tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1186132743796701552..comments2024-03-28T11:57:02.219-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Chris Hayes is becoming a showman!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6572394979825625922014-03-24T02:04:19.509-04:002014-03-24T02:04:19.509-04:00Observe that Rachel, within the lead-in in order t...Observe that Rachel, within the lead-in in order to the woman's display this evening, doesn't have amusement prepared round the Obama-care information. 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And stupid.<br /><br />None of this happens "if" -- a whole bunch of pretend scenarios that anyone can make up that are completely meaningless.<br /><br />"Lone ranger." "Punk." All made up bullshit, til.<br /><br />Made up by you. If you're really done, that's super news.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55560292809605682842013-07-03T07:33:17.768-04:002013-07-03T07:33:17.768-04:00"He deserves help and support, not disdain.&q..."He deserves help and support, not disdain."<br /><br />But if he bullshits us? <br /><br />If he's "scripted, dumb, tribal and false?"<br /><br />We should just give that a pass?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78351035504675092822013-07-03T03:31:54.660-04:002013-07-03T03:31:54.660-04:00So, we go from "young mixed martial arts prac...So, we go from "young mixed martial arts practitioner" to some ridiculous post in American Thinker (I suggest you read the whole post to get a full sense of its ridiculousness). I can see you take this very seriously. Maybe. Or maybe not. <br /><br />And no, a punk is someone who goes out looking for trouble armed with a gun. That would be Zimmerman. To reiterate, none of this -- NONE of it -- happens if Zimmerman isn't out playing the lone ranger, sans Tonto. Martin goes home and eats his candy, he doesn't attack Zimmerman, or Zimmerman doesn't attack him, and everyone is still alive. Zimmerman probably wouldn't look like the bloated beast who ate a million bon bons, and life goes on. We'll never know exactly what happened that night, but we do know that much. Which is, in the end, the point. <br /><br />And now, unless you're going to make up more bullshit facts, I'm done with you. tilhttp://til.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84735545634244044652013-07-03T02:57:01.301-04:002013-07-03T02:57:01.301-04:00http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/new_evidenc...http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/new_evidence_shows_trayvons_life_unraveling.html<br /><br />I dont know how reputable the above blog is I got it off. I clicked this article off of Real Clear Politics. This is at least a view into how some of the right wing is viewing the situation. <br />By the way, a punk is a 17 year old kid who follows and attacks a security guard. That is reality. If Trayvon Martin had survived, if Martin had not had a gun, then most likely Martin does jail time for assault, or worse depending on how bad Zimmerman gets hurt. Calling someone a punk because they get beat up is nice old-school macho. <br /><br /> M Carpenternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44464120229554257882013-07-03T01:48:54.567-04:002013-07-03T01:48:54.567-04:00"Maybe" I'll simply stick to the one..."Maybe" I'll simply stick to the one fact you adduce: show me what makes Martin a "young practitioner of mixed martial arts fighting." Where did he get his training. Who else knows about this and, since neither the defense nor anyone else has brought it up, how did you find this out. Or maybe you're just making it up. Maybe. Just maybe.<br /><br />And just maybe a 28 year old man -- the prime of male life -- who allegedly gets his ass beaten by a 17 year old kid he outweighs by 40 pounds is a punk. In fact, there's no maybe about it. tilhttp://til.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74853086111765107402013-07-03T00:50:26.769-04:002013-07-03T00:50:26.769-04:00You are not giving Zimmerman the benefit of the do...You are not giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he has a sincere and honorable reason to provide security. Maybe he has personal experience as a crime victim and decided to do something about it. Some neighborhoods truly need people like George Zimmerman, because the police are inadequate. Do you have a real basis for impugning his motives for keeping a watchout for his neighborhood? I don't know, but I sure don't see how you get to call him a punk because he got beat by a young practitioner of mixed martial arts fighting. Zimmerman is a punk because he can't fight? I don't get it. That first mugshot of Zimmerman made him look like a punk and everyone fell for it. Totally slimy journalism that photo was up against the young boy photo of Trayvon Martin.M Carpenternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52430705556458707002013-07-03T00:44:35.582-04:002013-07-03T00:44:35.582-04:00Truthfully, I think Zimmerman might very well stil...Truthfully, I think Zimmerman might very well still have followed him, albeit a bit more subtly by which I mean a greater distance. Or he might have followed him in his vehicle. I've done security and if you're calling the police on a relatively frequent basis you don't want to get a reputation for being a jerk who keeps sending them on wild goose chases. Also, on the police dispatch recording Zimmerman clearly states that he's lost sight of Martin so I think think the following issue is in all probability bogus. <br /><br />Also, with respect, neither you or anyone I'm aware of has really proven that Zimmerman had a "vigilante complex." Ergo, that's an opinion not a fact. It's also a wee bit of an ad hominem, isn't it? <br /><br />And thank you for calling my previous entry a "fine rant." I am, perhaps stupidly, assuming that that was a genuine compliment and not sarcasm. The chances of it not being sarcasm are vastly increased by the fact that I didn't write it. Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54419039986298473722013-07-03T00:18:41.649-04:002013-07-03T00:18:41.649-04:00Not to get in the way of your fine rant, but the i...Not to get in the way of your fine rant, but the issue with the concealed carry is this: What are the odds that Zimmerman would have been following a scary black man around in the dark, alone, if he DIDN'T have that gun? My guess is pretty low. If you take Zimmerman's story at face value, he's actually something of a punk: a skinny teenage kid beat his ass, and quite handily. Punks like that don't go out looking for trouble unless they are backed up by a gun. So "these twits" have at least one point: no gun, and none of this would have happened. Whatever comes of this trial, guys like Zimmerman, following people around in the dark armed with a gun and a vigilante complex, are dangerous, and if nothing else, the mentality that led to this should be a part of the national discussion. Even if the "twits" will be able to put in their two cents. tilhttp://til.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36284462922701592952013-07-02T23:44:35.737-04:002013-07-02T23:44:35.737-04:00I just took a gander and the CH segment on Zimmerm...I just took a gander and the CH segment on Zimmerman. Holy cripes, what a disaster. It now appears more certain than ever that Zim is telling an overwhelmingly straight story and that he was indeed attacked by TM but they're STILL blaming Zimmerman. They're also pretending to know for certain that Zimmerman continued trailing Martin after he agreed with the police not to. Not only that, they're acting as if this tragedy proves that carrying a concealed weapon is a bad idea when you could very easily make a case claiming the opposite because Zimmerman might have been beaten to death if he had not been able to otherwise defend himself. <br /><br />These twits are even complaining that Zimmerman was following Martin even though, as a neighborhood watch guy, he's SUPPOSED to keep an eye on people who are acting suspiciously. <br /><br />And of course, calling in the police so they can witness you murdering a black kid you just agreed not to follow anymore has got to be the most cunning yet obvious strategy in the entire history of hate crime. (Note to certain fellow liberals: That last remark was intended as sarcasm.)<br /><br />And these bastards think they're so smart! If you want to know why Democrats have a long history of losing elections they should have won you got one of the main ingredients right here. Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61683497664879453352013-07-02T21:02:54.811-04:002013-07-02T21:02:54.811-04:00Note that Rachel, in the lead-in to her show tonig...Note that Rachel, in the lead-in to her show tonight, has no entertainment planned around the Obama-care news. But she has LOTS of other news!!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02359171524001539411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10201624543837397282013-07-02T20:21:14.012-04:002013-07-02T20:21:14.012-04:00Glenn Greenwald is going to be on with Chris Hayes...Glenn Greenwald is going to be on with Chris Hayes, we will find out how Hayes conducts the interview. Greenwald is truly heroic, among the very. very finest of journalists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84371556524123004262013-07-02T19:38:03.164-04:002013-07-02T19:38:03.164-04:00That mindset is a trap which keeps you shackled to...That mindset is a trap which keeps you shackled to a tribal mindset which always benefits corporate interests, whether you're cheering for the red team or the blue team. Pundits will not provide you with an answer; you're going to have to do some critical thinking and probably stop watching TV if you want to figure things out for yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88878149637133718442013-07-02T19:20:21.479-04:002013-07-02T19:20:21.479-04:00can ya say "retarded" any more Matt? Th...can ya say "retarded" any more Matt? They'll be Deening you if your not careful. jonstnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91708056882574172512013-07-02T19:04:51.666-04:002013-07-02T19:04:51.666-04:00In a previous post on this topic Bob said that Hay...In a previous post on this topic Bob said that Hayes had very poor ratings when he tried to bring his "smart" persona to prime time TV. That sounds about right to me -- most liberals, whatever they say to the contrary, are no different at their core than the kind of people who drive around with Rush on their radio, then go home and tune in to Fox: they want raw meat and plenty of it (The problem is, there are just too few of those people to sustain Fox-like ratings). The kind of person who wants "smart" TV doesn't watch much TV, period, so something like what Hayes used to do could work, because you only had to tune in once a week or whatever, and "smart" liberals would do that, plus the investment, and so ratings expectations, for such a show would be much reduced. <br /><br />Ultimately, and Bob seems unable to deal with this, the fault is not in our (TV) stars, but ourselves. People are getting what they want, and what they want is shit. tilhttp://til.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55099219446923692552013-07-02T18:10:06.096-04:002013-07-02T18:10:06.096-04:00Teaching is hard, as Mr. Somerby knows. Chris Haye...Teaching is hard, as Mr. Somerby knows. Chris Hayes is trying to reach his students within the constraints of his particular school/classroom. He's trying to do an elite college-level show (lots of prep needed for those twice weekly 75-minute classes) while teaching in a community college or high school.<br /><br />The entertainment, "showmanship" aspect of teaching, especially when teaching a big lecture course: it's real, and legitimate in the big picture. Each teacher must find her or his own way of being a "showman." One of the best teachers I have ever observed in a lecture situation speaks softly, moves little, just delivers amazingly insightful and smart and well-organized, well-paced deliveries. (He also spends hours chatting with students outside of class.) Other teachers who take that tack can be dull. Dunno. It's hard stuff. Then there are the conventionally "showmen" teachers -- some substantively good, some popular but not respected by their colleagues....<br /><br />Just sayin' that I see Hayes searching seriously hard to find the right balance in the context of his personality/skills and the institution he's working in. He deserves help and support, not disdain. (Maybe just the old mentor in me talking here.) mchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22958444912810715822013-07-02T18:01:32.966-04:002013-07-02T18:01:32.966-04:00Does Chris ride a limo to work these days instead ...Does Chris ride a limo to work these days instead of his old bike? Has he put down a deposit on a Westside apartment, maybe in the same building as Paul Kruger? Pressure.<br /><br />I've never seen the Karen Finney show, but it's kind of my impression these weekend shows serve as kind of a bull pen for the prime time slots. Keep sharp, Chris. Sexy, multiracial Karen wants your job.<br /><br />Speaking of dumbing down the national dialogue, TCM is running old Johnny Carson shows this week, and even that kind of Vaudvillian patter seems more dignified and adult (and funnier) than what we're getting from today's doubleplus earnest cognoscenti. Back then, they didn't have to worry about being entertainer journalists. They could just pick one and get really, really good at it.<br /><br />I've found that hearing George Burns tell a funny story about Groucho is more enjoyable and improving than sitting through a Hayes or Maddow jeremiad on the day's pet issue. <br /><br />There were giants back then, by cracky.Jeeves Stumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716700263908484003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1593178444011916672013-07-02T17:38:47.892-04:002013-07-02T17:38:47.892-04:00There you have it. There you have it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72434790563991445452013-07-02T17:04:11.279-04:002013-07-02T17:04:11.279-04:00I think you're missing the point. The point i...I think you're missing the point. The point isn't being pure and scrupulous--the point is that Hayes apparently feels pressure in his new time slot to be stupid and "entertaining" like Maddow. How that is supposed to help liberals escapes me.<br /><br />Hayes had a great show on the weekends--really intelligent, with a range of opinions in his guests and he was fair to them too, letting them make their points. Of course Bob still complained sometimes--I don't think Bob is always right. In this case, I've only watched bits of the new show, but from what little I've seen Bob is right--it's gone downhill. It's sad.<br /><br />DonaldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45332925620033014132013-07-02T16:57:29.681-04:002013-07-02T16:57:29.681-04:00It's an interesting choice for MSNBC to bring ...It's an interesting choice for MSNBC to bring someone in to be the super-smart guy (Hayes and Maddow were both basically advertised this way) and then demand they churn out low-iq fodder. I guess it's just a credential to give the pap a veneer of credibility.Matt in the Crownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02083162679471045642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31662102940480395062013-07-02T16:55:34.448-04:002013-07-02T16:55:34.448-04:00I miss Up with Chris Hayes on the weekends quite a...I miss Up with Chris Hayes on the weekends quite a bit. :/ He was really quite good and a sympathetic moderator. Such a mistake to leave that timeslot!<br /><br />Steve Kornacki is just not telegenic. He seems to babble endlessly. And it's not as though Chris Hayes is all that either... but by comparison Chris Hayes was way more smart, funny and likable.<br /><br />Comedians like Kathy Griffin, Wanda Sykes, Margaret Cho or Patton Oswalt would be amazing hosts if MSNBC could convince them to do it. They know how to hold their own in a knife-fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46545810367126826702013-07-02T15:26:50.232-04:002013-07-02T15:26:50.232-04:00For what it's worth, Hayes is also dressing di...For what it's worth, Hayes is also dressing differently. Maybe wearing a Very Serious Suit will bring in the eyeballs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59972226470088807232013-07-02T15:16:16.887-04:002013-07-02T15:16:16.887-04:00Bob may be having an epiphany into his own politic...Bob may be having an epiphany into his own politics.<br /><br />I wonder if he is feeling like he is being mugged?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27366025187929826262013-07-02T15:06:04.802-04:002013-07-02T15:06:04.802-04:00I agree.
The fact that a structural critique exis...I agree.<br /><br />The fact that a structural critique exists (a perfectly good one is Chomsky's "propaganda model" Manufacturing Consent) doesn't for a moment imply that factual critique of individual voices is irrelevant.<br /><br />This single article by Somerby gives us little of that, admittedly. However, the essence of this form is by now clear (even, or especially, to the pretending detractors): The slower-witted among us, would do better to think of this post as simply the opening paragraph of Somerby's promised essay on Haye's development ("Later today or tomorrow, we will run through last night’s segments, showing you what we mean").<br /><br />With history as our guide, we fully expect to see just what is meant by calling Hayes' work dumb, tribal and false.<br /><br />Careful students of history that we are, we also fully expect the MSNBC apologists to return as well, telling us that Somerby's analysis is irrelevant, that no one is watching these shows anyway, that we can't fight with one hand behind our backs, that Somerby's just jealous of the TV stars.<br /><br />We expect we will suppress a yawn as so many times before and quietly note that once again, Somerby's not wrong...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com