tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1163424106225029320..comments2024-03-19T03:14:10.247-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Supplemental: The New York Times defies belief!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43807498397457756542015-07-07T23:45:26.800-04:002015-07-07T23:45:26.800-04:00Good try mm. But Digby doesn't have the guts ...Good try mm. But Digby doesn't have the guts to take on MoDo. Reprinting somebody else's work over at Young Mao Life will not get her back in the Big House with Bob. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5118943903792288422015-07-07T19:32:35.659-04:002015-07-07T19:32:35.659-04:00Here's another good one by Digby.
Tuesday, Ju...Here's another good one by Digby.<br /><br />Tuesday, Jul 7, 2015 02:49 PM EDT <br /><br />How Politico became a GOP stooge: Republicans want to destroy Hillary Clinton—and the media is helping them out <br /><br />The political press's obsession with taking down the Clintons has led them to regurgitate Republican untruths <br />Heather Digby Parton<br /><br />http://www.salon.com/2015/07/07/how_politico_became_a_gop_stooge_republicans_want_to_destroy_hillary_clinton%e2%80%94and_the_media_is_helping_them_out/<br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27734594300605200602015-07-07T19:27:56.525-04:002015-07-07T19:27:56.525-04:00Well, see, I made my judgment based on the objecti...Well, see, I made my judgment based on the objective behavior described by the writer, not on his medical expertise and his subjective opinion that the Clintons are paranoid. I don't see any paranoia, just good judgment by the Clintons based on being subjected to this insanity by the media for over 25 years. Like GW said, "fool me once, shame on you, but fool me twice............and I will turn into Pete Townshend."<br /><br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49890979907058314602015-07-07T19:00:07.292-04:002015-07-07T19:00:07.292-04:00"I posted an article written by a political r..."I posted an article written by a political reporter who quite candidly described a case of <strong>mass hysterical insanity</strong> afflicting reporters covering "the Clintons".<br /><br />Interesting demonstration of reading comprehension from mm. The only term the author used to describe mental problems were in fact quoted in my comment. It was "paranoia." It was applied to the Clintons, not the press.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36566227513639023872015-07-07T15:57:07.056-04:002015-07-07T15:57:07.056-04:00Or neither, as the case may be. On balance, we rea...Or neither, as the case may be. On balance, we really can't say for sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85727294715722806462015-07-07T15:24:44.382-04:002015-07-07T15:24:44.382-04:00wow, what a comeback
I read TDH because he writes...wow, what a comeback<br /><br />I read TDH because he writes about the stupidity of our modern press. That's why I come here. Apparently you disagree.<br /><br />I posted an article written by a political reporter who quite candidly described a case of mass hysterical insanity afflicting reporters covering "the Clintons". There's no other way to describe it. It is impossible for anyone objectively observing the way Hillary is covered by these clowns to deny it.<br /><br />Many of the things described in that article are behaviors by the press which I have already observed and commented on here. I didn't really need Jonathan Allen to tell me how these idiots view their role in covering "the Clintons".<br /><br />I called DinC a dickhead because he continually posts bullshit. You'll notice he never responded to my actual substantive question about his latest bullshit.<br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43417948511469606472015-07-07T14:35:11.466-04:002015-07-07T14:35:11.466-04:00"Political reporters are expected to act prof..."Political reporters are expected to act professionally. IT. IS. NOT. ABOUT. THEM."<br /><br />I am sorry to hear political reporters do not live up TO.EXPECTATIONS.YOU.HAVE.ABOUT. THEM. DERIVED. FROM. GOD.KNOWS. WHERE.<br /><br />Now, go back to calling people dickheads. That is expected of blog commenters WITH.BRAINS.LIKE.YOURS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43653389525215540912015-07-07T14:16:52.277-04:002015-07-07T14:16:52.277-04:00EFFECTIVE TROLLING TECHNIQUES - Topic Dilution
By...EFFECTIVE TROLLING TECHNIQUES - Topic Dilution<br /><br />By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’ In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in.Sparkynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67299128369790823652015-07-07T12:51:29.146-04:002015-07-07T12:51:29.146-04:00@mm,
HRC's buddy George Stephanopoulos must...@mm,<br /><br />HRC's buddy George Stephanopoulos must be your idea of a "professional reporter." <br /><br />George Stephanopoulos discloses $75,000 contribution to "Clinton Foundation "<br /><br />"Stephanopoulos is the chief anchor and chief political correspondent for ABC News, as well as the co-anchor of ABC's "Good Morning America" and host of "This Week," its Sunday morning public affairs program. Prior to joining ABC News, he served as communications director and senior adviser for policy and strategy to President Clinton. He also served as communications director on Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign."<br /><br />http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/george-stephanopoulos-discloses-contribution-to-clinton-207120.htmlcicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28736297332442560242015-07-07T12:34:30.022-04:002015-07-07T12:34:30.022-04:00"It is a two way street."
No, no it'..."It is a two way street."<br /><br />No, no it's not. Political reporters are expected to act professionally. IT. IS. NOT. ABOUT. THEM.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51736927098968230712015-07-07T12:14:00.624-04:002015-07-07T12:14:00.624-04:00And don't forget the coverup about who Chelsea...And don't forget the coverup about who Chelsea Clinton's real father was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37532649224978644572015-07-07T11:51:42.115-04:002015-07-07T11:51:42.115-04:00Now all that anonymous reporter need do is explain...Now all that anonymous reporter need do is explain why they are acting as HRC 's personal public relations flak, what hard question(s) they have ever posed to HRC and how crying for a Wambulance for HRC has anything to do with the following lies HRC crafted all by lonesome. <br /><br />1) "Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters last month that the memos about Libya she received while secretary of state from Sidney Blumenthal, a longtime adviser whom the Obama administration had barred her from hiring, had been “unsolicited.”<br /><br />But email records that Mrs. Clinton, according to officials briefed on the matter, apparently failed to turn over to the State Department last fall show that she repeatedly encouraged Mr. Blumenthal to “keep ’em coming,” as she said in an August 2012 reply to a memo from him, which she called “another keeper.”<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/30/us/politics/benghazi-emails-put-focus-on-hillary-clintons-encouragement-of-adviser.html?_r=0<br /><br />2) Chelsea Clinton was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11. HRC later admitted that Chelsea was actually safely in her Union Square apartment at the time of the attack.<br /><br />3) HRC landed under sniper fire in Bosnia. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc<br /><br />3. HRC was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, one of the first two men to climb Mt. Everest. Sir Hillary didn’t actually climb Mt. Everest until Hillary Clinton was 6 years old. <br /><br />4) . HRC was emphatic that she had only one device while Secretary of State<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqITWnIKbl8<br /><br />5) HRC claims to have been instrumental in the Northern Ireland peace process.<br /><br />"Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province."<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1581150/Nobel-winner-Hillary-Clintons-silly-Irish-peace-claims.html<br /><br />6) “All my grandparents, you know, came over here, and you know my grandfather went to work in a lace mill in Scranton, Pennsylvania.”<br /><br />Clinton has only one immigrant grandparent — her father’s father, Hugh Rodham Sr., who was born in the United Kingdom. The rest of Clinton’s grandparents were born in the United States.<br /><br />7) "After dabbling in both sugar and cattle futures for just over a year, she parlayed a mere $1000 investment into nearly $100,000. In explaining her success, she first claimed to have "educated herself" and "watched the market closely." As any cattle futures trader knows, it would take years to understand cattle farming and how and when cattle are brought to market in order to be that successful. <br /><br />Under media pressure, Hillary gave a highly unusual and live news conference where she admitted that the $1000-to-$100,000 success was a result of her being counseled by Tyson Foods contract-lawyer and friend, James Blair, who simply made the trades in his own accounts on her behalf." cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1235489528992827022015-07-07T11:10:12.056-04:002015-07-07T11:10:12.056-04:00According to the most knowledgeable of Somerby'...According to the most knowledgeable of Somerby's commenters, Bob doesn't follow commenters if they post on his own blog. But put your views in Salon or the NY Times and he might not just see it, he might reprint it here. According to observation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53107317087010712402015-07-07T11:06:39.878-04:002015-07-07T11:06:39.878-04:00Further explanation from mm's link to VOX:
Po...Further explanation from mm's link to VOX:<br /><br />Point 1) " the Clintons have a <strong>bunker mentality</strong> when it comes to transparency. But <strong>their paranoia</strong> leads them to be <strong>secretive,</strong> and their secrecy leads Republicans and the press to suspect wrongdoing. That spurs further investigation, which only makes the Clintons <strong>more secretive</strong>.<br /><br />Point 3) "With the Clinton White House, the modus operandi was to stonewall as long as possible, lie if necessary — or just out of habit —So the press has plenty of precedent for believing that when the Clintons aren't forthcoming — And the Clintons, given the history of some-smoke-no-fire investigations launched against them, have plenty of precedent for being mistrustful of the press. The result is a <strong>brutally dysfunctional relationship on both sides.</strong>"<br /><br />It also comes down to this: It is a two way street. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91494574038956867282015-07-07T10:25:37.533-04:002015-07-07T10:25:37.533-04:00Musings on Anonymous @ 7:11 pm
"musings on t...Musings on Anonymous @ 7:11 pm<br /><br />"musings on the mainstream "press corps" and the american discourse"<br /><br />When did TPM become the mainstream press corps?"<br /><br />So writes a Howler commenter. I suppose the fact that TPM stated as a blog like TDH, and two years later disqualifies it. I suppose becoming a daily publication featuring wire service, breaking news, a staff of twenty plus and numerous columnists disqualifies it.<br /><br />More importantly, despite the fact they have had extensive coverage of things like TPP, which TDH may get around to covering via a review of past Krugman columns some day, Talking Points Memo just doesn't carry the kind of journalism Bob Somerby feels the need to analyze. For example:<br /><br />"Yesterday, we commented on the many sexy-time topic selections at the new reinvented <strong>Salon</strong>."<br /><br />"Loom and womb! The tale of the vaginal knitter: We don’t expect to keep writing about the new <strong>Salon</strong>." <br /><br /><strong>Traditional Home</strong> explained in this profile, which includes 28 photos of the now cat-ravaged home....Go ahead! Look at the 28 photos of that house published by Traditional Home. After taking that three-hour tour, briefly consider the bullroar found in <strong>Parade</strong>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66226411805890993132015-07-07T10:15:53.789-04:002015-07-07T10:15:53.789-04:00".....will have to put up with a lot more of ...".....will have to put up with a lot more of this ugliness."<br /><br />You can say that again. Check out this article I spotted via Digby. At least the media isn't hiding anything this time.<br /><br />**************************<br />Confessions of a Clinton reporter: The media's 5 unspoken rules for covering Hillary<br /><br /><br />1) Everything, no matter how ludicrous-sounding, is worthy of a full investigation by federal agencies, Congress, the "vast right-wing conspiracy," and mainstream media outlets<br /><br /> 2) Every allegation, no matter how ludicrous, is believable until it can be proven completely and utterly false. And even then, it keeps a life of its own in the conservative media world.<br /><br /> 3) The media assumes that Clinton is acting in bad faith until there's hard evidence otherwise.<br /><br /> 4) Everything is newsworthy because the Clintons are the equivalent of America's royal family<br /><br /> 5) Everything she does is fake and calculated for maximum political benefit<br /><br /> There's a whole lot to it and he helpfully documents many examples that prove his point, but it comes down to this:<br /><br />The Clinton rules are driven by reporters' and editors' desire to score the ultimate prize in contemporary journalism: the scoop that brings down Hillary Clinton and her family's political empire. At least in that way, Republicans and the media have a common interest.<br /><br />****************************<br />http://www.vox.com/2015/7/6/8900143/hillary-clinton-reporting-rulesmmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80255722093471630492015-07-07T09:59:20.193-04:002015-07-07T09:59:20.193-04:00Monica Lewinsky was an perhaps still is an extorti...Monica Lewinsky was an perhaps still is an extortionist. To say that She never tried to "cash in" is like saying Babe Ruth never tired to hit a home <br />run. <br /><br /> She was much more glorified in her glory days than "shamed." <br /><br /> What's sad/madding is that a lot of her, whatever the hell it is, comeback? is being encouraged by liberals. <br /><br /> But more progressives really, who want it as a stick to smack Hillary with. Well, after all, Hillary did cheat on Monica with Monica's husband..wait..... <br /><br /> Those of us who want to see Hillary win will have to put up with a lot more of this ugliness. It is sick, but it will be the price we pay. There is nothing left to say about how grotesque Mo Dowd is. <br /><br /> Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18640607187859600802015-07-07T08:40:39.970-04:002015-07-07T08:40:39.970-04:00"The lesson is that for everything there is a..."The lesson is that for everything there is a price to pay."<br /><br />Absolutely brilliant! But I can't help but wonder what a sheltered life you lead if Somerby had to tell you that. Next thing he'll tell you is that the sun rises in the East and you'll think he's the most brilliant astrophysicist in the world.<br /><br />But what really gets me is how narrowly "media" is defined by those who moan and wail about how "corporatized" it is. <br /><br />Well, sonny, we are now in the Information Age and information has never been more democratized that it is right now. Any person with a smartphone can and has broken important stories.<br /><br />Then we get to the part where there are more voices being heard today through Web sites, blogs, and social media.<br /><br />But it's much easier to play "Ain't It Awful" and focus only on what is bad (which is usually defined as "what I disagree with") than to use a search engine and find those new voices that would have never been heard in a profit-driven media seeking only mass audiences with a handful of "gatekeepers" protecting us from what we really didn't need to know.<br /><br />Funny thing about both progress and nostalgia. We of advancing years always seem to long for a past that never really was as good or even existed as our minds remember it.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66743493549322048592015-07-07T01:38:27.040-04:002015-07-07T01:38:27.040-04:00I think the best part was his starting with a line...I think the best part was his starting with a line about Dowd and then immediately shifting to a different topic: his victory in the long battle to get overpaid coddled condescending liberal professors to meet his demands. Then he switched back to Dowd with nary a hint of what the professor did other than a promise of things to come.<br /><br />This reminded me of some of Rachel Maddow's best work. Only she usually has the switch followed by a commercial. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29094413916475467682015-07-07T01:30:40.864-04:002015-07-07T01:30:40.864-04:00I enjoy the blog, the lesson is that for everythin...I enjoy the blog, the lesson is that for everything there is a price to pay. Are current trends in mainstream media- consolidation and corporatization all to the good? Is everyone with a personal blog the answer? Sometimes it's wise to realize what you've left behind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7795873500050606762015-07-07T01:29:35.787-04:002015-07-07T01:29:35.787-04:00@ 12:43 is your assessment based on social scienc...@ 12:43 is your assessment based on social science research or professional experience?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56972685763925169032015-07-07T01:01:31.720-04:002015-07-07T01:01:31.720-04:00Bob, this is really smart and good. I write as one...Bob, this is really smart and good. I write as one who (as you know, if you follow commenters) has swayed away, and I hardly ever come here ever more. But this is right on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41220528409595428772015-07-07T00:53:53.052-04:002015-07-07T00:53:53.052-04:00I thought she looked hot in the Vanity Fair pictor...I thought she looked hot in the Vanity Fair pictorial. In a vintage pinup way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71826336103006472102015-07-07T00:43:17.591-04:002015-07-07T00:43:17.591-04:00Very few men will refuse a blow job under similar ...Very few men will refuse a blow job under similar circumstances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4534343693331083772015-07-07T00:37:20.530-04:002015-07-07T00:37:20.530-04:00The great thing about this blog is that the medica...The great thing about this blog is that the medical expertise in the comment box is almost identical to the political expertise in the comment box. Both of which seem driven by a need to prove the mediocre observations of the blogger accurate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com