TUESDAY, JULY 21, 2026
On balance, it didn't go well: What the heck is a "politics of meaning?" If we agree that our struggling nation needs a politics of that type, what kind of politics would we be talking about?
As anyone with eyes can see, our flailing nation badly needs a new type of politics. But what's a "politics of meaning?"
Let's return to the first lady's speech, the one she gave in 1993.
The first lady was Hillary Clinton. She was in her first year at that post. Perhaps unwisely, she delivered this address at the University of Texas n April 6 of that year.
The governor of Texas was in the room, and that governor, the late Ann Richards, was actually a Democrat—and she was a woman to boot! Those were different times, but you could possibly squint and see the present day on the horizon.
The first lady gave a speech in which she said that she could discern a "crisis in meaning" in our American lives. It probably wasn't wise to say that—especially for Hillary Clinton, who had already become a favorite punching bag of certain elements on the right and within the American press.
She was moving out beyond the role our (unelected) first ladies had traditionally taken, and that may not have been wise. That said, how acute was this crisis—the shortfall of meaning in our lives?
The crisis was fairly acute! Fairly early in her speech, the first lady even quoted the late Lee Atwater, a lifelong, extremely aggressive Republican strategist who had died in 1991 at just 40 years of age.
On his deathbed, he had famously referred, in a bit of a conversion, to "this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society—this tumor of the soul.”
That statement "to me will be Lee Atwater’s real lasting legacy," the first lady said, occasioning applause. By the end of the speech, she was quoting Albert Schweizer seeming to say that, while sleeping sickness is a real disease, there is also "a sleeping sickness of the soul."
Along the way, she had described her own vision in the manner seen here:
CLINTON (4/6/93): And what we each must do is break through the old thinking that has for too long captured us politically and institutionally, so that we can begin to devise new ways of thinking about not only what it means to have economies that don’t discard people like they were excess baggage that we no longer need, but to define our institutional and personal responsibilities in ways that answer this lack of meaning.
We need a new politics of meaning. We need a new ethos of individual responsibility and caring. We need a new definition of civil society which answers the unanswerable questions posed by both the market forces and the governmental ones, as to how we can have a society that fills us up again and makes us feel that we are part of something bigger than ourselves.
The first lady was surely well intentioned. On the other hand, as a general matter, it probably isn't politically wise to talk like that—to tell several hundred million people about the malaise in which they're trapped, whether that word is employed or not.
On balance, fairly or otherwise, that attempt to define a "politics of meaning" didn't go especially well, but by last week, we suddenly found ourselves longing for a second bite of the apple, for a new and improved such politics.
In truth, our flailing nation badly needs a critter like that—a critter you might call a politics of meaning. We badly need a critter like that, but what would some such critter look like? What would a less destructive political culture possibly entail?
"Here comes the sun," George Harrison wrote. "It seems like years since it's been here."
Tomorrow: The late Michael Lerner
As usual, Hillary was right, the naysayers were wrong.
ReplyDeleteSomerby calls the First Lady unelected but the First Lady is elected along with her husband and has official duties, an office and staff, letterhead, a legacy to the nation. Trivializing that shows Somerby’s sexism. How else would women have political access in a system where no women has ever been elected although women have run since even before they got the vote.
ReplyDeleteSo speaking the obvious truth (to anyone but you, apparently) that a First Lady is not elected betrays Somerby's "sexism."
DeleteBut everything he writes, no matter what it is, betrays his sexism, right?
Yes, because saying someone was not elected implies they have no right to participate when Bill Clinton explicitly campaigned as a team with Hillary. Calling her unelected is a slap in the face under the circumstances.
DeleteUntil Somerby changes his attitudes about women, they will leak and pollute whatever he writes.
I think the attitude problem is yours. You're obsessed with someone you hate.
Delete2:00 is spot on. Somerby's sexism at this point is notorious. And this sexism is one of the draws here for the couple of fanboys.
DeleteDon't you just love that rush of moral superiority you feel by calling people "sexist"?
DeleteAnd, hey, I don't want to interrupt that orgasm of superiority you're feeling, but could you possibly consider, for a moment even, whether the promiscuous deployment of s-bombs might be somewhat counterproductive to the prospects of liberals actually winning elections?
DeleteGeorge, you make no credible claims, that is why no one takes you seriously.
DeleteYou are just a fill in for days DiC does not feel up to it.
I hate the sense of futility I feel when someone as competent as Hillary is denigrated for being non-elected, despite her efforts at reforming health care, her two terms in the Senate and her stint as Secretary of State under Obama, which meant negotiating with Iran on that famous treaty. Men who refuse to call a woman like her competent are scum, in my opinion. Sexist is perhaps the kinder word.
DeleteThe use of "s-bombs" by Democrats is why women prefer them to Republicans by more than 10 points. Trump is desperately courting bros because women won't come near the Republicans after the removal of Roe v Wade, attacks on DEI, firing of women who have earned high positions in the military, coercion of corporations to do away with DEI too and fire women, their attempts to shove women back into trad-wife roles, refusal to prosecute the Epstein guilty, tolerance of sexual assault by candidates endorsed by Trump, shooting of Good for her activism in Minnesota, promotion of the Mar a Lago look and the mistreatment of Melania (who will likely turn out to have been trafficked to Trump by Epstein).
Women see what Trump is and they see what Hegseth and Patel and the rest of Trump's bros are, and women are too smart to want anything to do with any of them. That is part of why there is going to be not just a blue wave but a blue tsunami in the midterms.
Somerby dislike of women is just another talking point that makes it clear he is advancing the right wing and not actually much of a liberal or Democrat, despite his unconvincing pretense.
Democrats are not sexist and support women's issues and women's rights. Somerby is the opposite. Look how he treats Tarlov, his latest Maddow-surrogate. A man who cared about women would be sickened by the "sexual politics" in the Iliad. Somerby gloats over it. A man who cared about girls would not lech over Antonia or Anne Frank and definitely would argue in favor of child marriage, as Somerby did day-after-day in the context of defending Roy Moore.
DeleteIf a man dislikes being called sexist, he should examine his attitudes and treat women better, not say regressive things on a blog while pretending to be lefty. Somerby's dislike of Hillary and Kamala, both strong women, is very telling. His attacks on Elizabeth Warren were too. Defending Somerby against sexism makes you a joke, DG.
Somerby did not treat Tarlov badly; he described her role in the Fox ecosystem as the liberal foil for the others to gang up on and beat up. He did not gloat over how the Greeks treated their sexual slaves. He did not lech over Antonia or Anne Frank. He did not argue in favor of child marriage. You are wrong on every point because your hatred clouds your judgment.
DeleteSomerby did, however, reduce Elizabeth Warren to her “American Indian” response. He even wrote it in capital letters to make sure the attack got through.
DeleteDG, I very carefully explained why the term "punching bag" is offensive. So, yes, Somerby's repeated use of that term is treating her badly, especially when she is the victim of right wingers bad behavior but SHE is the one Somerby is blaming -- the victim. Fox could have hired a male guest to play the role of target or foil but they didn't. That is a deliberate act and it has meaning in a society where violence against women is a major problem and getting worse.
DeleteYou are lying about Somerby's defense of may-december romance and marriage. He talked for several days about Bogey and Lauren Bacall (she was just 17, Somerby said) and the movies touting child marriage. Do a search on Bacall's name and Moore and you will find that series.
If you do not recognize Somerby's leching over Antonia it is probably because you haven't read the book "My Antonia." There are several very sensual scenes described in that book that are now the favorites of men who like girls on the young side (to quote Epstein/Trump). Larry Summer's wife recommended My Antonia to Epstein in one of the emails in the Epstein Files, as something he would enjoy reading. Otherwise, the book has nothing that would interests a man of Epstein's age and social position. It is a coming of age novel on high school reading lists.
You continued defense of Somerby over this stuff is getting embarrassing because you never deal with the evidence others put forth. Is, Is Not, Is Too, is not really a defense of Somerby.
"You continued defense of Somerby over this stuff is getting embarrassing because you never deal with the evidence others put forth."
DeleteBullshit. You don't put forth evidence; you put forth your bizarre paraphrases of what he says. And I do look it up, and I find that you're always wrong.
3:34, I think what you wrote is dumb. You think that because Somerby seems to disagree with Hillary that it makes him sexist.
DeleteGive me a break. Disagreeing with a woman is not the same as denigrating her. I myself am not a fan of hers, but it’s not because she’s a woman. It’s because she’s a politician with whom I have serious disagreements, and I don’t like her (corporate democrat) stances on political issues. And Somerby only writes that she “may” have been unwise to say what she said in that one speech, and damn, he’s now (and always has been) a misogynist - which is what you really meant.
Are we all supposed to support Hillary’s views simply because she’s a woman? Fuck off with that noise.
So, what could be a “new politics of meaning?”
“What would a less destructive political culture possibly entail?” Bob asks. Me, I’m going to continue to lean left, and hope that the burgeoning support for democratic socialism and their variants continues to make headway. Ever heard of Kshama Sawant? What an awesome woman, she has some ideas. There’s a bunch of cool lefty women, and Hillary ain’t one of ‘em.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/kshama-sawant-on-confronting-bad-politicians-in-both-parties
Leroy
But let's take an example. You said Somerby argued "in favor of child marriage." I said he didn't. You accuse me of "lying" by trying to pretend you were claiming that Somerby defended "may-december romance and marriage." Obviously, to any sentient person, "child marriage" and "may-december marriage" are two different things entirely, and your attempt to conflate the two is just you trying to wiggle off the hook.
DeleteI could go on, but what's the point? You'll just hit me with another word avalanche.
Delete4:16 is spot on, with evidence to support.
DeleteWhy is this 4:27 guy so butt hurt?
I don’t think Bacall ever complained about Bogey’s pursuit of her.
DeleteI mean, if a 20-year-old woman wants to marry a 45-year-old man, do you want to prevent her from doing so? Who's the sexist then, denying agency to a grown woman?
DeleteDang George, we posted at the same time, 4:33. Hard not to get caught up in the nonsense on this comment board at times, I guess.
DeleteLeroy
Age of consent laws are not about 20 year olds. They are about children. Children grow up over a span of years and each year makes a big difference in their development. Parents know that because they see their children grow. Asshole men who admire teens don't understand the harm done to their development when they are recruited for sex with an adult. If you doubt this, DG, go read the book written by Virginia Guiffre "Nobody's Girl." Her Epstein experiences damaged her to the point that she battled for sanity but ultimately committed suicide. Men don't seem to understand how rape hurts girls, even the kind of rape where an adult man seduces a child using money and experiences and compliments until he takes what he wants, or the kind where a man uses alcohol and drugs to diminish a girl's ability to say "no" and then leaves her to deal with the aftermath.
DeleteRoy Moore was stalking 13 & 14 year olds not 20 year olds. Somerby said in his headline "But she was only 17..." and 17 is below the age of consent. Antonia was 14 in the book, Anne Frank was 12-14 in her diary. These are children. They are not legally old enough to make life-altering decisions such as having sex regardless of the man's age. Some older men delibertately rape a child because they want to marry her, then the parents agree to the marriage to avoid embarrassment. That is giving a daughter into slavery, especially if she is coerced by parents or the man involved.
Mariel Hemingway complained about Woody Allen's pursuit of her. Several of the girls who appeared in films involving sex scenes below the age of consent have complained in adulthood about the effects of that on them. Sexualizing teens in the movies in no more OK than what Roy Moore was attempting and Somerby was excusing. Incels, Neo-Nazis, and guys like Andrew Tate and Epstein, men on manosphere blogs describe 17 as the prime age for women's attractiveness. It is BELOW THE FUCKING AGE OF CONSENT YOU ASSHOLES because 17 year olds do not have the emotional and cognitive development to deal with being sexual, especially with older men who may pressure them into marriage or motherhood while still in childhood.
But but but ancient societies did it...men object. That was before psychologists understood human development, and it reflects a misunderstanding of the age of marriage in various cultures, the nature of relationships in different times and places, and seems to say that just because it was done then, means it must have been a good idea -- it isn't.
Dogface, your shift of the girl's age to 20 is very revealing. It suggests even you don't want to force girls into sex while still young teens. You are dodging the complaints you know you would get if you suggested a younger age, as both Somerby and Moore did.
Epstein was still trafficking some of his girls around age 18 or so, but then he would drop them because they were too old. Part of the damage done to kids who are targeted by pedophiles is that pedos have a preferred age and when the kids reach that age they are abruptly abandoned in a relationship where they thought they were valued. They don't understand what they did wrong or why that has happened. The same thing happens to child stars who get too old and are dropped from a sitcom -- they did think of themselves in terms of age but as people and they don't know why they are suddenly abandoned. That hurts. It even hurts at age 17 or 20. It may seem trivial to you when a man like Trump drops a wife who has borne his kids because she is too old and seeks a new, younger trophy wife: Ivana for Marla, Marla for Melania, Melania for anyone he leers at. Look how Trump sought out Karen MacDougal and Stormy Daniels while Melania was pregnant, now too old to be of any value to him. Doing this to a child is evil, but it also hurts women who think of themselves as actual people capable of being loved and not treated as objects or things without feeligs that matter.
This behavior is wrong.
While Bacall loved Bogart, there were problems she spoke about related to their age differences (from AI):
Delete"While she never complained about Bogart himself, Bacall was deeply candid about a few specific aspects of their life together:
His Ultimatum: Bogart told her that if she wanted a serious, full-time acting career where she went off on location, he wouldn't marry her. Bacall agreed to put the marriage first to ensure the relationship worked.
His Alcohol Intake: Like many in the Hollywood scene of the 1940s and 1950s, Bogart drank heavily, which could lead to dramatic moments.
Caregiving: In her memoirs, Bacall wrote honestly about the devastating and grueling nature of his final months, as he underwent grueling treatments for esophageal cancer before his death in 1957."
A girl who is being swept off her feet by the attentions of a famous older man, whether she loves him or not, should have the opportunity to make a decision about her life without being coerced by an intense sexual relationship. These realities exist in nearly all May-December relationships. There are trust issues for the older man that may make him more controlling of her life. Bacall put her career on hold by refusing jobs. The alcohol abuse is no fun for the spouse and there is a power differential that prevents her from having any leverage to help control his drinking (or other behavior she might object to). It may lead to violence that a young woman will find it hard to escape from. The caregiving is inevitable and varies with health, but drinking doesn't help. All widows except those whose husband die suddenly are faced with years not necessarily months of coping with a dying spouse. That is very difficult and should be a choice, not something a 17 year old stumbles into with a sexy 45 year old man and then watches him become feeble without any option to leave him, especially if she loves him. That is very hard and a major reason why most men remarry if their wives die, but most women do not remarry when their husbands die.
Lauren Bacall may have felt loyalty to Bogart and their marriage, but that doesn't mean she might have had a better life with someone else. 17 year olds and even 20 year olds may not appreciate all of the consequences of her choice to be with a much older man.
"Dogface, your shift of the girl's age to 20 is very revealing."
DeleteWhat's revealing is your sleight of hand. Your accusation: Somerby argues in favor of chilid marriage. When pressed, you dodged by shifting to saying he supports may-december marriages, and cited Bacall/Bogart. Bacall was 20, Bogart was 45, when they married. So, after noting that you were abandoning your argument about child marriages, I noted in addition that 20-year-old women should be free to marry whoever they want to marry.
And now you have the audacity to pretend that I'm the one shifting the argument.
To be clear: The argument is whether, as you contend, Somerby favors child marriage. You have presented nothing but misdirection in support of your claim.
You refuse to go back and read what Somerby said. That’s on you. The headline said she was 17.
DeleteI actually said Somerby defended Roy Moore. Somerby cited the Bogey-Bacall relationship to support Moore by claiming Hollywood condoned such relationships.
DeleteI’ve quoted this for DG before. It is a waste of time.
Delete“No one is uninteresting.” I’m sure Yevtushenko had Roy Moore in mind when he wrote that. Somerby did too, I imagine. Because no one spends as much time and effort as Somerby did showing us Hollywood may-December romances and pointing out how girls got married much younger in the old days, all in the context of 5 women who were interviewed and said that, looking back, they all now think Roy Moore was a creep.
DeleteA politics of meaning is not “a critter”. It is an attitude and belief system alive and well on the left but not the right. And Somerby, with his cynicism, is part of the problem not the solution.
ReplyDeleteWe’re lucky that Somerby has no influence.
Delete"Somerby . . . is part of the prblem not the solution."
DeleteActually, he is suggesting a solution -- he says we badly need a "politics of meaning" that will lead to "a less destsructive political culture." I presume he will expand on what this "politics of meaning" would be in future posts.
We had one with Kamala, but Somerby preferred to mock her. We had one with Biden too but Somerby helped push him out.
DeleteThe right, in my view, is never going to engage in less destructive political culture, unless and until they are totally defeated in their present form. It’s one thing to talk about doing this, but you have to have buy-in, and it takes two to tango, etc. Somerby needs to be talking to republicans about this.
DeleteFor example, the civil war was not a time for pining for a less destructive politics. It was a time for defeating the rebellion.
Both Biden and Harris made an effort to reach out to Republicans in a bipartisan appeal. Republicans, Trump, for example, never do that. They talk about getting rid of the “evil” of liberalism and “communism” which they equate with the Democratic Party.
DeleteSo, you disagree. You think we have to fight and defeat the Other Tribe unconditionally. You think there's no reasoning with the Other Tribe because they're all the same and they're evil. I understand.
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DeleteDon’t put words in my mouth, DG. I (@2:32) did not say all people who voted for republicans were evil, nor did I say the gop is evil. That is how they portray US, DG. I said that the GOP, as currently constituted, does not want to cooperate. How could they, if they think we are evil communists? My point is that their party will only reform itself if they experience total electoral defeat. That’s just reality.
Right wing simps like Dogface want Dems to capitulate to Republicans. Fair enough. That is good advice, if you want Dems to keep losing.
DeleteSomerby is typically sly slick and coy with his rhetoric, but to a careful reader Somerby's politics are pretty clear: he is cynical about democracy and endorses a world run by elites.
It wasn't Hillary's speech that turned off voters, it was her Third Way neoliberalism, her willingness to acquiesce to Republicans, that made voters disgusted.
The Clintons and Obama used this strategy to win some wars, but lost the battle.
Now, in large part due to the democratization of media, Dems have rising new voices that actually care about Americans and their well being, not just in speech but in their policies. This is why Dems have been punching above their weight in elections over the past decade.
Of course that's how they portray us: That's Propaganda 101. And they think Democrats will only reform themselves if Dems experience total defeat. Which they see as an existential imperative. Thus, the apocalypse awaits.
DeleteSomerby suggests (but is not particularly hopeful) that there may be a better path forward.
"Right wing simps like Dogface want Dems to capitulate to Republicans."
DeleteI won't comment on whether I'm a simp or not, but you're 100% dead wrong when you say I'm right-wing and want Dems to captitulate to Republicans. You obviously have a very serious reading comprehension problem.
What are Dems supposed to reform themselves from, DG? Being evil communists? Do you read what you type?
DeleteDog, you aint foolin a soul, you are a right winger.
DeleteBut keep protestin, that'll convince em for sure.
3:08 -- And you're not fooling anyone -- you have nothing of interest or substance to say.
DeleteHillary's slogan was "Stronger Together". How could Somerby fault that? It is why she won the popular vote over Trump, who cheated with help from Russia and still only won the electoral college.
DeleteCan anyone here coherently summarize Somerby's alternative to what Dems are currently doing? He has a lot of vague criticism but what alternative is he proposing?
Delete2:52 is spot on, despite the troll squealing.
DeleteI think they meant Clinton/Obama won battles but lost the war.
3:14 isn't that your shtick? Aren't you mocked here regularly for avoiding substance in blindly defending Somerby?
3:08 has a good point, this troll doth protest too much.
With these types of folks, it is all about projection, and every accusation is a confession.
Great question, Selby. He has not yet said what a "politics of meaning" would entail. Knowing Somerby's style, my guess is that its substance will be trickled out in bits and pieces over several weeks or months.
DeleteMy guess, for what it's worth, is that it would hark back to Martin Luther King, Jr., and his view that we should stand up unafriad for what is right while respecting and loving those who oppose us.
3:20 Somerby thinks we need gatekeepers that tell us what to think, he thinks we should focus less on preserving democracy, he thinks protests of any sort are counterproductive, he thinks Republicans have a point when they complain about immigrants and women having too much power, and transpeople, and that Dems would be more successful if they rolled over for Republicans more.
DeleteSomerby tries to pretend he is a "liberal" but the general thrust of his blog is to denigrate Dems and support right wing notions, so any advice he has for Dems is not meant to actually help Dems, but in fact harm them.
"White America needs to understand that it is poisoned to its soul by racism"
Delete-MLK jr 1967
It is repugnant when right wingers misappropriate MLK jr.
3:34 -- Let's pick just one of your examples at random: Somerby thinks "Republicans have a point when they complain about . . . women having too much power."
DeleteWhat are the chances that you can back that up with a cite? One in a thousand, or one in a million?
3:42 - For some reason I cannot discern you seem to think that quote is inconsistent with what I said.
DeleteI am continually frustrated that Somerby blames and criticizes us blues without ever getting specific about what any of us have done wrong (except calling others sexist, racist, xenophobic, which they obviously are). When Somerby criticized Kamala, it was based on a lie being told by the right about her efforts and plans to address immigration and border issues. Repeating the right wings lies as if they were true is unhelpful if Dems are supposed to improve in some way.
DeleteToday I saw a car in Denver with a bunch of hand-made red-ink signs about liking women in the Army and wanting women to vote Republican, all over the car. That seems like a right winger who has gotten the message and recognizes that the right needs women in the party, but it is coming from someone with no power to change Hegseth and the manosphere dominating the party. I appreciate the sentiment though, whatever is motivating it. Somerby may not like women, but the right needs them if they are going to recover after Trump. Somerby seems to think that pissing off women by attacking Hillary's right to do something consequential as first lady is going to be good for Democrats? Yet another sign that he is not on our side but working clandestinely for the right.
What I want to know is how they got to Bill Maher. It is almost as if he is contemplating a political career or seeking a right wing fanbase to bolster his sagging audience numbers. He is nauseating. So is Somerby, especially when he says something deliberately provocative, like his last Anne Frank name-drop.
Part of the essence of sexism is men's recognition that they need women and depend on them to both satisfy needs for companionship and sex, but also for procreation. They resent having to be nice to women and wish they could just take what they need, hence their focus on rape and assault.
DeleteGuys like Trump and Hegseth and the rest of the bros have generalized the desire to just take what they want or need from others without impediments. Mine mine mine is their credo. So, they are busily raping and stealing and assaulting everyone, not just a few women. Freud talked about the compromise between the ID and the Ego and the Superego. Think of these men as lacking superegos, dominated by id and using ego in service to id (the tantruming baby who wants what it wants, now). That is Trump's illness, but it is echoed by men who think anything should be theirs, no matter how attained. The patriarchy is a male dominated system instituted by men in service of their needs, without regard for women, and sexism is the denigration of women and hatred directed at them that sustains patriarchy.
Somerby resents every woman who has succeed, but especially those who have done well at things he himself has failed. He feels better when he puts down such women and takes what he wants, including Anne Frank (in fantasy). Men like Somerby are dangerous because they have not made a truce with women sufficiently to satisfy his needs, so the hate is motivated by his sense of deprivation.
So he comes here to do what he does, occasionally jabbing at women who left wingers admire. Liberals don't tend to do that. Along with the sexism, the bitterness is a dead giveaway about these guys.
"the bitterness is a dead giveaway about these guys"
DeleteI sense more than a hint of bitterness in everything that you write.
MLK would be disgusted by the idea that we should "love" Republicans in the sense that Somerby means.
DeleteSomerby yammers on and on about shrill female Dems and how complaints about gender gap pay and older men leering at younger women are overblown.
The best defense is offense, right DG? Does anything about me make Somerby less obviously bitter?
DeleteDG is confusing commenters again. When he tries to discuss topics by attacking others but cannot keep straight who said what, he gets frustrated, but the way to discuss ideas is to focus on the ideas, not attack the people expressing them.
DeleteThis idea that shrill female Dems shouldn't be telling men what to do has some pretty obvious links to what guys feel about their mothers (the first woman who told them what to do). But women have always been responsible for socializing children and civilizing societies by teaching them to care about others. First as moms and then as elementary school teachers and later as high school teachers, then as girlfriends and wives. Men do the same when they care about women and children and spend time with them and build homes and families and cultures with them. Life is meant to be a partnership not a competition. Making competition so out-of-control that men are competing against women instead of forming alliances with them, is an aberration arising from Trump's inability to care about anyone but himself, and his collection of like-minded stunted men to his administration.
DeleteWe need to defend our values and institutions, not just oppose and prosecute Trump, but defeating Trump is an essential part of rebuilding what he has destroyed in our society. Pitting men against women is the same as pitting immigrants against natives and blacks against whites. This divide and conquer distracts all of us from opposing thieves and corrupt agents like Trump and his cronies.
Somerby has that part right, but then he turns around and attacks women's equal pay and claims the border is not being controlled because a rapist killed another woman jogger. The violence is the problem not an immigrant's national origin. Somerby says Kumbaya but he doesn't walk the walk. He swaggers like any asshole Republican, piling on Tarlov along with Gutfeld's crew and pretending he cares about Anne Frank while sexualizing her photo and Antonia's sweaty body. Somerby calls for us to unite but then behaves like the rest in the right wing pigsty.
"When [DG] tries to discuss topics by attacking others but cannot keep straight who said what"
DeleteIt's bizarre when anons complain about being confused with other anons. Guess what? There's a simple remedy.
There’s a remedy for that, DG.
Delete“Pitting men against women…” The Slabbiness© is strong in this one. (4:41).
DeleteLeroy
Anons are complaining about being personally attacked for something they didn't say. But the personal attack is the problem. It is not discussion at all. It is venting hostility at others, perhaps because DG doesn't have any actual arguments.
DeleteLike calling someone "slabby" when that isn't anyone's name here, has a faintly derogatory sound to it, and is obviously being directed to someone who may not be the right author.
DeleteThose who slime Somerby and anybody who likes him, using every insult in the book, suddenly start bawling like babies and crying about civility if somebody pushes back with something so innocuous as "slabbies."
DeleteSomerby slimes himself because he is slime and a lot of what he writes here is exceptionally slimy. You can't blame readers for noticing that.
DeleteThat is always the problem. The fanboys think Somerby is the victim when he is the one victimizing others he writes about here, Tarlov for example. Why pick on her?
Delete5:07 - I do have any actual argument. I think Somerby attackers frequently mischaracterize what Somerby says. To prove this requires an example by example examination of what the attackers said. I challenged 3:34 to support the accusation that Somerby believes Republicans are correct in thinking that women have too much power. The fact that no citation is forthcoming lends support to my contention that Somerby attackers just make shit up.
DeleteIt must be frustrating when uou demand someone jump through your hoop snd they blow you off…
DeleteNo, it's the opposite. The slappers make shit up about Somerby; I say: "Give a citation!" And then they either disappear entirely or give me a word avalanche filled with misdirection and namecalling. It's not frustrating because I know what's going to happen.
DeleteJust in this one thread we have examples of both. One anon said Somerby favors child marriages; when challenged, no citation, but word avalanches filled with misdirection. Another said Somerby believes Republicans are right to think women have too much power; when challenged, silence.
DeleteI didn’t see either of those statements made.
DeleteI explained why sex with girls is wrong and you call it misdirection. Can you be a bigger asshole?
DeleteMore misdirection. You don't have to explain that sex with girls is wrong. We all kinow that. But your specific accusation, that you made at 3:41, is that Somerby would "argue in favor of child marriage."
DeleteThe simple fact is that you cannot support that accusation, and so you dodge by lecturing us about everything else.
Of course Hillary was right.
ReplyDelete“It probably wasn't wise to say that—especially for Hillary Clinton, who had already become a favorite punching bag of certain elements on the right and within the American press.”
ReplyDeleteNot sure I agree that she should have allowed her behavior or her speeches to be determined by potential reactions of the right wing. The right will latch onto anything, or just make it up whole cloth, to demonize liberals.
Next you’ll be saying that Al Gore shouldn’t have worn those weird suits.
Trump is the least popular president in history.
DeleteRepublicans will attempt to retcon their story, saying it was all Trump's fault.
But Gore won in 2000, yet the Supreme court handed the election instead to their guy W Bush.
This was prior to the democratization of media, and corporate media was in the bag for Bush, so America just shrugged at the outrageous corruption and went about their day; that would not happen now.
Every single election, polls are done and people state “We’re so tired of the negative politics!” And yet Republicans engage in that with gusto and with glee and still get elected to office. Over and over again. While their democratic opponent talks about jobs and healthcare and working hard for all her constituents, the Republican candidate is calling the Democrat an evil communist. The voters seem to quite often reward the negative politics while turning around and saying they’re tired of it!
ReplyDeleteIt’s like Talarico in Texas. He’s trying to talk about policies, his positive vision for the future, and his opponents are calling him a demon, fer chrissakes.
Republicans excel at motivating their voters to actually vote, knowing that this is primarily what electoral politics are about.
DeleteDems, guided by wrongheaded consultants, dumbly thought they could persuade center/center right swing voters, but contemporary Dems are finally waking up to the fact that swing voters are a myth and that persuasion plays no role in electoral politics.
Dem voters vote when the barriers to voting are lowered and they feel like their material needs are being genuinely addressed.
On the other hand, the so-called kitchen table issues are not motivating Dem voters, who have been frustrated by the inability of Democrats to stand up to Trumb. Democrats want to see our institutions defended and our freedoms restored, which means no more ICE, restoring museums and libraries, funding universities, restoring a free press, and stopping corruption. Trump has been one big FU to everything we care about, including the health of our families and the ability to support ourselves via work, but that doesn't mean an appeal to higher pay will work. WE WANT GUYS LIKE TRUMP TO BE PROSECUTED AND REMOVED FROM OFFICE. What it means to have "material needs" addressed has changed.
DeleteTrump and his cronies need to be prosecuted.
DeleteBiden and congressional Dems dropped the ball on that.
The Dems that are winning are standing up to Trump by talking about universal healthcare, a living wage, affordability, accountability, higher taxes on the wealthy, not supporting zionism, and generally being woke.
Can a “politics of meaning” take place in a society dominated by social media, pointed out here recently as a potential downfall of the country?
ReplyDeleteSocial media will soon be nothing but AI and bots. People will look elsewhere for communion.
DeleteThere is no elsewhere.
DeleteThere is face-to-face human interaction in shared spaces within communities. The newish saying to go walking on grass is about that.
DeleteThat saying ("touch grass") has been around for years, and people are doing it less than ever. The internet is an addictive drug, and it's only going to become more addictive as it is iteratively refined.
DeletePeople are telling each other to do it more, it is appearing as advice on the internet these days.
DeleteI think it is interesting that people are abandoning the Metaverse and Horizon VR environment in favor of other types of interactions, such as hanging out in real life.
It's interesting because it isn't happening.
DeleteGolden country your face is so red
ReplyDeleteWith all of your money your poor can be fed
You strut around and you flirt with disaster
Never really carin' just what comes after
Well your blacks are dyin' but your back is still turned
And your freaks are cryin' but your back is still turned
You better stop your hidin or your country will burn
- not George Harrison
It is better for all if you cite who actually wrote this (REO Speedwagon). What is the point of leaving off the citation.
DeleteThose of us of a certain age know already that the Beatles remained basically non-political in order to broaden their appeal. All but Lennon stayed non-political after they broke up, but taking heroin isn't exactly activism.
To be fair, Taxman was hardly apolitical.
DeleteIt is selfish. Listen to the Kinks "Lazing on a Sunny Afternoon" for a better version. All those guys complain when they first acquire wealth. Complaining about progressive taxes is hardly counter-culture.
DeleteThe idea is conditioning through a repeated motif, similar to how the film Little Big Man kept repeating the Garyowen music, with Bob being the target.
DeleteBob does read the comments.
"I’m a socialist, and Labour is not socialist anymore."
Delete- Ray Davies complaining about neoliberals like Tony Blair in 2008
LOLA Lola, ahead of its time but spot on.
DeleteYup.
Delete"Today is Black Women's Equal Pay Day.
ReplyDeleteIt's a reminder that Black women have to work months longer than the average white man to earn the same amount of money.
That inequity exists in our classrooms, too.
According to the National Education Association, Black teachers earn about $22,000 less than comparable working adults and roughly $5,000 less than White and Hispanic teachers. Female teachers also earn about $9,000 less in base salary than their male colleagues.
Research consistently shows that students thrive when they see themselves reflected in their teachers. Black educators improve academic outcomes, raise expectations, and help create stronger, more inclusive schools for every child.
When we invest in Black women educators, we invest in the future of public education."
https://www.educatedwestand.com/
I am loving this Dogface George character getting a beat down today. Wish I had some popcorn.
ReplyDeleteYou brag about hiding and watching?
DeleteSomebody get DG an ambulance.
DeleteI hate Dogface George.
DeleteHillary Clinton deserves a statue in Trump's garden of heroes.
ReplyDeleteAs we talk, dry drunk Hegseth is demanding the obscene amount of $1.5 trillion pentagon budget. This doesn’t include the supplemental funding he is demanding for the war/non-war in the Middle East. Because fuck you, what are you going to do about it.
ReplyDeleteWe must sacrifice our healthcare and kids daycare so we can fight the eternal Republican Middle East War. Bunch of jaggoffs and weirdos.
DeleteThe Trump crime family is about $10 billion richer than they were a year ago.
DeleteHow are you all doing?