tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1738649374040843974..comments2024-03-29T03:12:25.623-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Racial separation in Tuscaloosa’s schools!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47732437972051470342016-01-21T09:02:09.849-05:002016-01-21T09:02:09.849-05:00Perhaps YOU NEED TO SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! EVERYTHING...Perhaps YOU NEED TO SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE IN THIS RACIST TOWNRevolutionwillnotbetelevisednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72914016158831190962015-12-19T04:05:22.776-05:002015-12-19T04:05:22.776-05:00Video Jasa Rumah Bangunan Jasa Arsitek Jasa Desain...<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0uddUhmcTNvAZgf3C9zJgQ" rel="nofollow">Video Jasa Rumah Bangunan</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5FglgCKUFo" rel="nofollow">Jasa Arsitek</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs3CZHEqzXs" rel="nofollow">Jasa Desain Interior</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44jS2v0u5o8" rel="nofollow">Jual Paving Block</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfrhM7gayE0" rel="nofollow">Jual Pasir</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZMgeEvt6k" rel="nofollow">Jual Bata</a> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01698424789471163448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50654678666972642912014-05-07T01:53:10.455-04:002014-05-07T01:53:10.455-04:00I agree with the opinion that when schools are bad...I agree with the opinion that when schools are bad both black and white students have problems. Everything depends on the staff. To my mind if the educator love his work he loves everything connected with it so children are a great part of it no matter what is their race and nationality. We know lots of black schools where students show amazing results while in others learners need additional help (here they can get <a href="http://www.helponessay.com/" rel="nofollow">Help On Essay</a> ) I am proud of teachers who travel around the world teaching children from very poor countries moreover they gain a great success.Most Dancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297062787933552352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47694390790537091112014-05-03T13:49:13.158-04:002014-05-03T13:49:13.158-04:00To Anonymous who begins with '"Not AS per...To Anonymous who begins with '"Not AS pernicious," dumbshits.' Huh, well aren't 'we' persnickety? Not disagreeing, but thought you'd enjoy Richard Mitchell, if unaware of his work it's Google ready for links and you, hell everyone ought to read The Underground Grammarian of the great and wonderful educator in English and other stuff, Richard Mitchell. He has 4 books and lives on as they are still relevant today though the man died years ago, but he was into really using words, since those are the only things to hang our thoughts and ideas onto. He goes after jargon, pompous Deans and others, and your beef with 'AS' made me think of him, and yes, I am a fan, intro'd to him on the 70s Tomorrow Show with Tom Snyder, go figure, the highbrow source of the times in the 70s, better than Dick Cavette IMHOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46986137906081410802014-05-02T11:56:01.479-04:002014-05-02T11:56:01.479-04:00Thanks for displaying the lack of intellect commen...Thanks for displaying the lack of intellect commensurate with the level of your insults. Your practice of BOB induced Malalaism has changed our mind.<br /><br />Segregation today is less damaging than it was in 1954.<br />Only a douchebag troll dumbshit would disagree with that.<br /><br />KZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16929413142214373542014-05-01T15:38:32.668-04:002014-05-01T15:38:32.668-04:00Powell, G.J. and Fuller, M. (1970). Self-Concept a...Powell, G.J. and Fuller, M. (1970). Self-Concept and School Desegregation, American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 40, 303.<br /><br />G.J. Powerll (1982). Self-Concept in White and Black Children. In C.B. Willie, B.M. Kramer, and B.S. Brown (eds), Racism and Mental Health. Pittsburgh: University of Pittsburgh.<br /><br />See also:<br /><br />J.L. White and T.A. Parham (1990). The Psychology of Blacks (2nd Ed). Prentice Hall. Especially Chapter 5, Educational Achievement among African Americans.<br /><br />Key issues affecting self concept are not whether the school is desegregated or not but whether parents and teachers participate, whether values of the home are reinforced in the community and school, whether black culture and lifestyles are reflected in the curriculum, and whether achievement is encouraged regardless of social class. Powell found that this was more likely in schools with larger percentages of African American students than in integrated schools where they were a minority.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76033890055623468272014-05-01T15:26:27.124-04:002014-05-01T15:26:27.124-04:00Name a society that is racially heterogeneous wher...Name a society that is racially heterogeneous where it is not important culturally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2954479273588969112014-05-01T10:56:14.337-04:002014-05-01T10:56:14.337-04:00Bob seems to believe that a relentlessly hectoring...Bob seems to believe that a relentlessly hectoring, condescending, and ad hominem style is persuasive. We have no idea where he got that notion. Maybe at Harvard. We can't know. What we *do* know is, the approach leaves one utterly numb and, you're right, incapable of considering even well-reasoned arguments.<br /><br />We don't know where he learned this and how he came to think this is a good approach. Maybe at Harvard. We can't know. That said, we think he'd be much more persuasive if he applied the style of argument that he attributes to Martin, Mandela, and Malala.Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30946736689021992732014-05-01T10:37:20.318-04:002014-05-01T10:37:20.318-04:00Feel free to cite the studies.Feel free to cite the studies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29055513881506763742014-05-01T10:24:14.275-04:002014-05-01T10:24:14.275-04:00OMB (BOB Reaps What He Sows)
When you start an an...OMB (BOB Reaps What He Sows)<br /><br />When you start an analysis of an article by saying in bold" <strong>Nobody cares about this</strong> as BOB did in the previous post on this story about Tuscaloosa, you might be right in ways you do not expect.<br /><br />BOB began his full blown theme that <strong>"liberals don't care"</strong> about the education of disadvantaged children ten years ago. It has taken a toll on his readers. Those who consider themselves liberal in large measure really do care no longer. But it is BOB's meme, not the education of poor or minority children, that they don't care about. <br /><br />You can summarize BOB's problem by minor modification to the key phrase BOB singles out to deplore in Nikole Hannah-Jones's article:<br /><br />"But while stupidity as it is demonstrated today may be different than it was 10 years ago, it is no less pernicious: in the Daily Howler and elsewhere, it involves harping on the negatives of a group in isolation from everything else."<br /><br />Pernicious means damaging. Not pervasive. BOB's meme has become so pervasive it colors his ability to see the validity of any liberal view that does not coincide with his own that it has kept him from articulating that view in a positive or persuasive manner. That has had such a pernicious impact on how he is perceived that if he tried to make a case for what we should do to improve education for disadvantaged kids, nobody would care to read it.<br /><br />"But while segregation as it is practiced today may be different than it was 60 years ago, it is no less pernicious: in Tuscaloosa and elsewhere, it involves the removal and isolation of poor black and Latino students, in particular, from everyone else."<br /><br />That is what Hannah-Jones said, BOB. Don't try to prove the kids aren't as segregated as 1954. Try to prove or disprove what is happening in Tuscaloosa since court ordered desegregation plans<br />were eliminated is not damaging to the educational outcome of the kids you say liberals would rather jump off the Eiffel Tower than talk about.<br /><br />We believe, having reviewed a major series BOB wrote almost a decade ago, BOB may really believe education can succeed when<br />poor kids, regardless of color, are isolated from everyne else. He should try and make that case. Because that isolation is what Hannah-Jones calls pernicious. Not the black-white head count BOB presents in this post.<br /><br />KZ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58340422131795030332014-05-01T02:10:54.611-04:002014-05-01T02:10:54.611-04:00Why is race so important to you?Why is race so important to you?urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16085885786493344212014-04-30T21:31:57.024-04:002014-04-30T21:31:57.024-04:00Do you want a school full of people who have no id...Do you want a school full of people who have no idea what people who have no basis for what to believe about another group? We don't have to speculate. Fidel Castro said he grew up knowing very little Jews and believed some crazy things about them. Now expand that to the entire school system! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83156121596728276292014-04-30T21:21:22.859-04:002014-04-30T21:21:22.859-04:00Because children shouldn't be just pawns in so...Because children shouldn't be just pawns in social engineering experiments?more human than Hugh downsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52890438045561490172014-04-30T20:46:13.817-04:002014-04-30T20:46:13.817-04:00What's right with it?What's right with it?deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50202226801937489482014-04-30T19:48:54.798-04:002014-04-30T19:48:54.798-04:00What's wrong with wanting your kids to have a ...What's wrong with wanting your kids to have a peer group that largely reflects their own racial and ethnic background?More Human Than Hugh Downsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29110102909467852692014-04-30T18:58:23.878-04:002014-04-30T18:58:23.878-04:00There are also some studies showing that black stu...There are also some studies showing that black students in mostly black schools have higher self-esteem, participate more in activities and do better on a variety of measures. It is when schools are bad that black and white students both have problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59067676278829376012014-04-30T17:38:36.249-04:002014-04-30T17:38:36.249-04:00"The bulk of white kids in the city attend Ro..."The bulk of white kids in the city attend Rock Quarry Middle."<br /><br />No, Bob. The bulk of the white kids are also in private schools, just like Hannah-Jones said. When the reach high school age, the tuition goes up and parents with more than one kid are faced with paying tuition in two schools, so many of them go to public high schools.<br /><br />But looking at those middle school numbers, it's hard to see how you could have more segregated schools if you deliberately set out to do that.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53805498497421986082014-04-30T17:06:59.333-04:002014-04-30T17:06:59.333-04:00"Perniciousness" is difficult to pin dow..."Perniciousness" is difficult to pin down. Is a school with 50-50 and 95% of the black students in low-track classes, and with virtually no interaction between white and black students in the lunch room, any less pernicious than separate-but-equal schools? There's an argument that the latter, by giving the appearance of no problem, is more pernicious.urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51116483392221232192014-04-30T16:56:09.406-04:002014-04-30T16:56:09.406-04:00Too bad you didn't care about "this"...Too bad you didn't care about "this" either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88189490559652451652014-04-30T16:47:59.109-04:002014-04-30T16:47:59.109-04:00Nobody cares about you.Nobody cares about you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50828752726960828482014-04-30T15:52:35.348-04:002014-04-30T15:52:35.348-04:00Nobody cares about this.Nobody cares about this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com