tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1182339533513395344..comments2024-03-28T19:21:05.837-04:00Comments on the daily howler: BALCONY FAILURE: Who lost the press!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85089119243921971172012-04-03T22:33:42.135-04:002012-04-03T22:33:42.135-04:00Of course, I expect no reply, having been summaril...Of course, I expect no reply, having been summarily dismissed as unworthy of your singular attention.<br /><br />Let me add that tactic to the list. <br /><br />1) Like Somerby, you're an ignoramus.<br />2) You're a right wing sympathizer. <br />3) You hurt my feelings with your mean words.sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45859706761303999732012-04-03T22:28:19.976-04:002012-04-03T22:28:19.976-04:00Condescending tripe (ooh, did that hurt?).
In my ...Condescending tripe (ooh, did that hurt?).<br /><br />In my initial response to you, I offered up Ed Shultz, Maddow, Michael Moore, and Lawrence McDonnell as examples of leftists. <br /><br />You reply next that the left is not represented in major media. The major figures you cite are Greenwald and Chomsky.<br /><br />Were you intentionally being misleading? <br /><br />Are Maddow, Shultz, Michael Moore and Lawrence McDonnell not in the major media? If so, it's news to me. So that can only mean that they are not, in your eyes, true leftists.<br /><br />Really, what other conclusion can be drawn from *your* words? <br /><br />I would add that Gail Collins, supporter of single payer healthcare, strict gun laws, strong anti-poverty programs, women's and minority rights, is by her own and many others' definition a leftist.<br /><br />I'll ask again the question you avoided above - after posting your fascinating detailed collection of my wounding insults, including that classic "you hit the trifecta, anonymous" - how do YOU, anonymous, define a leftist?sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45712872303256926942012-04-03T21:24:12.940-04:002012-04-03T21:24:12.940-04:00So, Sherrlock, let's review our progress here....So, Sherrlock, let's review our progress here. I take the trouble to supply any number of examples of your foolishness and incivility, exactly as you asked. You in turn reply with 3 long irrelevant posts, making excuses for yourself. And now you're back to old tricks -- the kind of thing which leaves an correspondent disgusted with you, as exactly as charged:<br /> <br />"Or are we in the land of hogwash now?"<br /><br />You'll remember that we began this particular discussion when you remarked that Gail Collins and MSNBC were of "the left", a truly remarkable assertion.<br /><br />And now, because I gave only two examples of "leftists" -- not including the entire possible universe of "leftists" -- I'm somehow or other in the "land of hogwash", according to you.<br /><br />So what I suggest you do, is gear up another the next set of insults, to which somebody else can respond, because I'm through with you, life is too short.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25740135753682256772012-04-03T19:52:30.149-04:002012-04-03T19:52:30.149-04:00Fascinating.
I'd agree with you as to Greenw...Fascinating. <br /><br />I'd agree with you as to Greenwald's superb qualities and, in fact, have repeatedly referred to him as one of my favorite sources. Along with Amy Goodman.<br /><br />Problem is, your statement is just a bit silly. *You* and a handful of others of like-mind have evidently decided that Michael Moore is not a leftist. Neither is Maddow (Joan Walsh of course we agree is hardly a leftist). But like them or not, do you exclude Alex Pareene and David Sirota, also at Salon. Robert Reich? Al Sharpton? Jesse Jackson? Michael Kazin? EJ Dionne? Eric Altermann? Denis Kucinich? Ralph Nader? No lefties here? Do a few of these names pass muster?<br /><br />Let me get this straight.<br /><br />Essentially what you're suggesting is that all those who self-define as leftists are not actual leftists. Please enlighten us, Anonymous. Who IS the true left? What pledge do they have to sign to join? <br /><br />Do YOU know the actual meaning of leftist, aside from your own? <br /><br />If you include only those like Chomsky and Greenwald, yours is truly the smallest of tribes. <br /><br />Really? Even Michael Moore can't apply. WTF?<br /><br />Or are we in the land of hogwash now?sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70403408706916159772012-04-03T19:16:04.539-04:002012-04-03T19:16:04.539-04:00Sherrlock,
You again demonstrate, this time concl...Sherrlock,<br /><br />You again demonstrate, this time conclusively, that you don't know what the left is. In that you're not alone: it's true of the vast majority of Americans, and for a simple reason. With very rare exceptions, the left is not represented in major media.<br /><br />If you're interested, the most visible leftist on the web at this point is Glenn Greenwald, over at Salon.com, and nobody, but nobody, is harder on mainstream media, and Democrats, than Greenwald. But, unlike Bob, Greenwald does original research, concerns himself with actual matters of importance and is truly non-partisan. Like Noam Chomsky, he has no more interest in defending Democrats than Republicans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34376199347231575062012-04-03T19:02:54.244-04:002012-04-03T19:02:54.244-04:00I hear you, anon.
And while I will freely admit ...I hear you, anon. <br /><br />And while I will freely admit to a lack of intimate familiarity with MSNBC, I think I'm pretty aware of those who *are* on the left, and trading in the very distortions that Bob obsesses about.<br /><br />Perhaps you read my exchange with anonymous about Michael Moore. I'm appalled at Moore's handful of exaggerations, sprinkled throughout his work. I'm appalled as "a leftie". As I said, these pointless fabrications provide the right with ammunition. It seems like madness to me - and when I pointed it out, at least one here sprang to Moore's defense, suggesting it was only five minutes of exaggeration, while the rest of the film was the unvarnished truth.<br /><br />Can *you* understand why that might make me furious? As a liberal?<br /><br />Incidentally, I agree with you whole-heartedly about Clinton, Gore, and Obama. At best, moderate conservatives. Obama's assassination of an American citizen without trial is an abomination rivaling any single action of Bush's. I'm thoroughly disgusted.<br /><br />But let's continue:<br /><br />Bill Maher. I don't know exactly where I'd place him, but his remarks echo and amplify many left wing talking points. He never misses an opportunity to slander and play the Dowd game. Mostly in concert with his liberal guests. I'll never forget his ill-preparedness for an interview with the creator of the Swift Boat lies - Maher was tromped on disgracefully.<br /><br />Rachel Maddow - here I agree with Bob. All too often she resorts to the same tactics that characterize the rabid right. As do the Ed Show, the ridiculous Lawrence O'Donnell, and a number of other "leftie" hosts. <br /><br />To put it again simply, where else on the left are these characters critiqued? <br /><br />I've been told here repeatedly that I must learn to use my dormant brain. That I should be detecting bullshit on my own. I don't have that kind of time. So should I just become a believer? <br /><br />(one last note about Gail Collins - whether she's a member of the corporatist media or not, I constantly hear leftie friends chortle about Romney's dog. Regardless of whether you consider her left or not, she's infected the left with her nonsense, which is much the same thing)sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86327993685985993612012-04-03T18:25:02.339-04:002012-04-03T18:25:02.339-04:00Sherrlock,
I think I better understand now what&#...Sherrlock,<br /><br />I think I better understand now what's going on. There should nothing prejudicial to either of us in pointing out that, based on your own admission, you have no idea what "the left" actually is. Consequently, the attacks on Somerby from the left here will make little or no sense to you.<br /><br />We, the Leftie Disgruntled, don't object to media criticism of "liberal" sources (more accurately, "non-Republican" media). What we (or I, anyway) find peculiar is Somerby's classification of corporate media and the New York Times Corp as the "tribe", and his concentration on triviality, at a time when left-wing views are completely absent (indeed, banned) from mainstream media.<br /><br />Also note that Somerby himself has little notion of what the left actually is -- his heroes, after all, are Bill Clinton and Al Gore, who were and are moderate Republicans. Obama is even further to the right -- not even much of a "moderate" Republican, one who was prepared to make social program cuts even Republicans would never have considered until very recently, with the Tea Party emergence.<br /><br />And in this climate, which shuts out left-wing views entirely, all Somerby can think to do is examine the coverage of George Zimmerman's weight by corporate media, as a profound evidence that the tribes all the same and we're all tribal.<br /><br />But corporate media isn't my tribe, and wasting breath on MSBNC and Gail Collins, day after day, can begin to seem a bit perverse -- particularly when the analyst sees only what he cares to see.<br /><br />Dig?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15938301013698243082012-04-03T18:24:06.600-04:002012-04-03T18:24:06.600-04:00PART THREE
"I think the problem with you, Fr...PART THREE<br /><br />"I think the problem with you, Fritz, is that you live in a left-wing echo box."<br /><br />=========<br />"Pathetic."<br /><br />And that pathetic comes after a repeated request for evidence of Obama's shift on gay marriage. And the repeated response: search the internet. Google it. And, Its not my responsibility to educate you, you ignoramus. I'm leaving you now to your ignorance. (I'm paraphrasing, but those were pretty close to the words as written)<br /><br />That ended any possibility of debate. And I found it pathetic. <br /><br />How would you have me respond, anon? Ignore the personal attacks. No can do. Refuse to attack anyone personally myself - Done, or at least attempted. Change my tone so that you can all rage on about your deep disappointment in "the new Bob." Sorry. That's part of this debate.<br /><br />Contrary to what you assert above, I DO NOT question anyone's intelligence, the truth of their political beliefs, or their honesty (unless they tell an outright lie such as "fritz"). <br /><br />When attacked however I will respond vigorously, but without personal animosity. Can you do the same?sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12035859279582934062012-04-03T18:24:06.161-04:002012-04-03T18:24:06.161-04:00One thing I would like to hear from the news. Was ...One thing I would like to hear from the news. Was it legal for Trayvon to kill George, is it possible in Florida for either man in this situation to have killed the other without criminal penalty? If George faces no charges, then clearly Trayvon would have had an equal right to kill George (Trayvon's life was apparently more in danger). Gives new meaning to "shoot first."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7483372103435099712012-04-03T18:19:43.307-04:002012-04-03T18:19:43.307-04:00I may have reached my limit. I cannot post Part Tw...I may have reached my limit. I cannot post Part Two of my response to anonymous. Perhaps like the Real Anonymous, I've been cut off ;-}sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88600825254690269492012-04-03T17:14:31.403-04:002012-04-03T17:14:31.403-04:00PART ONE:
Very well. Point by point. To begin wit...PART ONE: <br />Very well. Point by point. To begin with, I apologize for my lack of charm. I mean to be nothing but charming. <br /><br />Occasionally, I lose my temper. You've seen it demonstrated here mostly when others attempt to end arguments with the claim that I am either ignorant and uninformed, Somerby's manipulated dupe, or a right wing plant, regardless of my protestations otherwise. In other words, ad hominem personal attacks that have nothing to do with the debate.<br /><br />"Is this just your personal bankruptcy of ideas, Anon 2:47, or have others descended to this abysmal [tactic] here as well.<br /><br />I say, nip it in the bud. If you wish to debate, please go ahead with impunity. But this pusillanimous little barb is designed to discredit those you may not agree with and it stinks."<br />===============<br /><br />This was in response to yet another calumny claiming that I must be a right winger. Was I nasty in response? You bet. I think it's a cheap tactic and not worthy in debate. Note I never responded in kind - only to the tactic itself.<br /><br />"In short, if you "liberals" here are so insecure that sharp critiques OF the left BY the left are seen as betrayal, I'm quite sincerely lost for words.<br /><br />Perhaps you should begin by ignoring Bob, whose critiques you've come to detest, and go where you can join the lefty chorus."<br /><br />Sharp tone, I agree. But vitriolic? I'm merely responding to attacks on Somerby which I find unwarranted. You are free to disagree.<br /><br />=========<br /><br />"In short, I'm pretty credulous. Which makes me all the more furious when I'm deceived and manipulated from "the left" (whether it's Collins, MSNBC, or Michael Moore)."<br /><br />EDITOR'S NOTE: the notion that Collins and MSNBC represent the "left" is mindboggling -- that, or the speaker is doing a very bad job concealing his right-wing bona fides.<br /><br />==========<br /><br />This I'll give you. I don't have a television and so my only exposure to MSNBC is through clips on line. Collins I've read in the Times, and here Bob's got it right. Her incessant riffs on Romney's dog provide the meme for everyone from Jon Stewart and Colbert to Bill Maher. I frankly don't know what litmus test she'd have to pass to be considered liberal, but peddling this endless fiction doesn't make her a conservative, does it? On Moore, you've probably read my reasons for unhappiness.sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57409498510720874332012-04-03T17:12:52.307-04:002012-04-03T17:12:52.307-04:00Let's put the percentages 90, 60, and 48 into ...Let's put the percentages 90, 60, and 48 into a pot, mix thoroughly, and what do we come up with? "Scientific certainty."<br /><br />If this was legitimate, every score that test could achieve would have a real-world confidence level of a match, culled from a test base of known matches and mismatches. 100% or 0% confidence on any score would only show that the test base was not big enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61483010130937142102012-04-03T17:05:59.389-04:002012-04-03T17:05:59.389-04:00Huh? These are all things that Sherrlock said, of...Huh? These are all things that Sherrlock said, of other posters here -- and in more than one case, his characterization of the the post in question ("vitriol", etc.) is more than a little questionable. <br /><br />In any case, this is his behavior, when he's opposed here. One wouldn't expect to see much in the way of bad temper, when nobody challenged him. But that's hardly a good taste of temperament. We're all sweet beings when the rest of the world tells us we're right right right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8310300348374829062012-04-03T16:49:02.453-04:002012-04-03T16:49:02.453-04:00Do you realize that you were quoting counter-attac...Do you realize that you were quoting counter-attacks?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7649500315914192162012-04-03T16:19:15.248-04:002012-04-03T16:19:15.248-04:00Sherrlock, it's more a matter of "matter&...Sherrlock, it's more a matter of "matter", than tone, but I picked up these from the last two days:<br />=============<br />"Is this just your personal bankruptcy of ideas, Anon 2:47, or have others descended to this abysmal [tactic] here as well.<br /><br />I say, nip it in the bud. If you wish to debate, please go ahead with impunity. But this pusillanimous little barb is designed to discredit those you may not agree with and it stinks."<br />===============<br /><br />"In short, if you "liberals" here are so insecure that sharp critiques OF the left BY the left are seen as betrayal, I'm quite sincerely lost for words.<br /><br />Perhaps you should begin by ignoring Bob, whose critiques you've come to detest, and go where you can join the lefty chorus."<br /><br />=========<br /><br />"In short, I'm pretty credulous. Which makes me all the more furious when I'm deceived and manipulated from "the left" (whether it's Collins, MSNBC, or Michael Moore)."<br /><br />EDITOR'S NOTE: the notion that Collins and MSNBC represent the "left" is mindboggling -- that, or the speaker is doing a very bad job concealing his right-wing bona fides.<br /><br />==========<br />"I just googled you, Fritz. <br /><br />Like Michael Moore, you are an occasionally liar." <br /><br />===============<br />"You may notice in every one of my posts that I refuse to engage in ad hominem attacks. You, "Fritz" are a liar, even if in jest. And if you continue to attack without attribution, you are also a coward."<br />======<br /><br />By the way, are you the liar "Fritz", still engaged in anonymous drive-by shooting, or is this yet another anonyme."<br /><br />============<br />"For all you anonymi, post away of course. I'm only asking for minimum civility - the kind of civility you would extend if your identity was known. If you find that request objectionable, go to hell."<br /><br />==============<br />"Wow. You hit the trifecta, anonymous.<br /><br />The usual vitriol, accompanied by willful misrepresentation."<br /><br />=============<br /><br />"I think the problem with you, Fritz, is that you live in a left-wing echo box."<br /><br />=========<br />"Pathetic."<br /><br />================================<br /><br />Now, opinions could differ on the gravity of this language, but if one finds the views of the speaker to be less than persuasive, it can be pretty offensive.<br /><br />Again, we're all given to excesses and strong language. But I think it's fair to say that Sherrlock has an inaccurate assessment of his own charms as a debater.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16914382027788701282012-04-03T15:50:18.266-04:002012-04-03T15:50:18.266-04:00I'm really surprised by your response, Anon.
...I'm really surprised by your response, Anon.<br /><br />Please back up your claims. Where have I demonstrated contempt? And where have I shown anything but regard for other posters?<br /><br />On the contrary, I've been nothing but polite to a fault. Virtually every exchange I've had here has culminated in another poster - almost always anonymous - accusing me of ignorance and/or being a right wing plant. A pretty long string of ad hominem attacks. And I can cite a number of occasions when Hieronymous was subject to the same kind of vitriol.<br /><br />And now you suggest I'm a troll?<br /><br />Please show me exactly where I've lowered the tone and I will apologize for each one. Of course, I would expect nothing less of those that have called me ignorant and foolish and/or a right winger to boot. <br /><br />Seriously, if you think I'm here for anything but a civil conversation and real debate about issues I care about deeply, then I apologize in advance. But please show me where I crossed the line.sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73831689433626434122012-04-03T14:30:40.794-04:002012-04-03T14:30:40.794-04:00Sherlock,
There's a lot of truth to what you ...Sherlock,<br /><br />There's a lot of truth to what you say -- it probably *is* time for self-described progressives to give up on this blog. Bob has had his manias -- who else could regret the loss of a Gore presidency, on a daily basis for 12 years and counting? -- but the latest mania is probably the most unattractive one.<br /><br />But if there's a compelling reason to vacant the building, it's posters like you -- the tone you take, the contempt you have for others, and the low intelligence with which you credit others. One can come here with the hope of "getting off" on a spirited debate, but any engagement with you or Swan, or any number of others, leaves the other party disgusted rather than spirited. <br /><br />Of course, we're all guilty to some extent of dismissing our antaongists, but the troll-element here, of which you and a few others are Exhibits As, really is getting pretty distasteful. So you're right: it's best to leave Bob to your small circle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8732958663576081842012-04-03T12:40:42.521-04:002012-04-03T12:40:42.521-04:00Perhaps this is the moment to go meta. Pull back j...Perhaps this is the moment to go meta. Pull back just a bit and explore motivations.<br /><br />I read the DH to check my own biases. As a liberal/progressive who's easily angered by the inequities seemingly inherent and inescapable in the U.S., I find myself, quite ready to scream and shout - having spent a fair amount of my time last fall supporting and participating in Occupy Seattle, those impulses came to the fore quite often.<br /><br />Where I find Somerby immensely helpful, is not in his recounting the sins of the right, which infuriate me and which I know all too well, but the trespasses of the left, which I'm fairly easily hoodwinked by, given my predisposition.<br /><br />In short, I'm pretty credulous. Which makes me all the more furious when I'm deceived and manipulated from "the left" (whether it's Collins, MSNBC, or Michael Moore). Voices that I should be able to trust deceive me and I can't help but feel outrage.<br /><br />Now, I've been reading Bob for years, and just started commenting here recently, but I've been repeatedly amazed at the level of vituperation in the discourse. <br /><br />The fury expressed here when Bob does exactly what he set out to do, regardless of whose feathers are ruffled (and again, I don't need to be reminded of the calumnies and atrocities of the right - I KNOW them all too well), is beyond belief.<br /><br />What's more, the bitterness of the invective, which all too often ends in one of two ways - either questioning the liberal cred/intelligence of your correspondent; or declaring victory and hightailing it - is really quite demoralizing.<br /><br />In short, if you "liberals" here are so insecure that sharp critiques OF the left BY the left are seen as betrayal, I'm quite sincerely lost for words.<br /><br />Perhaps you should begin by ignoring Bob, whose critiques you've come to detest, and go where you can join the lefty chorus.sherrlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08689553678430736101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37242075819409696032012-04-03T09:52:48.592-04:002012-04-03T09:52:48.592-04:00Sherlock and Braintree have it exactly right, libe...Sherlock and Braintree have it exactly right, liberals are intolerant, far more so than conservatives, who only demand that their primary candidates reject science, embrace voodoo economics, repeal all regulations, endorse torture and pledge to start a few more more wars. <br /><br />I should know -- as a liberal and life-long Democrat who believes that we ought to refuse to give medical treatment to anyone who can't pay for it, that Darwin was the anti-christ, and that lower taxes for billionaires means greater happiness for all, I can't get any respect from the liberal community at all. I can't tell you how disappointing and hurtful that is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70512689439933748202012-04-03T09:10:38.864-04:002012-04-03T09:10:38.864-04:00By the way, that's not Owen said. Owen said th...By the way, that's not Owen said. Owen said that 60 percent is the standard. With the clarity of samples he had, he expected a 90 percent match. When the samples didn't even reach 50 percent, he could say with scientific certainty that the voice screaming for help was not Zimmerman.<br /><br />Now let's put Owen on trial, as well as Martin, Martin's family, O'Donnell, Maddow, Schultz, Matthews, Sharpton and everyone else who disagrees with you.<br /><br />And while you are complaining about "race baiting clowns" don't forget the wild-eyed liberal Joe Scarborough who said yesterday that if a 28-year-old black man got out of his truck with a gun and shot a 17-year-old white kid walking down the street, there would be charges.<br /><br />Not arguing whether that hypothetical is true or not, but it would certainly put Scarborough in your "race baiting clown" camp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29497653207443951092012-04-03T09:01:32.185-04:002012-04-03T09:01:32.185-04:00Except "thinking for yourself" is hardly...Except "thinking for yourself" is hardly what you are doing.<br /><br />You are mimicking Somerby's standard line that if a few "liberal" talk show hosts behave like jerks (and even that is arguable), then ALL liberals are behaving like jerks. Which is exactly what you are saying: "our side are (sic) behaving like a bunch of jerks."<br /><br />That's not thinking for yourself. That's letting Somerby do your thinking for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40309808209547752322012-04-03T08:56:06.918-04:002012-04-03T08:56:06.918-04:00And when did Stone (1907-89) say this?And when did Stone (1907-89) say this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26842283813353977592012-04-03T08:52:53.180-04:002012-04-03T08:52:53.180-04:00Amazing how many "voice analysis" expert...Amazing how many "voice analysis" experts there are on the Internet.<br /><br />Once again, had Owen arrived at the conclusion you wanted, he'd be the world's leading expert, and "voice analysis" would be evidence beyond reproach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50927503131483436572012-04-03T08:50:31.343-04:002012-04-03T08:50:31.343-04:00Ummm, David? You curiously failed to mention that ...Ummm, David? You curiously failed to mention that this "outraged" prosecutor is Wolfzinger. Now why would he have any motive at all to try to pull his bee-hind out of the fire?<br /><br />And, of course, against Wolfzinger's story that no "meeting" took place with him, the chief, and the lead investigator, we've got the fact that Zimmerman STILL hasn't been charged. Not then, and not now.<br /><br />And, of course, the fact that Wolfzinger was told to step aside so another prosecutor could be brought in. <br /><br />That's a very, very unusual step to take, David,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67732823380738884552012-04-03T07:56:44.406-04:002012-04-03T07:56:44.406-04:00Dear David, it's hard to know where to start w...Dear David, it's hard to know where to start with such a vacuous post but in honor of your tactic...Brazil and Sweden have general unemployment rates below 6%, let's import there whole economic teams immediately.CousinFromAnotherPlanetnoreply@blogger.com