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Call the devil by name and he appear...<i>Cue deadrat</i>…<br /><br />Call the devil by name and he appears behind you.<br /><br />…<i>to tell us … that this is a media criticism blog, not an education blog.</i><br /><br />Although why you need me to tell you this is a mystery.<br /><br />TDH quoting Goldstein:<br /><br />[In the most recent PISA test] <i>about half of the questions were devoted to reading,…. Students were asked to determine when written evidence supported a particular claim and to distinguish between fact and opinion,….</i><br /><br />Here’s TDH’s claim: the gloom-and-doom reporting about the US educational system is unwarranted and misleading. Let’s see how you would have done on the test.<br /><br /><i>“stagnant scores are a legitimate concern.”</i> Sorry, lost point. The claim under consideration is about how the US compares to other countries, not the trend in US scores, which obviously involves comparing current US scores to previous US scores.<br /><br /><i>”Somerby never wants to discuss actual education issues.”</i> I assume “education issues” means things like teaching strategies and curriculum design. While this is true, it’s irrelevant. The topic is the success (or lack thereof) of our current system. Another lost point.<br /><br /><i>”Math matters and is important as the language of science.”</i> Nowhere does TDH argue that math is unimportant. He’s talking about the measurement of math proficiency, saying that US students do better on “conventional” standardized tests than they do on “unusual” tests like Pisa. One point off.<br /><br />You lose an additional point for your clueless writing. What you’ve said is that math is equally important as the language of science. What you really mean is “As the language of science, math is important” That is, math <i>is</i> the language of science, which makes it important.<br /><br /><i>”Somerby and others need to stop scapegoating minority kids and using them to explain away lack of improvement….</i><br /><br />One demerit for failure to correctly discern opinion: TDH isn’t “scapegoating” minority kids. His talk about our “brutal” racial history means that it is our society that has failed the kids, not the other way around. And one demerit for failure to discern fact: the racial gaps TDH talks about are responsible mathematically for lower average scores.<br /><br /><i>”The insistence that these other nations have no minorities is ridiculous given the large numbers of refugees that countries like Germany have taken in….</i><br /><br />Two points off. One for claiming that TDH has said that other countries haven’t taken in refugees. He said that Finland, which outscores us, is demographically uniform. One lost point for not realizing that Germany, like us, is struggling with immigration and American kids still outscore German kids on average.<br /><br /><i>”Many countries, including the UK are more of a melting pot these days than we are.</i><br /><br />I really should take off more than one point for your not being able to tell the difference between fact and (your own) opinion. Here are the latest census figures for the UK and the US:<br /><br />UK (2011)<br />white 87.2%<br />black 3.0%<br />Asian 4.2%<br />mixed 2%<br />other 3.7%<br /><br />US (2010)<br />white 72.4%<br />black 12.6%<br />Asian 4.8%<br />mixed 2.9%<br />other, including native americans 7.3%<br /><br />(Hispanics may be of any race and aren’t included in the table above. They make up 16.3% of the population.)<br /><br />The figures are a decade old, but the UK population grew about 7% between 2010 and now, so they couldn’t have overtaken us as a melting pot no matter how you distributed the newcomers)<br /><br /><i>”We are lagging behind 7 other countries. … Why does Somerby think 8th is good?”</i><br /><br />No evidence in the blog entry that he does. The claim, again, is that it’s wrong to paint a mournful picture of our failure. Minus one.<br /><br /><i>”Somerby never wants to discuss how we might better educate our minority kids.”</i><br /><br />Not germane to the topic. Minus one again.<br /><br />At this point, you’re failing the course. I suggest you see the dean’s office to drop the class.deadrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828198094140822987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56994487365192247412019-12-11T14:00:48.728-05:002019-12-11T14:00:48.728-05:00Ah, but Somerby will always have Bill Barr:
“For o...Ah, but Somerby will always have Bill Barr:<br />“For ourselves, we'd like to see William Barr go ahead and do his freaking report. We're curious about the Maltese professor too; we're curious to see if Barr, or if U.S. attorney John Durham, can actually come up with any information about him.”<br />(http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2019/10/johnson-doesnt-trust-fbi-or-cia.html)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55278149730391867552019-12-11T13:46:02.639-05:002019-12-11T13:46:02.639-05:00The IG report shows Somerby was wrong on the Russi...The IG report shows Somerby was wrong on the Russia investigation, thus the pivot to education. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36023469705329303632019-12-11T13:32:49.488-05:002019-12-11T13:32:49.488-05:00Yesterday the House voted released articles of imp...Yesterday the House voted released articles of impeachment against the president but Somerby is complaining about a headline on an education article about test scores.<br /><br />Nothing to see here folks, these are not the droids you are seeking. Trump loves it when he can distract from bad news and Somerby is helping him do that today by utterly and totally ignoring the only thing that is important to liberals -- getting rid of Trump.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55895410035066694882019-12-11T13:10:49.229-05:002019-12-11T13:10:49.229-05:00“In our view, U.S. teens did amazingly well, in th...“In our view, U.S. teens did amazingly well, in the aggregate, in reading and science on the 2018 Pisa.”<br /><br />Perhaps this is the story or the headline Somerby would have preferred. But that is doubtful, because he probably would have chastised such a story/headline for ignoring the serious problem of racial achievement gaps as shown by the NAEP test. <br /><br />Somerby does have a point, it seems to me. Betsy DeVos immediately issued dire warnings because of the PISA results, and she wants more “conservative” reforms as a result. To the extent that the media simply hypes the negative aspects of the results, they could be faulted for playing into the hands of ideological “reformers” like DeVos. <br /><br />On the other hand, it isn’t clear that a news report ought to express either “the results are dire” or Somerby’s “the results are amazing.” <br /><br />Somerby himself is guilty of negativity about test scores, when he in the past frequently pointed out the direness and the punishing size of the racial achievement gaps in the NAEP, even as he simultaneously noted the overall rise in average NAEP scores (at least until 2000). <br /><br />There is some sense in which this constant harping on test scores inevitably leads to calls for action, whether the test results are being reported by the New York Times or Bob Somerby. But as long as the reporting is factual, it is up to us and our politicians to decide what to do in light of standardized test results. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31389965967289192362019-12-11T12:23:11.447-05:002019-12-11T12:23:11.447-05:00In that case, it's the population of ~800K peo...In that case, it's the population of ~800K people. With a relatively low birth rate, so not too many school children. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65105795950321733562019-12-11T12:06:58.679-05:002019-12-11T12:06:58.679-05:00Non-native speakers or "language learners&quo...Non-native speakers or "language learners" are typically excluded from these kinds of tests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27366971302332035872019-12-11T12:05:56.530-05:002019-12-11T12:05:56.530-05:00Somerby has a point about the mismatch between the...Somerby has a point about the mismatch between the headline and the data in this report, but he also ignores the fact that current scores for US children were unchanged from the last test. Stagnant. That is consistent with scores on other tests including NAEP and SAT/ACT. Those reports also say that the US improvement in ranking is largely due to decreases in scores by other nations, not due to a change in US scores.<br /><br />When there are numerous active efforts to improve American education, stagnant scores are a legitimate concern. I believe these result from the wrong-headedness of Trump's Dept of Education and of the support for charter schools, which at best emulate public school performance and at worst cheat children and their parents out of an education.<br /><br />Somerby never wants to discuss actual education issues. Cue deadrat to tell us that he can talk about whatever he wants and that this is a media criticism blog, not an education blog. But why bring up a nitpick about the phrasing of a headline unless it refers to something meaningful that we should be discussing?<br /><br />1. We should change math education to introduce algebra sooner and help children learn to reason with quantitative information. Math matters and is important as the language of science.<br /><br />2. We should be demanding that reforms be evaluated for effectiveness using standardized tests. <br /><br />3. Somerby and others need to stop scapegoating minority kids and using them to explain away lack of improvement on such measures. The insistence that these other nations have no minorities is ridiculous given the large numbers of refugees that countries like Germany have taken in, and the recent US refusal to accept even legal immigrants. Many countries, including the UK are more of a melting pot these days than we are.<br /><br />4. There is no reason why Somerby and Drum give ourselves a pass for failing to measure up to Asian countries in math. We have a math problem and we should be facing it and addressing it in our schools.<br /><br />We are lagging behind 7 other countries. Whether that is a concern or not is a different question than whether we are number 1 or number 8 among nations. Coming in 8th in a presidential primary means you lost. Why does Somerby think 8th is good? Our scores are a gentleman's C and Somerby seems OK with that (because other European nations were right there with us), but why does he accept mediocrity? Because our black kids are weighing us down and that is the legacy of our destructive racial history? Seems to me that excuse is getting old. Somerby never wants to discuss how we might better educate our minority kids (if they are actually the problem, outnumbered as they are by mediocre white kids). <br /><br />And Somerby never mentions our history of American exceptionality, our belief that we should be 1st in everything in the world, and especially ahead of shithole countries like Macau. We are "lagging" if the standard is that we should be 1st always, in all things, or Trump has let us down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18180097975040696742019-12-11T12:02:35.403-05:002019-12-11T12:02:35.403-05:00Meh. Something's fishy about Estonia. Did they...Meh. Something's fishy about Estonia. Did they give them that reading test in Estonian? I'm guessing there's a large minority there (30% or so) who don't read or speak Estonian. Not very well, anyway. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com