tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post1935347359828847912..comments2024-03-28T13:25:36.836-04:00Comments on the daily howler: 23 YEARS LATER: The New York Times’ latest front-page debacle!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16786686561984874332015-08-06T18:23:46.339-04:002015-08-06T18:23:46.339-04:00Cicero, another stunt by Judicial Watch. You don&#...Cicero, another stunt by Judicial Watch. You don't really expect that to turn up anything meaningful, do you?Quaker in a Basementnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40026460905198788552015-08-05T09:22:55.593-04:002015-08-05T09:22:55.593-04:00It did for me as well when I switched browsers. S...It did for me as well when I switched browsers. Sorry for inconveniencing you.<br /><br />Probably nobody was reminded of this bad vote when Biden ran in 2008 because he was not much more of a contender in his second run than he was in his first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54367256100966137362015-08-05T08:15:24.219-04:002015-08-05T08:15:24.219-04:00@cicero
I would think that the decades long hate ...@cicero<br /><br />I would think that the decades long hate campaign against the Clintons differs somewhat from Thomas' problems with his also Black associate Anita Hill. And why go into Thomas' self loathing so clearly revealed in his writings or the irrational hatred he spews like a geyser at everyone, especially members of his own race? Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54391022602220631542015-08-05T05:50:43.400-04:002015-08-05T05:50:43.400-04:00The link http://bit.ly/1IKjpMH works for me.The link http://bit.ly/1IKjpMH works for me.Carohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01372850688572724835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66515842467730327422015-08-05T03:38:42.765-04:002015-08-05T03:38:42.765-04:00Thanks for the partial but on point response.
Dem...Thanks for the partial but on point response.<br /><br />Democrats are people who belong to a political party. Within the Democratic party there's a wing that aligns itself with a preference for social democracy- a form of government that allows its consumer economy to evolve in a regulated free market but redistributes a substantial share of the wealth generated by that economy to provide for the general welfare with transfer payments and to finance a large public sector providing infrastructure and security. This is the type of socialism Sanders aligns with when he designates himself a socialist.<br /><br />A New Deal liberal tends to believe the market economy should be interfered with by an activist government only when there are cyclical market failures, i.e. recessions, chronic market failures, as in the pre-Social Security reality of widespread destitution among the aged, emergencies, e.g. floods, and disasters with lingering effect, like the dust bowl. <br /><br />And, like a social democrat but with a narrower list, a New Deal liberal believes all citizens at all times should have access to essential services- water, for instance, which, by the way, was a particular sentiment shared by the Romans of yore who were ever wary of revolution but otherwise final stage Libertarians with slaves (but I repeat myself). A Great Society liberal is sort of a hybrid between a New Deal liberal and a social democrat.<br /><br />In modern industrial world history there are hardly any examples of functioning socialism, defined as worker control of the means of production. The Soviet Union was state capitalism, not socialism- there was zero worker control (i.e. control by the soviets/worker councils) of the means of production after the October Revolution, that's one of the first things Lenin murderously did away with.<br /><br />I think Chomsky cites the collectives in Spain during the Spanish Civil War as about the only actual example of socialism large scale functioning socialism in modern world history. Without knowing much about them, myself, I would imagine they were inefficient and would not have had whatever success legend assigns them were it not for the emergency facing the Republicans during their war.<br /><br />But getting back to American liberalism vs. leftism, there's a lot to glean from this Richard Grossman passage <a href="https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/richard-grossman-challenging-corporate-law-and-lore-2005/" rel="nofollow">[LINK]:</a><br /><br />[QUOTE] [42:56] What did we have after the <i>populists</i> were crushed, after the 1900s? We have the movement over the next fifteen years or so that is called the Progressive Era. And we learn more about that in school than we learn about the <i>populists.</i> And I think it is very important in the process of thinking how we got here, how we got into this mess <i>[of rule by corporatism].</i><br /><br />The <i>progressives</i> were almost the opposite of the <i>populists</i> in that they basically conceded that the corporation would be the dominant institution of our time and that the best that they could do would be to try to make it a little less bad; that they would try to find the best men that could run it; and try to control 'em around the edges. And so when we got to the New Deal and the Great Depression it is very important to understand it was the <i>progressive</i> agenda that was picked up and not the <i>populist</i> agenda. [END QUOTE]CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48153043277996609142015-08-04T23:54:31.205-04:002015-08-04T23:54:31.205-04:00No. Bob is a spinster and he is usually all wet.No. Bob is a spinster and he is usually all wet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53756479254476078052015-08-04T23:43:33.429-04:002015-08-04T23:43:33.429-04:00@CMike,
What is the difference between a liberal ...@CMike,<br /><br />What is the difference between a liberal and a leftist? DWS was stumped twice by the question what is the difference between a Democrat and a Socialist. <br /><br /> RINO:<br />Christie<br />Pataki<br /><br />Rand is a Libertarian<br /><br />Trump doesn't have any political record other than donating to HRC's 2008 POTUS campaign. cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44786981415992658072015-08-04T23:27:33.118-04:002015-08-04T23:27:33.118-04:00@ 8:56
You might want to confiscate the shovel fr...@ 8:56<br /><br />You might want to confiscate the shovel from HRC, Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills as Federal Judge Sullivan is about to bury them in their self dug trench.<br /><br /><br />"Judge Slams Hillary and Huma, Orders Answers"<br /><br />"Judge Sullivan strikes again, demanding explanation for missing emails from Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills under penalty of perjury"<br /><br /><br />cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56152337136715872072015-08-04T23:20:48.792-04:002015-08-04T23:20:48.792-04:00@ Unknown,
Is that the same style of "witch ...@ Unknown,<br /><br />Is that the same style of "witch hunt" in the 1990's that SCOTUS Thomas was the target of? cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27078068505929359902015-08-04T22:42:24.552-04:002015-08-04T22:42:24.552-04:00So, cicero is not aware of the 1990s + witch hunt ...So, cicero is not aware of the 1990s + witch hunt against the Clintons or that changing a story because it has been shown to be wrong is quite different from cravenly caving to change a story in fear of an overwhelmingly powerful force. And do note the post hoc ergo propter hoc in his above ignorant comment.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516065349693480312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19333613158390823962015-08-04T21:17:18.716-04:002015-08-04T21:17:18.716-04:00Cicero,
So you're not going to answer my ques...Cicero,<br /><br />So you're not going to answer my question. (And by the way, I did not identify myself as a liberal <i>Howler,</i> I'm a leftist).CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23014259011490337222015-08-04T20:57:36.225-04:002015-08-04T20:57:36.225-04:00@ 8:39
nary a pulse@ 8:39<br /><br />nary a pulseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31328835952333722152015-08-04T20:56:38.634-04:002015-08-04T20:56:38.634-04:00@ 8:42 - keep digging, you're only ankle deep....@ 8:42 - keep digging, you're only ankle deep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60249666968490987402015-08-04T20:54:50.325-04:002015-08-04T20:54:50.325-04:00@CMike,
Thank you for self identifying yourself a...@CMike,<br /><br />Thank you for self identifying yourself as one of the liberal Howlers who is incredulous as to Obama's liberal credentials. <br /><br />Senator Obama:<br /><br />"In 2005, Obama scored 82.5, meaning that his voting record on a select number of economic, foreign policy and social issue votes was more liberal than roughly four in five Senators. That made him the 16th most liberal Senator in the chamber; Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy -- 96.7 score -- was the most liberal. In 2006, Obama's composite liberal score moved up to 86, good for 10th highest in the chamber. In 2007, as he spent more and more time running for president, he scored 95.5 -- making him the single most liberal-voting Senator that year."<br /><br />As POTUS:<br /><br />"To see just how far the Democratic Party has moved to the left, compare Barack Obama with Bill Clinton. In 1992, Mr. Clinton ran as a centrist New Democrat. In several respects he governed as one as well. He endorsed a sentencing policy of “three strikes and you’re out,” and he proposed adding 100,000 police officers to the streets.<br />In contrast, President Obama’s former attorney general, Eric H. Holder Jr., criticized what he called “widespread incarceration” and championed the first decrease in the federal prison population in more than three decades. Mr. Obama, meanwhile, has chosen to focus on police abuses.<br />One of the crowning legislative achievements under Mr. Clinton was welfare reform. Mr. Obama, on the other hand, loosened welfare-to-work requirements. Mr. Obama is more liberal than Mr. Clinton was on gay rights, religious liberties, abortion rights, drug legalization and climate change. He has focused far more attention on income inequality than did Mr. Clinton, who stressed opportunity and mobility. While Mr. Clinton ended one entitlement program (Aid to Families With Dependent Children), Mr. Obama is responsible for creating the Affordable Care Act, the largest new entitlement since the Great Society. He is the first president to essentially nationalize health care."<br />cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69868994266078786772015-08-04T20:53:23.037-04:002015-08-04T20:53:23.037-04:00@8:02 - depends on whether you're a man or wom...@8:02 - depends on whether you're a man or woman in Ohio.<br /><br />MJ, Allie Gross, July 27 2015:<br /><br />Since Kasich entered office in 2011, he has enacted 16 anti-abortion measures. Some directly restrict abortion access, such as the 20-week late-term ban that he signed six months after entering office. Others limit the work of abortion providers. For example, in 2013 he signed the state's budget bill, which included one provision that prohibits state-funded rape crisis counselors from referring women to abortion services and another that stripped Planned Parenthood of an estimated $1.4 million in federal family-planning dollars. The measures have had drastic consequences for access to abortion and medical care for Ohio women: During Kasich's time in office, the number of abortion providers in the state has dropped from 16 to eight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17209921426728919042015-08-04T20:53:06.711-04:002015-08-04T20:53:06.711-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66157808518229096782015-08-04T20:42:29.658-04:002015-08-04T20:42:29.658-04:00@ 7:30
It is the timing of the video release, not...@ 7:30<br /><br />It is the timing of the video release, not the making of it ,that isn't coincidental to Biden's bid.cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5854353148944516162015-08-04T20:39:56.535-04:002015-08-04T20:39:56.535-04:00@ 7:28
As a former FLOTUS, U.S. Senator, Secretar...@ 7:28<br /><br />As a former FLOTUS, U.S. Senator, Secretary of State, and one of three heads of the Clinton Foundation, HRC has enormous influence and does indeed wield it.<br />HRC is constantly whining about being the victim of some conspiracy and hides behind her gender for self-aggrandizement. <br /><br />What journalistic ethic did FNC violate in repeating what The NYT journalists stated? cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472612909567425204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82384410467582153802015-08-04T20:02:49.834-04:002015-08-04T20:02:49.834-04:007:39 PM, I'd agree big time but [LINK].7:39 PM, I'd agree big time but <a href="http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/republicans-unhappy-kasich-called-them-monsters.html" rel="nofollow">[LINK].</a>CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80929548399461866192015-08-04T19:57:52.589-04:002015-08-04T19:57:52.589-04:00@ 6:43
barely breathing out of both sides of his/...@ 6:43<br /><br />barely breathing out of both sides of his/her/its mouthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85978928418368830612015-08-04T19:55:27.232-04:002015-08-04T19:55:27.232-04:00@ 5:02
floating face down in the tub.@ 5:02<br /><br />floating face down in the tub.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25732377924081268062015-08-04T19:53:57.933-04:002015-08-04T19:53:57.933-04:00And lying, but that's how the haters roll.And lying, but that's how the haters roll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16944663922334457762015-08-04T19:50:35.216-04:002015-08-04T19:50:35.216-04:00CMike
performs CPR on cicero, much to the chagrin...CMike<br /><br />performs CPR on cicero, much to the chagrin of sentient beings everywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41325359789468353252015-08-04T19:40:27.516-04:002015-08-04T19:40:27.516-04:00You have to be female to be a spinster and to have...You have to be female to be a spinster and to have a wet spot. Therapists come in all genders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25801377412997314802015-08-04T19:39:16.391-04:002015-08-04T19:39:16.391-04:00CMike, I think Kasich is conservative.CMike, I think Kasich is conservative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com