?
DeleteIf David's God does not exist, why did God make him so fucking nasty?
DeleteTalarico is bi. Faggot and homo.
DeleteYou should know since you like it up your ass.
Delete5:17,
DeleteSince Talarico is of legal age, Republicans just aren't that into him.
I call fucking bullshit on, "Christianity is the only Abrahamic religion not constrained by the edict against graven idols." Asshole.
DeleteHey bullshit caller, there are three Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Islam and Judaism do not permit graven images (idols). Christianity does. And Trump supporters double down when they portray Trump as Jesus, something that comes across as blasphemy. So, please explain the basis for calling @4:03 bullshit.
DeleteYou speak backwards.
Delete"Christianity is the only Abrahamic religion not constrained by the edict against graven idols." I can't follow. Keep It Simple Straightforward (KISS).
We in the US cannot help it if you Eastern European trolls cannot understand English.
Delete"Democratization's spawn: Why do certified experts insist that our nation already qualifies as a classic failed state?"
ReplyDeleteEdmund Burke laughs.
I’m sorry he is not entitled to his views. Certain views are unacceptable and that’s one of them. Always with the qualifiers. That one was unnecessary and quite frankly wrong. He is not entitled to that view.
ReplyDelete"This is all part of an ancient pattern, in which sexuality and gender have always been challenging—hard."
ReplyDeleteSomerby should read some books about what marriage and relationships were like even a few hundred years ago, or in medieval times, or in biblical times. Marriages were arranged by parents. Men who didn't support their families and children were punished by the church and the community. Men who committed crimes against women (rape, assault) were murdered in extralegal justice by the woman's family.
This idea that real men used to be allowed to rape and take whatever women they wanted is bunk. The Bible contains any number of strict laws about who could do what with which women. God had rules governing women and men's behavior. These are even stricter in orthodox Jewish and traditional religious communities. Today's rules governing interactions between men and women rely on self-control not community control, reflecting the greater emphasis on psychological understanding of behavior in a much more free culture enabled by our current practices of education and policing.
If Somerby yearns to return to old times where licentious behavior is thought to be hard-wired into men, he will get the strict and invasive governance of sexuality that went with such attitudes. Chaperones, chastity belts, no sex without a marital commitment including financial settlement on the woman, lack of privacy for the poor and middle classes, church control over every aspect of one's life from work to religious observance, with no play and no tolerance of drunken misbehavior (like Hegseth and Patel display). That is what the old times were like.
Those who could not control themselves sexually in the old days were much more harshly treated than Epstein and Trump, wealth or not. Ascribing bad behavior to the devil meant that someone under Satan's influence could be put to death in order to purge a community of evil. We can go back to those times, Somerby, so be careful what you wish for.
Tar & feather the rotten bastard.
DeletePam Bondi was not under oath and refused to answer questions about Trump and Epstein
ReplyDeleteBecause fuck you. What are you going to do about it
"That said, this strange man can't seem to quit the practice of insulting women in the ugliest ways possible. "
ReplyDeleteThe ugliest way possible to insult a woman is to pay her less than a man for the same work.
My older sister is still fucking pissed off by that bullshit.
Delete"Years later, Lewis is exploring the attitudes displayed by Agamemnon's heirs. "
ReplyDeleteSomerby thinks that today's young men are studying Agamemnon. Maybe the white supremacist bros are using Homer as a dating guide, but most men today have never heard of Agamemnon.
You cannot draw a straight line from Homer to Jordan Petersen to Andrew Tate. Arguably, men like Epstein and Trump treat other men just as badly as they treat women. They are transactional bullies. They are bad people. They do not exemplify modern norms for relationships or anything else except billionaire corruption and white collar crime.
Somerby's own life reflects the poverty of his views about women and men. He has never made it work for himself. What then qualifies him to have an opinion about Homer's descriptions of the mistreatment of women by male warriors in tales told around campfires by men speaking to other men, most likely drunk. Homer is ancient porn because it appeals to violence and sexual urges of listeners. It is not any kind of reality even during ancient times (Homer's day, when such stories were told). Just as there were no Greek gods meddling in men's lives by handing around women, there was most likely no Paris, no Helen, and no pillaging of Troy. How then does Somerby justify using these ancient assholes as role models?
"How then does Somerby justify using these ancient assholes as role models?'
DeleteYou seem to be confused. An asshole is that thing you see when you look in a mirror.
PeeWee Herman said it better: "I know you are, but what am I?" Are you a child?
DeleteIs it even remotely possible that you actually think Somerby holds Agamemnon up as a role model?
DeleteHow much courtesy does a commenter deserve when they label the Iliad "ancient porn" and Paris and Helen 'assholes'?
DeleteHelen was not an asshole. Homer was an asshole. Helen most likely didn't exist. There is debate about whether Homor existed as a single individual. Somerby ignores the role of the Greek gods in assigning Helen to Paris, so he blames Helen when she had no choice, no agency.
DeleteSomerby holds various Greek warriors up as role models, but mostly he uses Homer to justify his claim that men abusing women is bred in the bone, innate, because some guys described in ancient porn behaved badly.
I made that very clear. You do not need to paraphrase what I said in order to attack me. Just quote.
@1:23, there are men who collect ancient porn. Are you seriously suggesting it doesn't exist? I have been labeling Paris and Helen fictional characters invented by Homer for the enjoyment of his listeners (largely men). To the extent that there is sexual content, that makes it porn, especially when we can see from Somerby's reaction that even modern men get off on it. There is a bro cult that focuses on warrior exploits and mistreatment of women. Somerby appears to be part of it, except that he also comes across as a hermit who only goes out of his house to visit the doctor.
"Curtis Yarvin (also known by his pseudonym Mencius Moldbug) has no specific body of writing dedicated to analyzing historical ancient Greek warfare. However, as a political theorist and leading figure of the "Dark Enlightenment," he occasionally references Ancient Greece in a metaphorical context, specifically contrasting democratic Athens with militaristic Sparta.Yarvin draws on the history of Greek city-states to critique democracy and explore his ideal of absolute monarchy or a corporate-style autocracy:Athens as a Metaphor for the Status Quo: In his writings on the Gray Mirror Substack, Yarvin uses "Athens" to represent a softer, decentralized, or "peasant-led" country. He has notably characterized the US government's modern "Ministry of Truth" and cultural apparatuses as a blend of monarchy and democracy, warning that a nation managed this way functions as "Athens, not Sparta".Critique of Democratic Instability: Far-right theorists in Yarvin's intellectual circle often point to the bloody histories of Greek demagogy and radical democracy as cautionary tales utilized by the American Founders. Yarvin frequently expresses contempt for the Enlightenment-era democratic experiment as a whole.Historical Analogies: He occasionally employs ancient Greek history for geopolitical analogies, famously comparing—in a 2021 essay—a theoretical, bloodless Chinese conquest of the Western Hemisphere to the Roman conquest of Greece. In this analogy, he argues that the invading force wouldn't destroy institutions like Harvard but would seek to capture them and harness their value, much like Rome did with Greek educational centers."
DeleteSomerby did the same when he assigned Blue America to the role of Troy and called Red America equivalent to the Achaeans on the beach, telling us that Democrats are fated to lose both elections and democracy because of our resemblance to Troy.
He occasionally uses phrases and makes mention of things that go back to Yarvin and the extremist rights borrowing of Greek history. It is all sophistry and pseudo-historical, especially because Somerby and others who lap up this stuff know so little about history, and ignore what doesn't fit well, such a literal existence of meddling gods.
DG doesn't bother finding out anything, so that makes him the asshole in chief. His only reason for being here is to attack other comments, which makes him a lot like Somerby, who only writes his blog to attack Democrats.
To 1:47, in no particular order:
DeleteTo deny that the Iliad is ancient porn is not to deny the existence of ancient porn;
It is the handling of "sexual content" in a piece of writing that renders it porn, not its mere presence.
Somerby does not take the position that various Greek warriors should be viewed as role models; he says rather, that their behavior toward women continues today. His observation is diagnostic, not prescriptive.
If it is only Homer you think to be an asshole, then why does your comment @ 6:47 refer to "these ancient assholes"?
The validity of a comment on a piece of literature is dependent on the logic and reason employed by the commenter, not by whether the commenter has been able to "make his life work."
I guess you could answer my question: "Do you really think Somerby holds Agamemnon up as a role model?" or you can call me an asshole, if you want to dodge the question.
DeletePerhaps you could throw in another lecture about civility and namecalling while you're at it.
DeleteOr perhaps a disquisition about my nefarious purposes.
DeleteSomerby rereads and returns to The Iliad over and over, fetishizing it. He refers to Homer as "sacred Homer." He refers to the violence against women portrayed in The Iliad as "sexual politics" (a gross misuse of the term) legitimizing it as the way of the times. He then calls such behavior "bred in the bone" and "inborn" when no behavioral scientist considers it such.
DeleteYou are being excessively literal, but obviously some of the Greeks adhered to the demands by the gods that they abuse women, which DOES make them assholes. Even when Somerby cites the pleas of a girl's father, Somerby shows no empathy and he quotes the abuser at length, as an example of what? Inborn abuse of women in a work of fiction invented to amuse men around campfires. That meets my definition of porn. And yes, there is also a term called "violence porn" that refers to men's enjoyment of excessively violent media. A man who indulges such sexual experiences instead of being sickened by them, is an asshole. And I do consider such a work by Homer to be porn because it does not attract women, who do not admire anything about it. Clearly it attracts Somerby because it seems to validate his own beliefs and impulses, as evidenced by his extolling of it and his return to it repeatedly, to the point that it strikes even casual visitors here as weird.
Somerby, by his own admission, as not been married and does not live with a woman. He has also never mentioned any male roomate or life partner. That indicates a lack of first-hand experience in building intimate relationships.
Why should someone who thinks abuse of women in inborn not also consider being an asshole inborn?
Look how Dogface once again assigns the sins of one commenter to all others. Dogface comes here to spew bile, not to discuss any actual topics. He only attacks other commenters, never contributing anything to a discussion.
DeleteI have presented by evidence of Somerby's obsession with Troy and Homer, his justification of sexual abuse by calling this stuff literature, and its similarity to the writing of right wing extremists such as Curtis Yarvin. Dogface can deal with it or not, but I am done talking to him.
I guess that's one way to dodge the question: Attack my motives and then storm out in a pseudo-justified huff.
DeleteNot storming off. Just not talking to YOU any more. Fuck off.
DeleteAnd I think the question is important. Somerby is saying that the male impulse to dominate women goes back thousands of years. I read him as deploring this impulse; I think you mistakenly read him as glorifying it. I think your misreading is what animates your endless attacks on him.
Delete"[Somerby's] justification of sexual abuse by calling [the Iliad] literature"
DeleteReally? Anybody who calls the Iliad "literature" is thereby "justifying sexual abuse"? You cannot be serious, right?
Dogface, Somerby's impulse to empathize with men who abuse women instead of women themselves leads him to defend miscreants like Brock Turner and Roy Moore, and yes, Trump, who has raped and abused plenty of women despite his ability to escape consequences. I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Somerby deplores male impulses to abuse women. And yes, the Iliad glorifies mistreatment of women and Somerby glorifies The Iliad. Why else would he call Homer "sacred"? Somerby has never discussed the actual sexual politics in that work of fiction, just the acts themselves, which he has warned us we should watch out for because Democrats are going down, just like Troy did, and look what happened to the women of Troy when the siege ended! He has said this as a threat against we Blues (which he characterizes as a warning).
DeleteThis may not bother you, being male, but women are sensitive to threats of sexual violence (and other types) and we don't find it stimulating or exciting to read about battles where women are awarded as prizes, or where girls walk into the sea to avoid being raped by some man who has "won" her. The excerpts Somerby has posted here, repeatedly, are ugly and there is no excuse for them, not even by reference to libidos.
In today's excerpt, what kind of man thinks it is fine to have sex with a woman who is mourning the loss of her father and her freedom, sad and having to attraction to the man who has enslaved her? What kind of man would enjoy reading that text? One who cannot empathize with the woman at all, but who identifies with the power that allows a man to deny a father that way. It makes the man's victory sweeter that the father begs for the girl's release. That is how we know that this excerpt was written for men, not women, who most likely were not permitted to sit around that campfire and listen to Homer's recitation.
Why did Somerby post this today? Somerby has his own hostility and disguised urges when it comes to subjugating women. That is why he defends the wrong people, over and over.
BTW, on the "Is the Iliad porn?" debate: There is no explicit sexual activity in the Iliad at all.
Delete"Agamemnon swore that he wouldn't surrender the girl. The rise of the movement Lewis describes suggests that these attitudes are deeply bred in the bone.
Delete"Some of these fellows may simply be wired in such a way that these reactions can't be stopped from surging up into their undersized heads."
So, Somerby tells us that many of those who share these misogynistic attitudes have "undersized heads." In my reading, this does not glorify them.
2:24,
Deletethat Somerby admires the Iliad--even terms its author "sacred"--does not imply his endorsement of its characters' behavior.
Or do you believe an appreciation for Les Miserables implies an approval of Inspector Javert? Does the admirer of War and Peace thereby endorse Napoleon? It's a rather silly way to look at things, is it not?
You return to the theme of Somerby's "life not working", ignoring the irrefutable point that his arguments should be evaluated on their merits, not on the success or failure of his private life.
And you seem to think Homer is porn because women are not attracted to it. But this lack of attraction could also be because it is a story of war and courage and the acceptance of fate, all expressed in what can be called a manly concision.
These are the heroes of the book.
DeleteRape is an explicit sexual activity.
There are no rapes portrayed in the Iliad. There are no "throbbing members" or "sweaty, heaving bosoms" to be found. To say the Iliad is "porn" is just as silly as denying that it is "literature."
DeleteDG, you are being excessively literal about what can inspire the sexual imagination.
Delete70 some millions of imbeciles voted voted for a lifelong corrupt tax cheat, convicted of business fraud and fined hundreds of millions for business fraud. And are surprised today when a judge ruled that this fucking corrupt abomination is trying to commit fraud on the American taxpayers. What a fucking dumb country we are
ReplyDeleteDon't forget, you think Epstein was a pedophile and Trump raped children.
DeleteKing Orange Rapey told us Epstein likes them young, maggot
DeleteBut it's just an example of how dumb we are. You thinking that Epstein was a pedophile and Trump raped children. Epstein likes them young like Leonardo DiCaprio likes them young. That's it. And Epstein committed crimes with some of them. There's no indication or accusations of pedophilia anywhere at all around him. But this weird psychological phenomenon took place and swept up most people including yourself into believing something for which there's no evidence whatsoever. What a dumb fucking planet we are.
DeleteI'm just saying don't forget how really dumb you are.
DeleteI think Trump is a corrupt fraud and you’re an asshole. Just saying
DeleteOf course. That makes sense.
DeleteWaylon, sex with 13 year old girls is pedophilia because such girls are children. Waylon, Trump has been accused by several Epstein victims of raping them at that age. So has Epstein. Those accusations are "evidence" in the form of witness statements. There are corroborating facts to support their claims.
DeleteSplitting hairs over whether hebephilia is pedophilia changes nothing about the illegality of their rapes. Epstein's victims are as young as 9.
I'm not disputing that you believe those things. I'm agreeing with you that you believe those things. There's no need to explain or reprove your stupidity.
DeleteThose things are facts
DeleteWaylon, are you on those neighborhood Merv the Perv watch lists, or what?
DeleteI just understand how to read and how language works. Please show the proof that Epstein had 9-year-old victims or that Trump had sex with 13-year-olds. If you believe either of those are true, you are also an imbecile.
DeleteI’ll show you the proof as soon as we are able to extract it from King Donny McRapey Orange Chickenshit’s corrupt fat ass
DeleteExactly. I'm just saying you look at the Trump voters as all imbeciles, but to keep in mind that you are an imbecile.
DeleteFunny how MAGA was demanding the Epstein files be released as evidence of a vast pedophile ring (run by democrats, of course), until it turned out (no surprise) that Trump’s name was all over them. These are the same MAGATs that accused Hillary of running a pedophile ring out of a pizza parlor.
DeleteEvery maggot accusation is a confession, there are no exceptions
Delete"No one could have foreseen waylon would be perfectly fine with the raping of children."
DeleteCondoleezza Rice, probably.
There has never been an iota of proof there is a Republican voter who isn't a bigot.
DeleteNever.
You'd have to be a moron or the owner of a media company to believe there is a Republican voter who isn't a bigot.
DeleteTo their credit, some Republicans have continued to demand the release of the Epstein files and are still supporting the victims, especially Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene, who have been punished by Trump for not going along with his coverup.
DeleteWaylon, the proof is in the sworn statements of the Epstein victims, which are part of the records contained in the Epstein files.
DeleteAnd that list now includes Nancy Mace, who also voted to release them. He just endorsed her opponent.
DeleteKing Orange Chickenshit, take your fucking name off of my Kennedy Center Memorial.
ReplyDelete"According to the newest poll from the Texas Public Opinion Research, Democratic state lawmaker and Presbyterian minister James Talarico is leading Republican state Attorney General Ken Paxton 47 to 43 — " Rawstory
ReplyDeletePraise Jeebus.
DeleteUnder a video of Trump kissing Rudy Guiliani in drag, Digby provides the following musing on Trump as our first Gay President:
ReplyDelete"After observing the GOP’s grotesque attacks on James Talerico for allegedly being Transgender (and a vegan!) coming from that troll Stephen Miller of all people, I enjoyed this piece (gift link) by Ashley Parker in The Atlantic. Obviously, he a misogynist pig of the highest order and a serial assaulter of women. He’s not gay and would be a much better person if he was. His relationship with Epstein says it all about the “playboy” president. However:
But there’s also little doubt that Trump has unabashedly embraced the aesthetic—the je ne sais quoi—of a certain kind of gay man. Some who are sympathetic to the president have gone even further. Blaze Media, a conservative outlet started by the talk-radio host Glenn Beck, ran a story in 2024 headlined Donald Trump: Our First Gay President,” much in the way people talked about Bill Clinton as having been the first Black one. The story notes, in a section titled “Queen of Queens”: “He blows kisses to Hulk Hogan, weighs in on Fashion Week (‘used to be so glamorous and exciting! No stars, no fun—just boring’), and his rivalry with lesbian Rosie O’Donnell remains a gem of the catty naughties social feuds.” Pod Save America, a liberal podcast started by former aides to President Obama, declared that Trump would be a gay icon, if only he had “liberal social values.” The president, the episode’s title observes, “DEMANDS a Ballroom at the White House, Loves Musicals, & Wears Make-up.”
It goes on and it’s absolutely true. I mean, his theme song is a gay pick-up song from the 1970s. [YMCA]
I’ve said for years that it’s just plain weird that MAGA worships him as a macho strongman when he wears more makeup than RuPaul and uses more hairspray than Divine. He’s certainly not actually gay — but he is of-gay, aesthetically. Think Liberace. (If Liberace liked to grab women by the pussy.Which he didn’t because he was a nice queen whose greatest fans were women.)
Read the whole piece. It’s great. This is one of the oddest aspects of Trump’s appeal. I’ll never understand the right."
I like Jasmine Crockett and would vote for her if I lived in TX.
ReplyDeleteThe party of free speech just massacred 60 Minutes because Orange Baby Huey doesn't like their brand of journalism. Anyone know of any website that "muse" on the media?
ReplyDeleteMuch ado about nothing, Bob:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.cnn.com/2026/05/29/politics/trumps-doctor-recommends-lose-weight-exercise-health
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ReplyDeleteHere are some problem with Trump's doctor's report:
ReplyDelete1. There is no mention of his taking GLP-1's to lose weight.
2. While his fasting blood sugar is mentioned, there is no mention that he is taking metformin or a similar pre-diabetes drug, when his overweight and lack of exercise and his poor eating habits suggest he would have glucose intolerance.
3. The doctor lies about the bruising on his hands, saying that it is due to hand-shaking when it occurs in his left hand, the hand not ever used to shake hands. A lie like that calls the truth of the entire report into question.
4. The doctor refers to "mild" swelling in his lower extremities when photos have clearly shown more swelling (cankles). His CVI is listed as "improved" but that seems unlikely given the recent photos of swollen ankles and the absence of any mention of treatment.
5. It seems unlikely that Trump got 30/30 on MOCA. Even high-IQ people in their 30's miss a few points. Trump's distractability suggests he would miss quite a few points, so I do not believe this result. It seems like another lie (like the one about his hand bruises).
6. Again, there is no mention of Trump's sleep disorder and his daytime sleeping. Sleep disorders can cause impaired cognition, emotion dysregulation (like Trump's temper tantrums), weight gain, heart problems. The daytime sleeping is a dementia symptom. No assessment for dementia is mentioned in the report.
7. Trump's doctor has lied about his height and weight.
8. There is no mention of treatment for eczema and no explanation of the visible neck rashes Trump displayed in photos.
9. The physician describes Trump's gait and balance as normal when there are many videos showing Trump weaving, unsteady on his feet, unable to walk in a straight line, swaying, and there was the incident where he fell on his face as the secret service tried to move him during the correspondent's dinner. These mobility problems are symptoms of degenerative disorders such as Parkinson's, Lewy Body dementia, fatigue and diminished strength. His switch to sitting during press events is consistent with these problem, yet the doctor says he is normal. This seems to be another lie.
So, the coverup continues...
...a memo from his physician recommending he lose weight and exercise more while noting he is in excellent health.
Delete“President Trump remains in excellent health, demonstrating strong cardiac, pulmonary, neurological, and overall physical function,” White House physician Dr. Sean Barbabella wrote in a letter. “Cognitive and physical performance are excellent. He is fully fit to carry out all duties of the Commander-in-Chief and Head of State.”
That medical report kills the "Trump is demented" narrative. No doubt his enemies will soon replace it with a new narrative that they can recite in unison. Or, maybe they'll just go back to an old canard, like Trump being controlled by Putin or by Netanyahu.
"That medical report kills the "Trump is demented" narrative."
DeleteYour gullibility is endless. It is without bound in either space or time.
Well, DiC, I guess Bob will have to stop posting about Trump’s mental state/disorder. After this doctor’s report, he should totally have egg on his face.
DeleteWhy does Trump keep falling asleep during public meetings in the middle of the day?
DeleteA medical doctor is not equipped to evaluate whether Trump is fit to carry out all duties, given that he has shown himself to be grossly unfit in office. Doctors evaluate health, not ability to be president, something Trump has never had because of his inexperience, lack of education and knowledge about the world, lack of morals, prior criminal record, and inability to interact with other world leaders effectively. This doctor has overstepped his authority in drawing that conclusion, which rightly belongs with the voters and Congress.
DeleteBeing in good physical health says absolutely nothing about whether Trump is being controlled by Putin or Netanyahu.
David is in what is called “denial.”
DeleteSo is Trump.
DeleteOnly an idiot MAGAt would believe the assessment of Trump’s hand picked doctor.
DeleteTelling Trump to lose weight and exercise more is exactly what Trump wants to hear. Trump already spends most weekends at the golf course, where he gets very little exercise riding his cart onto the greens, but telling Trump to golf more excuses his avoidance of the job he was elected to do. Similarly, Trump is behind the RFK/Hegseth campaign to eliminate fatties. That doesn't mean he himself will lose any weight, but he approves of that advice and won't be offended by it. Trump has been fat for a long time now. Achieving a lower bmi by increasing one's fake height changes nothing about the fatness of his body. I personally do not agree with the campaign to require thinness of everyone and disagree about negative health consequences of overweight, but this is what Trump will want to hear because it justifies his policy inflicted on others.
ReplyDelete"Unshrinking: How to Face Fatphobia
by Kate Manne, 2024.
Trump is certainly fit to practice world historical corruption, bringing the GOP, Congress, and media companies to heel, and building monuments to his ego. ie, he is quite the sociopath. Unfortunately, he is unfit at running a government.
ReplyDeleteA faggot who is five of the six genders he thinks exist (every one except male) is the leader of the Democrat party.
ReplyDeleteIs it OK to call this guy an asshole?
DeleteBob would say to pity him.
DeleteOdd, given his admiration for the warriors on the beach, Hector, Achilles, Paris. Pitying assholes is like turning the other cheek and letting them continue to hurt others. I don't believe in that. We have delegated asshole-control to police in our culture, but it doesn't mean we let them run roughshod over good decent people, the way Somerby seems to suggest we should do with Trump.
DeleteThis is our president. Think about that!
ReplyDelete"“I understand Artists are getting ‘the yips’ having to do with their performance on Wednesday, so I am thinking about bringing the Number One Attraction anywhere in the World,” Trump wrote on his social media platform Truth Social.
“The man who gets much larger audiences than Elvis in his prime, and he does so without a guitar, the man who loves our Country more than anyone else, and the man who some say is the Greatest President in History (THE GOAT!), DONALD J. TRUMP, to take the place of these highly paid, Third Rate ‘Artists,’ and give a major speech, rallying the Country forward like I have done ever since being President!”