tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post2270101455128286652..comments2024-03-28T18:39:34.211-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Why do people believe the "big lie?"<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55412437086475092422022-07-29T03:24:19.702-04:002022-07-29T03:24:19.702-04:00“Why do people believe the ‘big lie’? Because peop...“Why do people believe the ‘big lie’? Because people don’t trust the media.”Tel Uhttps://telkomuniversity.ac.id/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28458010007499655792022-07-28T16:51:05.314-04:002022-07-28T16:51:05.314-04:00You can check the comment section on this blog too...You can check the comment section on this blog too<br />. People tend to assume Bob is a Republican because he doesn't follow the party and media dogma. That's what I just said. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28578505221904297282022-07-28T13:19:47.143-04:002022-07-28T13:19:47.143-04:00Mai, you've concocted a rationale for what you...Mai, you've concocted a rationale for what you want to believe, the 51 intelligence officials, the passage from some Time magazine article, the "clownish" impeachment hearings - but Mao, you come at this from the perspective of an obsessed wing nut. You are a shameless apologist advancing a wild conspiracy theory. Can you name one person who helped carry out this "stolen" election, with something that resembles actual objective truth?AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79733755987875037432022-07-28T10:28:37.923-04:002022-07-28T10:28:37.923-04:00Attending college is no longer education. It'...Attending college is no longer education. It's indoctrination by the mentally deranged who fear the wrath of the even more mentally deranged woke students who threaten to have them fired for woke apostasy. The left is eliminating objective standards that truly determine merit, such as the LSAT, GRE, and SAT because too many on the left do not have the aptitude to attain sufficient scores. Affirmative Action was one way around this problem, but more cheating is needed because the left is getting even dumber. <br /><br />You must be ancient. Most positions in government, media, and academia immediately signal "too dumb for positions requiring intelligence or knowledge" or "insane." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80059358335432104682022-07-28T09:09:18.985-04:002022-07-28T09:09:18.985-04:00Sadly, though it once appeared otherwise, Bob is p...Sadly, though it once appeared otherwise, Bob is part of that broken discourse. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86287643721770237892022-07-28T08:42:36.735-04:002022-07-28T08:42:36.735-04:00There is no lack of coverage on inflation on MSNBC...There is no lack of coverage on inflation on MSNBC, as Bob well knows. He attempts to play his readers for suckers here…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35667882732098373772022-07-28T03:57:11.348-04:002022-07-28T03:57:11.348-04:00The real movement for media criticism started on t...The real movement for media criticism started on the left, with people threatening to attack Noam Chomsky as he talked about Vietnam, imperialism, elite persuasion control etc.<br /><br />The media called him insane and they do this to everyone who follows his example. <br /><br />Recently, this style of analysis was hijacked by the conservatives and they do a parody of it. <br /><br />People who call themselves conservative, when you ask them do you like tech billionaires and Monsanto they'll tell you they can't trust those far left radicals.<br /><br />Bob makes a good point that we have a broken discourse. It's not an accident. It's controlled opposition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2397538633621292382022-07-28T02:17:27.866-04:002022-07-28T02:17:27.866-04:00Hello and a greeting to every body.
I have it her...Hello and a greeting to every body.<br /><br />I have it here a warning posting. <br /><br />Do not you eat of it the Punjab Cricket. If eat of it the Punjab Cricket then you will have it the bad smell gas.<br /><br />At one time Lady Friend Smupa eat of it the Punjab Cricket. She then have it a bad smell gas from the bottom for 3.5 days. <br /><br />For this time she not want a good time with me. <br /><br />Not good my friend. <br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />BhopalBhopalhttps://fanny.com/#/newsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42156218579560640762022-07-27T19:07:38.606-04:002022-07-27T19:07:38.606-04:00How many regular Fox News viewers ever watch anyth...How many regular Fox News viewers ever watch anything but Fox News? How would they get a view of MSNBC or the New York Times that hasn’t been filtered through the lens of Fox News commentators?mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72406978020910918532022-07-27T18:47:20.175-04:002022-07-27T18:47:20.175-04:00“They were discussing inflation and the pain the c...“They were discussing inflation and the pain the current inflation is causing regular people.”<br /><br />So was “Blue Tribe” the New York Times, when they ran that story about Ellie Alvarado. mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16772858285501483262022-07-27T18:37:29.719-04:002022-07-27T18:37:29.719-04:00The Big Lie is of an election that was fraudulent ...The Big Lie is of an election that was fraudulent or stolen. None of the items enumerated by Monsieur Mao qualify as either.Spocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25541183541040549702022-07-27T18:33:51.386-04:002022-07-27T18:33:51.386-04:00“Why do people believe the ‘big lie’? Because Amer...“Why do people believe the ‘big lie’? Because Americans don’t trust the media.”<br /><br />Oddly, non-Republican Americans don’t believe the “big lie.” And they certainly don’t trust Fox News. <br /><br />So what exactly is Thiessen saying?mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77041161742830070982022-07-27T18:31:03.351-04:002022-07-27T18:31:03.351-04:00“We briefly flipped to the Fox News Channel. They ...“We briefly flipped to the Fox News Channel. They were discussing inflation and the pain the current inflation is causing regular people.”<br /><br />How was it being discussed? <br /><br />I think I know the answer, but was Somerby’s brief stay long enough to get a sense of the accuracy and the honesty of the discussion?mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58138175372407310622022-07-27T18:19:38.569-04:002022-07-27T18:19:38.569-04:00Typo: 2021Typo: 2021mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76493860091983871412022-07-27T18:15:52.967-04:002022-07-27T18:15:52.967-04:00“Why do people believe the ‘big lie’? Because Amer...“Why do people believe the ‘big lie’? Because Americans don’t trust the media.”<br /><br />That strikes me as a cop out. Thiessen is a member of the party that used to call itself the “party of personal responsibility.”<br /><br />Republican Raffensperger in Georgia made Trump’s strong-arming of him public in 2020, prior to Jan 6. Raffensperger certified the election results there. <br /><br />Republican Rusty Bowers, Arizona House Speaker, testified to the Jan 6 committee about being pressured to decertify the election results there, but he refused. He knew the results were correct in AZ. <br /><br />These are the facts, attested to by conservative Republicans, echoed by Liz Cheney and a handful of others. <br /><br />You’d think that right wing media and politicians would want their followers to know these truths, rather than feeding them lies and misinformation, but they would rather exploit the gullibility of their marks. <br /><br />You can believe all you want that group x is untrustworthy or doesn’t care about your problems, but it doesn’t follow that you believe patently false things because of this. mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12578696247417865662022-07-27T18:14:19.867-04:002022-07-27T18:14:19.867-04:00At 4:37, you are an idiot but I will explain it to...At 4:37, you are an idiot but I will explain it to you. Bob’s version of “hang the rich” is part of a lazy generalization, as I said. He wants to hang the blue rich, not, say , Fox’s “The Five” were not overpaid rich elites. Fox’s preening idiots are the best paid in the business, few suggest their crappola should ever be tested in any debate format. The stupider you are the easier it is buy a bill of goods about “globalists”, those darker skinned people from other countries. Yeah, it must be tough to repeat that bullshit over and over and have to listen to it yourself. Broad strokes, the fools who couldn’t accept the truth about the Vietnam War and Watergate eventually got tired of <br />losing arguments and, when it was presented to them, started listening to<br />what they wanted to hear 24/7. The <br />Belief in Trump’s nonsense was pure <br />vanity and childish ego. But they were always conditioned for it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77567606413504158412022-07-27T17:56:09.068-04:002022-07-27T17:56:09.068-04:00Everyone’s favorite Uber douche Mao does illustrat...Everyone’s favorite Uber douche Mao does illustrate why there is not much to Bob’s post or the discussed Column. It’s not just a problem of the right, the big lie is simply the culmination of a culture too soft and childish to listen to bad news, or confront the results of being willfully misled. Bob has often screwed up and gotten stuff wrong on his blog. When this happens he just stops talking about the story, he never comes forward with a correction. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47613190644326654352022-07-27T17:02:33.232-04:002022-07-27T17:02:33.232-04:00Hang the globalists, more like.
Global finance, ...Hang the globalists, more like. <br /><br />Global finance, that makes money by offshoring and importing, chasing the lowest labor costs all over the globe, facilitating and exploiting mass-migrations, playing currencies by creating crises, and so on. <br /><br />In other words, Soros&Co.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79546835348379259742022-07-27T16:59:12.315-04:002022-07-27T16:59:12.315-04:00The people you see on TV are there because they ca...The people you see on TV are there because they care about informing the public about the world we all live in. They went to college to learn to do that job well. Somerby wants to paint a college degree as some sort of status symbol but it represents hard work to prepare themselves for their jobs. Most journalists do not earn high salaries. The ones who do are like the superstar musicians or athletes and they have worked their way up to such positions. When Somerby pretends they have unearned status, he is not only being envious, but he is ignoring their expertise -- as he does with Einstein, Godel, and anyone else who knows things he doesn't. This is a campaign he has been on for a while now, trying to undermine Maddow and others as reliable sources of information.<br /><br />So, Somerby has not offered any real or valid criticism of the mainstream media, beyond "hang those from elite college" and "Maddow stuffs loot in her pants" and his trivial criticisms have not shown these cable news workers to be unskilled or unequal to their positions. <br /><br />@4:37, you aren't needed here. You don't seem to know much about Somerby and when you reduce the complaint about Somerby to "hang the rich," that is an unfair simplification. Somerby doesn't care about the rich or the poor, except as a stick to beat the media with. He never said there were too few episodes on TV about Ellie Alvarado, until the media starting calling for Trump's head on a stick. If you think this is about the rich for anyone, you are not paying attention, and that means you are wasting people's time and perhaps should read more and type less until you get the picture here.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66707003445402388092022-07-27T16:51:22.246-04:002022-07-27T16:51:22.246-04:00The main elitism that conservatives dislike on the...The main elitism that conservatives dislike on the left is the meritocracy of intelligence. Those on the left value education more highly and they pursue it more actively, so they wind up smarter, with better jobs, and more knowledge, a better understanding of how the world works, which results in success and positions of influence in government and industry. <br /><br />Republicans say they believe in a meritocracy, but they still want to rig things in their favor as much as possible, because they know that you can't fix stupid and stupid is what they have the most of. Imagine people who would vote for Lauren Boebert! How stupid can they be!Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10018567274333600822022-07-27T16:49:04.672-04:002022-07-27T16:49:04.672-04:00A middle class person who cannot vacation in Bermu...A middle class person who cannot vacation in Bermuda this Christmas is feeling as much pain as a working class person who cannot replace the tires on his truck. It is all relative. The only folks who don't worry about money are those at the top of the pyramid, the truly wealthy. That's why telling people they shouldn't feel any financial strain is another big lie. When people get an extra $10,000 in their paycheck, they increase their standard of living, and still just barely live within their means, and thus feel economic insecurity and "pain" again. <br /><br />If our culture wants to remove economic anxiety, it needs to enact healthcare for all, a guaranteed minimum income (to remove food insecurity), provide jobs for all who can work (we are nearly there), and provide shelter for those without homes (as they now do in Utah, for example). After that, whatever struggles people encounter will be related to their interests and abilities but won't be "pain" in the sense of need or want. But there is no will to do any of that on right. Conservatives believe in social Darwinism, in which the strong survive and the weak are their prey. So it is up to the left to do the heavy lifting on such measures, without any help from Trump or anyone else on the right. Until right wingers do participate in helping those in need, they really cannot complain about elitism on the left.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86437218402373137482022-07-27T16:42:12.717-04:002022-07-27T16:42:12.717-04:00"They [Fox] were discussing inflation and the..."They [Fox] were discussing inflation and the pain the current inflation is causing regular people."<br /><br />I'll bet they didn't mention that the US has lower inflation than many European nations with comparable gdps. I'll bet they didn't mention that inflation is trending down now. I'll bet they didn't mention that inflation was caused by covid and the war in Ukraine and not Biden's policies. And I'm sure they didn't mention the mitigating factors, such as low unemployment, higher wages etc. I'll bet they told their viewers that it was nasty old Biden who was causing their financial troubles. Because there are things that Fox viewers won't be told, important things that they need to know. Thank god the leftist media exist to balance out the lies (of omission and disinformation) told on Fox.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20973310234098092212022-07-27T16:38:41.041-04:002022-07-27T16:38:41.041-04:00I'm ready to give up, write your garbage and p...I'm ready to give up, write your garbage and project onto Somerby... I need a break.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74249128302002917572022-07-27T16:37:49.030-04:002022-07-27T16:37:49.030-04:00"Hang the Rich!" is a poor summary of wh..."Hang the Rich!" is a poor summary of what was just written. Yes, this will need to be explained, am I right?<br /><br />Criticizing the blue elite we see on TV as rich, pampered, and not caring about much is not equivalent to simply criticizing the rich, especially when it's the last part that is clearly the important distinction. Gosh I get tired of explaining this stuff. And then you go on to write it's a lazy generalization. Why do I even come here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27389036476593046832022-07-27T16:35:33.709-04:002022-07-27T16:35:33.709-04:00"We briefly flipped to the Fox News Channel. ..."We briefly flipped to the Fox News Channel. They were discussing inflation and the pain the current inflation is causing regular people."<br /><br />It is very odd that Somerby is such good friends with Kevin Drum, who has been showing us that both inflation and recession are overblown by the right, not increasing in any way beyond usual, and consistent with global increases, not Biden's fault, and likely temporary and not related to any recession. Drum shows the charts and we know that Somerby reads them.<br /><br />Now all of a sudden, Somerby has a bug up his ass about Ellie Alvarado and her inability to buy fancy breakfast cereal, as if that were some measure of what is happening with the entire population. We have all encountered shortages due to supply chain disruption related to covid. We have all received checks to help ease those problems. Now that we are recovering, some items cost more money, but far fewer people are unemployed, there are new unions, wages have increased and benefits are better, and kids are going back to school. This isn't the time to cry woe and pretend Biden is bankrupting families. That is another kind of big lie, one that discourages people who are doing fine, and one that undermines our prosperity by decreasing consumer confidence. Somerby should be ashamed of helping Republicans do this, just to win a midterm election.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.com