tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post2072060011062984677..comments2024-03-28T19:41:49.974-04:00Comments on the daily howler: SEGREGATE THIS: Which schools count as "segregated?"<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54154368636266277902018-01-17T15:58:30.910-05:002018-01-17T15:58:30.910-05:00David, you need to read some of the literature abo...David, you need to read some of the literature about the impact of considering Asians a "model minority" on Asian immigrant and Asian-American kids. It is a form of stereotyping with negative consequences, just like the stereotypes about low expectations for black and Hispanic kids. You are being unabashedly racist every time you refer to this debunked idea that Asians are exempt from the problems of other minorities because their kids do better than average. In fact, this last week there was an article in the LA Times about the glass ceiling for Asians in Silicon Valley. You can probably still find it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68040138755909546422018-01-17T15:53:20.887-05:002018-01-17T15:53:20.887-05:00David, there are quite a few Asian people on the E...David, there are quite a few Asian people on the East and West coasts of the US, but not many across the vast middle between the two coasts. Asians are frequently omitted because they are too infrequent to be identified as a separate group.<br /><br />Asian students in Cupertino should not be permitted to exclude white or any other students, since they will work alongside many diverse groups once they graduate and look for a job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21611543840591767262018-01-17T15:29:05.112-05:002018-01-17T15:29:05.112-05:00Nope. Many small communities only have one school....Nope. Many small communities only have one school. In my medium sized community (60,000 people), there is no inner city, and no segregation based on "socioeconomic class." There's only one private school, and it's Catholic. So poor kids and rich kids are quite contentedly going to the same schools here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32785393436915982612018-01-17T15:23:31.471-05:002018-01-17T15:23:31.471-05:00The underlying UCLA study does have statistics on ...The underlying UCLA study does have statistics on Asians. Of course, the main focus of the report is the effect of the Brown decision on schools, which was primarily a black/white issue. Report here:<br />https://www.civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/research/k-12-education/integration-and-diversity/brown-at-60-great-progress-a-long-retreat-and-an-uncertain-future/Brown-at-60-051814.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56827190197268990452018-01-17T14:40:16.271-05:002018-01-17T14:40:16.271-05:00Could it be that the problems of the 48,000 Detroi...Could it be that the problems of the 48,000 Detroit students are in some way related to the "resegregation" of schools? Somerby thinks liberals should care about the first issue (but don't), but thinking about the latter issue is somehow misguided, because Somerby visited a really miraculous unsegregated school. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85774817288264842342018-01-17T13:34:47.526-05:002018-01-17T13:34:47.526-05:00"Unfair" should be "fair" abov..."Unfair" should be "fair" above: Somerby is being unfair to Chang. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54429616244501541982018-01-17T13:30:47.040-05:002018-01-17T13:30:47.040-05:00"According to Chang, all three schools fit un..."According to Chang, all three schools fit under the rubric of "resegregation." All three schools are "segregated." We're asked to be shocked and concerned that schools like this exist. "<br /><br />No, Somerby is not only not being unfair to Chang, he is also not correct in his characterization. Chang isn't telling us to be shocked and concerned about those schools Somerby postulates. Chang is publishing a graph from the report which underlies his Vox article (from the UCLA Civil Rights project). This graph measures a particular statistic, % of black students in majority white schools. This is one of a multitude of statistics in the UCLA report, and shows the general trend in Southern schools. It does NOT purport to make a value judgment about Somerby's notional schools. That is the kind of criticism that is so infuriating from Somerby: just like when Professor Miles talking about dead black slaves means she doesn't care about 48,000 living black students, so a particular statistic which shows something must imply a denigration of something else, or focusing on a particular school issue means a put-down or lack of concern about another. <br /><br />There is a direct correlation with social trends: white flight from inner cities to suburbs began in earnest right after Brown, thus ultimately counteracting the intent of Brown. And those whites, like the ones in my home town of Little Rock, AR, were fleeing because they didn't want their kids going to school with blacks...period. <br /><br />The UCLA study (https://www.civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/research/k-12-education/integration-and-diversity/brown-at-60-great-progress-a-long-retreat-and-an-uncertain-future/Brown-at-60-051814.pdf) is trying to measure the effects of the Brown decision. It also looks at poverty and contains a wealth of information. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74454081339536699802018-01-17T12:07:53.976-05:002018-01-17T12:07:53.976-05:00I guess unlike Congressional districts school dist...I guess unlike Congressional districts school districts must be gerrymandered to achieve racial equality. Luckily the three towns in my county each have their own high-school. One elementary school is predominantly black but everyone agrees that at that age a neighborhood school is better for the children rather than buss 85% of the children to other schools ten miles away(the county is 15% black) jdmethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09412144350038186889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89521094440587795822018-01-17T11:33:43.232-05:002018-01-17T11:33:43.232-05:00Students in Cupertino, CA are mostly Asian. E.g.,...Students in Cupertino, CA are mostly Asian. E.g., Cupertino High is 65% Asian. That would classify it as <i>segregated</i> according to Mr. Chang. But, students there don't feel that their education is inherently inferior. On the contrary, some of them would like to eliminate the white students.<br /><br />Here's my point. When your list of 'minority groups' includes Hispanics but not Asians, you're not really looking at historically discriminated people. You're really looking for victims. That's a game that will never end. In any endeavor, some subgroups will always be under-represented and others will be over-represented. <br /><br />For those who do think racial imbalance is automatically unacceptable, the only "solution" would be exact quotas by race. This is sad this situation San Francisco more or less finds itself in.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71165839682556007202018-01-17T11:29:11.408-05:002018-01-17T11:29:11.408-05:00American schools have always been and will always ...American schools have always been and will always be (in the foreseeable future) 100% segregated by category of <i>socioeconomic class</i>. <br /><br />Which is the only meaningful category. <br /><br />And, of course, as far as rich liberal 'thought leaders'/'opinion makers' are concerned - that's just fine, perfectly normal. Nothing to see here... move along... Hey! Look Over There!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30589109722343284602018-01-17T11:05:53.000-05:002018-01-17T11:05:53.000-05:00It's ironic that in looking at various minorit...It's ironic that in looking at various minority races, Mr. Chang fails to include <i>Asian</i>.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.com