WEDNESDAY, JUNE 24, 2026
...dates all the way back to Joan Rivers: On Sunday evening, June 14, a UFC fighter made a strange, inane remark right there on the White House lawn.
As we noted yesterday, the news report in the Washington Post started off like this:
After White House bout, UFC fighter disparages Michelle Obama as ‘a man’
UFC fighter Josh Hokit used his post-bout interview Sunday night at the White House to disparage former first lady Michelle Obama.
In a post-fight interview, the heavyweight fighter praised President Donald Trump for hosting the event, which was intended to celebrate America’s 250th birthday.
He then insulted the mother of one of his rivals, thanked Jesus and ended by shouting: “And lastly—Michelle Obama is a man! Am I right, America?”
Some in the audience laughed at Hokit’s remark, which is rooted in a baseless far-right conspiracy theory. Right-wing podcaster Joe Rogan, who was conducting the post-fight interview, did not follow up with Hokit on the comment.
Searching for the appropriate term, Amy Wang initially said that the nitwit Hokit had "disparaged" the former first lady. Much later in her report, she explicitly described Hokit's screeching statement as an "insult."
In some ways, Hokit screaming statement can almost seem like a strange sort of insult. We say that for this reason:
Presumably, there's nothing "wrong" with being a man. Similarly, it's routinely believed, within the broad expanse of modern American culture, that there's also nothing "wrong" with being a woman.
On the other hand, gender identity has always tended to play an important role in the vast sweep of the planet's human societies. It almost automatically seems like an insult for a woman to be called a man, or for a man to be called a woman.
Then too, there's the burgeoning throwback movement known as "masculinism"—the throwback movement currently sweeping substantial portions of the Red American male world. Within this realm, the claim that the former first lady was really a man would be recognized, by one and all, as an attempt at an ugly disparagement—as an ugly (if dimwitted) insult.
So it probably seemed to those who laughed that night. Hokit had insulted the former first lady, or at least he had "owned the libs."
In her report, Wang somewhat oddly said that Hokit's idiotic behavior was "rooted in a baseless far-right conspiracy theory." It's unfortunate that Wang had to dignify Hokit's inanity that way, but she was trying to describe disordered behavior, her somewhat peculiar statement can almost be said to be right.
The inane remark by the UFC performer does, in fact, enjoy a type of privileged status within the contemporary far-right "manosphere." On the far-right "cable news" TV show Gutfeld!, the notion that Michelle Obama is really a ma is frequently floated by the program's 61-year-old misogyny-adjacent host.
On that show, the notion that Mrs. Obama is a man is typically accompanied by a second disparaging claim, this time about the former president. Is this "the baseless conspiracy theory" to which Wang somewhat awkwardly referred?
Wang never explained what she meant by that statement, but the pair of disparagements / insults date back at least to the increasingly sour work of Joan Rivers in the year 2014.
If memory serves, it seemed to us that Rivers, who had always been an insult/shock comedian, grew a bit less pleasant with age. In a news report filed on July 4, 2014, CNN reported her latest attempt at mirth.
For whatever it may be worth, Rivers had just turned 81. Way back on July 4, 2014, pithy headline included, CNN's instructive report started off like this:
Joan Rivers jokes Obama is gay, first lady is transgender
Who needs Fourth of July fireworks when you have Joan Rivers around?
The comedian known for her lack of self-censoring recently officiated a same-sex wedding and was asked by a photographer if she believed the United States would ever see the first gay or female president. Her response was typical Rivers.
“We already have it with Obama, so let’s just calm down,” she said. “You know Michelle (Obama) is a trans.”
When asked to further explain Rivers said, “A transgender. We all know it.”
Those are the things Rivers said.
Barack Obama is gay, we the people were stupidly told. In this formulation, Michelle Obama wasn't exactly a man. Instead, she was "trans"—"a transgender," River said.
"We all know it," she added.
Pathetic? Pitiful? Hapless? Sad? What exactly is the word for such dimwitted conduct? Whatever the answer might be, we can tell you this:
To this day, this twinned pair of disparagements is routinely floated by the mutt who hosts the Gutfeld! program. He's sent out to do so by the Fox News Channel's Suzanne Scott. Perhaps for the obvious reason, the major organs of Blue America refuse to report or discuss such facts.
Blue stars speak up when Hokit does it. Fox News is given a pass.
At any rate, is this the "conspiracy theory" to which Wang referred in last week's report in the Post? We don't know, but as she spoke with CNN back in 2014, Rivers concocted this braindead explanation for her twin disparagement:
[continuing directly from above]
A representative for Rivers released the following statement to CNN from the comic about her remarks to the photographer:
“I think it’s a compliment. She’s so attractive, tall, with a beautiful body, great face, does great makeup. Take a look and go back to La Cage Au Follies (sic). The most gorgeous women are transgender. Stop it already … and if you want to talk about ‘politically correct,’ I think this is a ‘politically incorrect’ attack on me because I’m old, Jewish, a woman and a ‘hetty’—a heterosexual … and I plan to sue the reporter who, when he turned off his camera, tried to touch me inappropriately on the a**—luckily he hit my ankle. Read the book … if you think that’s silly, wait to (sic) you see what I say about FDR and Eleanor!”
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Of course, this latest dust-up coincides with Rivers’ book, “Diary of a Mad Diva,” which was released on July 1. Rivers’ representative told CNN, “These are all funny jokes. The book is hysterical. The prologue says if anyone takes anything in the book seriously (he or she) is an idiot. And (Rivers) says if anyone has a problem with that, they can feel free to call her lawyer Clarence Darrow.”
Truly, that statement by Rivers was completely pathetic.
That statement was pathetic. But is that where this "conspiracy theory" got its start? We have no idea.
That said, many people in the world are insecure and angry, and this "theory" has never died. Sadly, PolitiFact has posted at least three reports in recent years debunking claims within our poisonous social media—debunking posts in which people claimed that Mrs. Obama is transgender and/or a man.
(These claims were scored as Pants On Fire. As a starting point for your walk on the wild and profoundly stupid side, you can just click here.)
Joan Rivers, who had a book to sell, peddled her dimwitted claims in The Summer of 14. She was frequently reported to be a registered Republican. Did she mean for her claims to be directed at the Obamas as political targets?
We can't answer that question—but she told CNN that "we all know it." On that basis, we'll guess that, in the American underground, the kinds of angry people who can't quite adjust were already pimping this garbage around.
If so, why were they doing it?
Within the halls of Blue America, an explanation quickly formed concerning what Hokit did. On last Tuesday's Deadline: White House, Maya Wiley assigned the motive.
As we noted yesterday, she started by saying this:
Well, let me start by saying this. This is racist.
Later, she added this:
It is bigotry...and it must be called out for that.
Earlier, Nicolle Wallace had played tape of Senator Warnock, speaking on The Last Word the night before. This is what Senator Warnock had said:
This is bigotry. This is evil come alive in the world.
On Deadline, Wiley mentioned Joan Rivers. She also mentioned the fact that, inevitably, the public madman Alex Jones had been involved in the promulgation of this pathetic claim about the former first lady.
Wiley joined Senator Warnock in advancing a fairly obvious possible claim about the idiot Hokit's motive. It's a claim we Blues are strongly inclined to make, in a wide array of situations.
It's a claim which is often correct. It's a claim which has been accurate down through the annals of our nation's brutal racial history.
But is the claim accurate in this case? In this case, because we monitor the Gutfeld! program, we weren't even slightly sure.
"Presumably, there's nothing "wrong" with being a man."
ReplyDeleteWritten by a guy working overtime to ignore the Epstein Files.
So am I. I've never commented on the Epstein files so I must be working overtime to avoid them.
DeleteYou have a media blog, 11:27?
DeleteYou mean you actually understand that TDH is a media blog? Then you must also understand it is not current events Somerby comments on, but the media's coverage of them.
DeleteAnd yet, he never comments on the Epstein coverage.
DeleteIf only Somerby did discuss the press, but he doesn’t do that either.
DeleteFox just bought Roku. Crickets from Somerby. He does not discuss the media or the press or anything else that is important. He is as obsessed with Gutfeld and Trump is with Obama, and for the same reasons.
DeleteFiddling while New York is consumed by filthy communists who hate and intend to eliminate Jews.
ReplyDeleteI guess those communists will have to be eliminated. Whoever they are.
DeleteSqueal louder, snowflake at 11:18.
DeleteLet's give those with compromised hearing the opportunity to laugh at you, too.
They have themselves to blame.
DeleteThe conspiracy theory about Obama being gay go back to a limo driver who claimed that he witnessed Obama in a gay affair. This was at the beginning of Obama's campaign. It had nothing to do with Joan Rivers. If anything, her joke was derived from the negative smear on Obama. The remarks about Michelle Obama arose from her being observed to have strong arms in gardening photos after she became First Lady and was establishing a kitchen garden at the White House. She was shown working alongside elementary school children. Coupled with the rumors about Obama having a gay affair, that would make Michelle Obama an actual "beard," the term Somerby has been using so frequently in his recent essays about Gutfeld.
ReplyDeleteYes, these are "conspiracy theories" but they are also attempts to portray the Obamas negatively. Given that these have continued after the election ended and Obama was in office, that makes this hate speech. What motivates the continuation of attacks on a sitting politician who will not be running again for any office? Hate.
The singling out of Obama for special mistreatment arises from Trump's obsession with Obama and that arises from Trump's racism. That racism permeates the MAGA base, is part of Trump's allegiance with neo-Nazi White Supremacists. It is why Trump immediately dismantled DEI, why he allows only white South Africans into the US, while persecuting immigrants with brown and black skin. It goes back to his discrimination against blacks in housing and why Trump keeps referring to black people as low-IQ individuals. It is so obvious that it should not require any explanation for Somerby, except that he too is bigot trying to deny the bigotry on the right with articles like today's.
Anonymouse 12:00pm, Surprise… The Obamas aren’t tranny trolls.
DeleteFuck off
DeleteAnonymouse 12:10pm, you first.
DeleteFuck off
DeleteThe guy posting as Cecelia is correct.
DeleteThe Obama's are black, and representatives of the best of the USA.
Not tranny trolls, like Elon Musk and Stephen Miller.
Anonymouse 1:24pm, and like anonymouse 2:31pm’s “family member”.
DeleteCecelia, it is better when you are not here, so fuck off.
DeleteContinuing to attack Michelle Obama is obviously racist because Obama is being singled out because she is black, as is her husband. There is no reason for it otherwise, no reason why anyone should laugh at such a remark, no reason why it would be made in the first place. It is symbolic of the race-based hatred encouraged by Trump, his own attacks on black people, his ongoing attempt to make America great again by making America white again. This should be as obvious to Somerby as it is to everyone else.
ReplyDeleteSomerby's references to Joan Rivers are deflections, lies to obscure the purpose of the jab at Obama, which is fully obvious to the right and left. Somerby is being fatuous, dishonest, despicable in his attempted defense of this obvious racism and his attack on Wiley, who is saying what everyone else knows about that remark. It was a sweaty white man posturing after defeating an opponent, by calling out a famous black person in his victory interview. His attack on MRS Obama is a slur on Obama himself, since he is unable to defend her honor from the scum offending her. That is the masculinist meaning of what happened and it is ugly. Somerby's defense of this stuff is just as ugly given his pretense at misunderstanding what occurred, as if he will fool Blue America by calling it all innocent, a Joan Rivers joke gone astray. That explanation is offensive in itself.
Michelle Obama is man coded. For those who accept trans exists, He is a man. Someone doesn't magically become a man or a woman just by saying the words of their preference. It has more to do with whether or not someone expresses the traits of a man which he does. Self identification is not essential for being trans. It is objective.
ReplyDeleteWho decided what "traits" are man-coded?
DeleteWas the black stereotype of the strong black woman invented by white men to stigmatize the women who rose to the challenges in their lives?
What is a woman?
Delete12:24, don’t worry about it, you’ll never have one
DeleteNo one gets to decide whether someone else is trans or not.
DeleteThe same applies to everyone. No one gets to decide whether someone is female or not, or male, or bi, or gay, or any of the initials. This is part of our Constitution if we can keep it there.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:15pm: “Someone doesn't magically become a man or a woman just by saying the words of their preference.”
ReplyDeleteSince now…
Fuck off
DeleteIf anyone knows about “woke” leftists sliming a woman’s gender, it’s you, CC.
DeleteDG, not really. It’s a big internet, and it’s only occurred here.
DeleteYou’ve been an incredibly good sport about it — why is it, do you think, that there is this little rabid group that congregates here?
DeleteYeah, Cecilia is just peachy keen
DeleteCecelia is a hateful anti-trans commenter, and has probably called Michelle Obama a man at some point.
DeleteOh, I guess my support of trans people, one in my own family, makes me “woke”. Is that it, DG?
DeleteAnonymouse 2:31pm, not necessarily . You’d be silly and trendoid despite your relatives.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:30pm, nope, I wouldn’t call Mrs. Obama a man. Not even if she demanded it.
DeleteYou’re so fucking witty, bitch
DeleteThere have always been transpeople, across time and culture and geography. We know this because there are words in their languages to describe them. Calling transpeople "trendy" is ignorant, but what else can Cecelia be?
DeleteWhy do you suppose Trump got rid of the East Wing of the White House? It is where the First Lady has her staff and office, where social events take place that the First Lady may be involved in. Melania was forbidden to do any of that stuff and she has since spent more time in NYC or FL than in DC. She is only nominally First Lady, just as she is in no sense Trump's wife.
There was a story yesterday where Melania demanded that Musk not be allowed to sleep in the White House and Trump ignored her and installed Musk in the Lincoln bedroom.
We actual women knew what Trump would be like to women, if he were elected the first time, much less another term. He had 27+ complaints of sexual abuse against him before his first campaign.
So let's not pretend that Trump or any of his masculinist cronies care about women one bit. They are malignant narcissists who only care about whether they look manly in the mirror and to their guy peers, who they are jockeying to be more alpha than. Kash Patel doesn't care about his girlfriend the Country Singer. He cares that he has a girlfriend who he can show off to the others in Trump's entourage, so he won't be kicked out for being a pussy.
These are not good decent men. They aren't good decent people. They are refuse and we have been giving them too much air. The sooner they are gone, the better. Including Cecelia.
Remember when Melania and Trump first took office and there was a "Free Melania" campaign because she seemed to be held captive in the White House? It got worse for her from there.
DeleteWhy do white men in the South insult women by deliberately misgendering them? I have been called "sir" by guys trying to shit on my lack of adherence to tradwife norms, for example.
ReplyDeleteSomerby fails to understand that masculinism doesn't only set norms for male behavior but also for female gender-congruent behavior. They are responsible for the Mar-a-Lago look, not women. They want the cleavage and tight dresses, the blond hair, the puffy lips (reminding them of engorged private parts), the makeup. That is because those super-masculine men want to be very clear about who the women are, need that contrast to feel masculine themselves in their rejection of everything feminine as substandard.
Masculinists enforce those gender standards for women by attacking the women who do not adhere to them. Michelle Obama broke the rules, not only by being a smart and competent black woman, but by being assertive, vocal, visible and not being a shadow to her husband's limelight.
When Trump first took office, his wife Melania made it very obvious that she was not going to do anything that would steal Trump's thunder. She stayed out of the public eye, made few speeches (the one she was required to make was plagiarized, despite her having speechwriters available to her). She did nothing worth publicity but was the epitome of the wife who stayed home and quiet and invisible, even when her son was present. That is why men on the right attack Michelle Obama by calling her a man. She not only committed a racial sin of breaking black stereotypes, but she violated men's territory by being effective, smart, and visible. Some even suggested she could run for president herself. That is an ultimate sin, akin to the one Hillary committed. That is why the right has made these particyular women into super-villains. And yes, it is both racist and sexist because both women and black people are supposed to know their place and conform to white supremacists opinions of them.
Why does Somerby pretend to be so stupid about this?
DeleteYou never see that fake tits puffy lips shit in Hollywood.
DeleteMale supremacists call Michelle a man because they want to insult her by calling her the thing that is superior. Make it make sense.
DeleteAnonymices 12:20pm, why do anonymices do screeds contrived to denounce Bob and others as sexists and then pull out every stereotypical gender trope in the book in order to defend their paragons?
DeleteWait until 12:34 finds out there has been no such thing as a Republican voter who isn't a bigot, for more than a generation.
DeleteMen are not superior.
DeleteLet’s see, 12:34: criticizing someone as sexist and defending someone else from sexist attacks…those two things are not mutually exclusive. Duh.
DeleteMen are superior in all the ways important to feminists who hate their own natural sex. Women are superior in some things, with young children and nurturing jobs and thats great.
DeleteFucking weirdo.
DeleteTrannytroll is alive dammit.
DeleteMen are afraid a women will laugh at them.
DeleteWomen are afraid men will kill them.
Anonymouse 3:57pm, you need a better neighborhood.
DeleteI'm too hooked-on the rural electricity the federal government subsidizes.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:06pm, and dangerous males.
Delete4:06,
DeleteWhat?
The federal government is subsidizing rural electricity, now?
Between spending billions to start wars they can lose on Day One, and this giveaway to the undeserving, it's no wonder the country is running a deficit.
Anonymouse 4:24pm, in other words- the electric cooperatives and other providers.
DeleteIn the Right's word, "Socialism".
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Be careful calling it anything else, lest you get picked-up by ICE for exercising your First Amendment right of free speech, and shipped to a Salvadoran gulag.
We'd hate to lose your wit, 4:34.
Those of you who are not Cecelia, think about whether HIllary or Kamala or even Michelle would have been a better president than Trump.
DeleteAin't That the Truth
ReplyDelete"If everyone in the United States weren't living downstream from its consequences, it would be a pretty good tragic flaw that Donald Trump wants more than anything to be seen as a brilliant man who has always been right about everything when he is transparently a butterfingered dunce whose professional expertise more or less begins and ends at making cutting remarks from a safe distance and directing other people to file nuisance lawsuits on his behalf."
-from an essay in The Defector
There’s a reason I call him Chickenshit
DeleteIt's incredible the amount of time you people can waste discussing such a non-event.
ReplyDeleteMy brother has developed the perfect response to such commentary by quoting the lines by the Wayne Knight character in Jurassic Park by saying:
RACIST STATEMENT!!! WE GOT A RACIST STATEMENT OVER HERE!!! . . . Nobody cares.
Exactly. Everyone should spend a lot more time discussing Gutfeld’s misogyny.
Delete@2:49
DeleteThe great thing about it is that it works for almost everything.
GUTFELD'S MISOGYNY!!! EVERYONE GUTFELD IS A MISOGYST!! . . . Nobody cares.
I care. Already tired of the it's OK for the racist masculinity asshole comeback. Fuck those weirdos.
DeleteI'd rather listen to somebody telling me what they believe Gutfeld thinks, than what they believe God thinks.
DeleteAt least Gutfeld is real.
I'll bet Gutfeld's mother cares whether he is a misogynist or not. Gutfeld is 18 years older than his trophy wife (who worked as a model, big surprise there). He has a lot of money, so he bought himself a rent-a-wife, just like Trump did. She may care whether he is a misogynist when she gets older.
DeleteMichelle Obama is not attractive to any man because of her masculine appearance and aggressive attitude. She's more man than woman.
ReplyDeleteMichele Obama and men are much more alike than different.
DeleteAs are Donald Trump and Al Sharpton.
When girl and boy babies are born, doctors have to inspect their genitals to tell the parents their sex. All the rest that comes later is cultural. That means it was invented by people and is arbitrarily assigned by gender rules created by societies, religions, resources in a given area, and practicalities of survival. None of that is innate and it has nothing to do with testosterone or estrogen (both of which are found in both sexes).
DeleteHave you ever seen a dog humping a man's leg? Is the dog doing that because it finds the leg attractive? Did the leg sweet-talk the dog? Men find each other attractive when women are not around (such as in prisons or army barracks).
The reason the right is so confused about sex and gender is because they don't read books and they don't go to college, but they believe every screwy thing their friends tell them about the world. Education matters. Enough of it will prevent a lot of tragedies, including social confusion over sex. Nature just published an article showing that right wingers have managed to shorten their lifespans and decrease their health outcomes because they don't talk to their doctors but believe nonsense instead. And that doesn't just apply to covid outcomes, but going back to when the right lost its mind and started believing charlatans, con artists, and superstition.
Somerby has made a little career here undermining the notion of expertise. The result is that those who believe him that knowledge is bunk and nothing can be known for sure (but everything is possible) are finding out the hard way that there are such things as facts and truth. As they say about the right, FAFO.
Islam and antisemitism dominating in major cities and the Democrat party with unstoppable momentum. Boiled frog undefeated.
ReplyDeleteWill Islam join the fine people on the Right, and chant "Jews will not replace us", while marching with tiki torches?
DeleteStay tuned.
Anonymouse 4:15pm, don’t know yet. They’re still in negotiations with Soros.
Delete"Death to America Death to Israel" is the preferred hate slogan of the terrorist left.
DeleteThe only reason the Right loves America is ObamaCare.
DeleteRemember the good old days when Cecelia was on sabbatical? She adds nothing to discussion here. One half day back and the comments are a cess pool again.
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