tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1014050755196863106..comments2024-03-29T10:45:42.049-04:00Comments on the daily howler: CAN WE TALK: A night in the life of the tribe!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66935429401016670032013-07-10T22:16:33.839-04:002013-07-10T22:16:33.839-04:00I've got an idea. Why doesn't a pampered ...I've got an idea. Why doesn't a pampered scaredy-cat get himself one of them their guns and make himself feel like a tough-guy frontiersman. Zimmerman wouldn't be the first guy to fall for the NRA's marketing campaign. In fact, he wouldn't be one of the first 100,000 to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88437541194956125962013-07-10T01:39:31.164-04:002013-07-10T01:39:31.164-04:00Foster economic equality"
All that claptrap ...Foster economic equality"<br /><br />All that claptrap is pretty close to useless to Zimmerman and his law abiding neighbors forced to put up with rapes and burglaries and other thuggery police obviously couldn't handle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83033585674333071582013-07-10T01:22:23.128-04:002013-07-10T01:22:23.128-04:00"He simply performed the function of a neighb..."He simply performed the function of a neighborhood watch person....<br /><br />"... regardless of the outcome, I think he deserves credit for making his community a better place on a volunteer basis."<br /><br />There's a world of people (including many in law enforcement) who hear the words "neighborhood watch" and cringe. Better to pay higher taxes to recruit and properly train more police; better by far to foster a society of social and economic equality and opportunity (and thereby reduce crime), than to sanction tin-horn vigilantes (visions of Bush clearing brush come to mind).<br /><br />Is Zimmerman's community a better place now for his actions? Yeah, sure. Martin's sure isn't. Would be nice if Zimmerman had been able to imagine these "two" might be "one." mchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1369284505430001862013-07-10T01:12:04.401-04:002013-07-10T01:12:04.401-04:00" But, regardless of the outcome, I think he ..." But, regardless of the outcome, I think he deserves credit for making his community a better place on a volunteer basis."<br /><br />According to tonight's testimony that texts on Martin's phone revealed he tried to buy or sell a gun a few days before going to his father's because of school suspension. Looks like GZ's instincts were right but gun humper only applies to law abiding light complected neighborhood watchmen types, never thugs who are black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91121418033486671842013-07-10T00:06:29.130-04:002013-07-10T00:06:29.130-04:00If she doesn't let it in the only plausible ex...If she doesn't let it in the only plausible explanation will be intimidation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50961488759219672582013-07-09T23:56:28.704-04:002013-07-09T23:56:28.704-04:00I'm not convinced she won't let them in co...I'm not convinced she won't let them in come tomorrow. She was looking for an out and doing some absurd reaching about authentic issues but there is zero doubt she would be reversed and she knows it. It's possible she was putting on a show of resistance because of the threats of violence hanging over the area but will do the right thing on this issue. Doesn't mean she won't stick it to the defense on other less clear cut matters if she stays true to form.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34737428206700226552013-07-09T23:43:21.727-04:002013-07-09T23:43:21.727-04:00The fact that Judge Nelson didn't give the def...The fact that Judge Nelson didn't give the defense extra time to find evidence corroborating what's on the phone would seem to be significant in case of an appeal. IMHO she seems to have telegraphed that she isn't going to admit the phone stuff and she's not going to give the defense extra time.<br /><br />It's been said in open court that one Prosecutor (Bernie de la Renta, I think) is going to be sanctioned after the trial is over, because he withheld exculpatory information from the defense and lied to the judge and defense about it. Those are serious misdeeds. Yet, this judge apparently isn't going to do anything for the defendant. Yet, he's the one who was harmed by the prosecutor's misdeeds. The Constitution has various protections, to be sure that the defendant gets a fair trial. Judge Nelson's handling of this matter doesn't seem to follow that principle. David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26295119397275042082013-07-09T23:28:25.088-04:002013-07-09T23:28:25.088-04:00David in Cal,
So I can't be skeptical of Zimme...David in Cal,<br />So I can't be skeptical of Zimmerman's defense claims even though there is zero DNA evidence to support his claims?<br /><br />How about this: Can I be skeptical of a guy who was pissed that "these punks always get away with it" being 100% wrong in his claim? Martin didn't "get away with it". He lay dead from a bullet from the pissed off guy's gun. <br /><br />If the answer to that question is "no, one shouldn't be skeptical", then I'd say you're the guy with the bias in this case.<br /><br />BertoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52455331961391848822013-07-09T23:21:27.301-04:002013-07-09T23:21:27.301-04:00So Zimmerman regularly called the police. Did he ...So Zimmerman regularly called the police. Did he mention in any of his "regular" calls that the punks are always getting away with it, or was that just on this call.<br />BTW, Zimmerman was quickly proven wrong as the "punk" was dead from a bullet from Zimmerman's gun less than an hour later.<br />Whether Zimmerman is guilty or not, you'd have to be an idiot not to be skeptical of his stories of self-defense after that statement.<br /><br />BertoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72333905254975042982013-07-09T23:19:49.826-04:002013-07-09T23:19:49.826-04:00they're trying to spin this insane impossible ...<i>they're trying to spin this insane impossible narrative that Zimmerman started the fight,</i><br /><br />The state-biased judge lost it tonight because the defense put her in a position she didn't like. Either let the phone evidence of Martin's thuggery in without requiring further proof they were his texts and photos (since the state concealed this information until June 4 and had it since January) or have herself reversed for not allowing it, which is a near certainty should there be a conviction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2594172190889382462013-07-09T23:14:42.991-04:002013-07-09T23:14:42.991-04:00The latter.The latter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1858047900623793622013-07-09T22:58:35.582-04:002013-07-09T22:58:35.582-04:00John Good saw the altercation from a few feet away...John Good saw the altercation from a few feet away and said he saw and heard Zimmerman screaming for help. The idea that anyone can listen to that terrible recording of the 911 call with faint sounds of screaming coming from outside the house and discern that it belonged to a specific person are ridiculous. And it's Trayvon's family who forced this ridiculous situation by blatantly lying at the direction of Crump and claiming that they can identify the voice. Defense would not have bothered to call voice witnesses if it were not for the ridiculous antics of Trayvon's family claiming they could tell it was Trayvon screaming based on the recording. John Good should have been the final word on it and the prosecution should have focused on the reasonableness of the use of force, but instead they're trying to spin this insane impossible narrative that Zimmerman started the fight, Zimmerman was on top, and Trayvon was screaming, because they're playing this case to the gullible media rubes rather than to the jury.mikehttp://mypostingcareer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6760721764930474002013-07-09T22:54:10.777-04:002013-07-09T22:54:10.777-04:00The question is why did Obama fire Miller and say ...The question is why did Obama fire Miller and say people were "right to be angry?"<br /><br />Either there is a scandal or Obama is prone to firing people and denigrating their work without good cause--which is it?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37059264192047983172013-07-09T22:35:16.908-04:002013-07-09T22:35:16.908-04:00Charles Blow tweeted this bit of profundity tonigh...Charles Blow tweeted this bit of profundity tonight. ("led.")<br /><br /><i>Charles M. Blow @CharlesMBlow 2h<br />One lesson from this trial is this: when you're killed, not only do you die but so does your version of what lead to your death.</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68092084982290620502013-07-09T19:43:38.209-04:002013-07-09T19:43:38.209-04:00All the calls he made about dogs loose in the comm...All the calls he made about dogs loose in the community involved brown or black dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38089149731341189682013-07-09T19:36:50.806-04:002013-07-09T19:36:50.806-04:00White Supremist? The FBI interviewed dozens and d...White Supremist? The FBI interviewed dozens and dozens of people and they determined that Zimmerman was NOT a racist. This is a fact. Look it up. There will be no "civil rights" violations brought against him because he has already been cleared by the FBI of racism. Zimmerman spoke out against police brutality of a homeless black man. He tutored black kids. His great, great grandfather is black. You are incapable of seeing the case for what it is. A very tragic, very sad incident where a man shot a teen when he thought his life was in danger. Not all killings end or should end in a murder conviction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70357511872729682722013-07-09T19:20:04.643-04:002013-07-09T19:20:04.643-04:00mch, I don't know what you mean by "play ...mch, I don't know what you mean by "play cop." I think the evidence reasonably shows that Zimmerman made no effort to accost Martin or to arrest him. Zimmerman's efforts were merely to identify him as someone worth checking out, to call the police to make the check, and, if possible, to tell the police where Martin was.<br /><br />If the development had a security guard or a police patrolman, we'd respect that person for helping to prevent the robberies that were frequent in the development. Zimmerman was providing that service in an official status, without pay, and in coordination with the police. The coordination wasn't just formal. He regularly called the police. His record shows that he didn't attempt to "play cop." He simply performed the function of a neighborhood watch person.<br /><br />Z may be found guilty or murder or manslaughter for all I know. But, regardless of the outcome, I think he deserves credit for making his community a better place on a volunteer basis.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42740288943835213872013-07-09T19:07:32.163-04:002013-07-09T19:07:32.163-04:00Does "should be criticized"= should be a...Does "should be criticized"= should be accused of being guilty?Mark Saberhagennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48956441664891988122013-07-09T17:27:32.882-04:002013-07-09T17:27:32.882-04:00Scary. The anti-Zimmerman mob is actually arguing...Scary. The anti-Zimmerman mob is actually arguing Zimmerman's agonized screams do not constitute evidence of Zimmerman's state of mind and whether he feared serious injury or death as he received his injuries. (We already KNOW such a fear would reasonable thanks in part to doc's testimony today, and would also be reasonable in the absence of visible injury.)<br /><br />Frighteningly, all too often this is the caliber of reasoning on the part of jurors.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33329518749280042772013-07-09T17:16:47.250-04:002013-07-09T17:16:47.250-04:00Since David in Cal is not satisfied with "we ...Since David in Cal is not satisfied with "we can't know" and insists on arguing as if we could, I will respond simply by way of anecdote (though every mother I have ever talked with about this has had the same experience).<br /><br />For many years after my children were little and were not anywhere near me, when I was in a store or public crowd and a child called out "Mom" or "Mommy," my whole body would freeze in alert and I would look up, ready to say, "Yes?" (It happens sometimes still, and my children are both in their early 30's.)<br /><br />The evidence presented in this trial die about who cried for help is useless. (And it's not even clear to me why it matters. If Zimmerman cried for help the question remains whether he reasonably feared for his life, by Florida law.)<br /><br />As for what I think of Zimmerman and Florida law, as opposed to whether he should be held accountable legally by current Florida law: if you're going to play cop, youse takes your chances. mchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60290715632444719172013-07-09T14:32:40.198-04:002013-07-09T14:32:40.198-04:00At least this isn't another interpretation of ...At least this isn't another interpretation of the evidence in the Zimmerman trial.<br />And I agree the IRS "scandal" deserves more coverage.<br /><br />But remember this: It was decades before even some "Patriots" stopped believing that Sen. Joe McCarthy lied about his "List" of card carrying communists in the State Department.<br /><br />Obama haters will go to their graves convinced that Obama ordered the IRS to squelch ONLY Tea Party requests for tax exempt status.<br /><br />Like McCarthy, Issa lied, but the media have decided that is not worth their time and effort to report on that.<br /><br />BTW, transcripts of the House Oversight Committee managed to get some of Issa's TV interview into the record without noting that the witnesses were testifying under oath, and Issa was not.<br />Kinda like the old days.<br />Has anything really changed since McCarthy and Nixon?gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51503831156939948712013-07-09T14:12:53.208-04:002013-07-09T14:12:53.208-04:00Then
Listen to this tape! You can hear a child l...Then<br /><br />Listen to this tape! You can hear a child losing his life as he screams in agony!<br /><br />The Sanford PD didn't even arrest the white supremacist who shot a black boy armed only with skittles in cold blood!<br /><br />Look at these pictures of Trayvon! Anyone can see he was a normal sweet young boy!<br /><br />Look at this video! No injuries on Zimmerman's head! No broken nose either! He lied! Case closed!<br /><br />Neighbors said Zimmerman was on top!<br /><br />Now<br /><br />So what if he is Hispanic! That's still whiter than black!<br /><br />Trayvon's fights, thefts and gun photos on his phone are a red herring!<br /><br />Who the screams belong to is a red herring!<br /><br />The head injuries are a red herring!<br /><br />Broken nose is a red herring!<br /><br />Zimmerman on top is a red herring!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91727133322378585492013-07-09T14:00:16.052-04:002013-07-09T14:00:16.052-04:00Only he doesn't need any evidence of grabbing ...Only he doesn't need any evidence of grabbing the gun or grabbing for the gun. The jury can't know one way or the other and the presence or absence of DNA is meaningless for drawing any conclusion. Then you move on to other evidence like GZ having his head smashed against concrete.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58234156378798500132013-07-09T13:57:37.253-04:002013-07-09T13:57:37.253-04:00^^ lol^^ lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89141802112131968692013-07-09T13:28:22.139-04:002013-07-09T13:28:22.139-04:00How do you know who the voiced belonged to? Didn&...How do you know who the voiced belonged to? Didn't the judge bar any of the audio tests because they were inconclusive.<br /><br />But it does help the defense because it's the prosecution that has to get over the reasonable doubt hurdle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com