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Stop-and-frisk is a legal procedure under the Supreme Court's opinion in Terry v Ohio, which is why Scheindlin didn't and couldn't declare the practice illegal. But the stop requires articulable and reasonable suspicion on the part of the police. And the frisk may only be used to insure the safety of the police. Wholesale stops of dark-skinned people violates equal protection, and the appeals court is scheduled to decide the case on its merits next year.<br /><br />It's only the fact that you rely on the reporting of others that leads you to believe that the alleged stereotyping of Martin by Zimmerman played any part in Scheindlin's ruling. It didn't. She referred to the statements of black people (including Obama) as they related their experiences during the controversy. Remember that I've read the judge's ruling (as usual). You, not so much (and also as usual).<br /><br />Regarding your other two claims, I'm not saying that the judge doesn't have an impressive resume, and I'm not saying that she hasn't had other high-profile cases reversed. I'm saying that you have no clue about either her background or the reason for any reversals of her decisions because you've once again accepted the word of someone whose politics you agree with instead of looking up the facts for yourself.<br /><br />It's Noah Rothman, right?<br /><br />When the new mayor, a critic of the stop-and-frisk policy, takes office, it's likely that he'll drop the city's appeal, and Scheindlin's order will probably be reinstated.<br /> deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44677599107469400692013-11-02T01:27:19.485-04:002013-11-02T01:27:19.485-04:00Scheindlin specifically did not rule that stop and...<i>Scheindlin specifically did not rule that stop and frisk was unconstitutional, just that NYC methods were overly broad</i><br /><br />Quibble. She ruled that S&F, as practiced, was unconstitutional, perhaps because it was overly broad.<br /><br /><i> The opinion references Martin only to quote comments on the stereotyping of black men. </i><br /><br />Quibble. Martin is famous only because he was killed by Zimmerman. The supposed stereotyping of Martin was allegedly committed by Zimmerman, except that there was no evidence that Zimmerman stereotyped Martin based on race. <br /><br />Regarding my other two claims, Scheindlin has an impressive educational background and has had other high-profile decisions reversed, because they were based on political reasoning, rather than legal reasoning. David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35334468954650273552013-11-01T13:51:54.481-04:002013-11-01T13:51:54.481-04:00Vanquisher of straw men who's Anonymous @ 6:02...Vanquisher of straw men who's Anonymous @ 6:02A et temporibus aliis,<br /><br />It's not as much fun for me if I have to explain my little jokes. I didn't really mean that there was a typo in your comment. I meant that you attack TDH for failings not his own but only of our own conjuring.<br /><br />You can't even keep straight what it is you object to. Is it really that TDH doesn't say what he means and doesn't mean what he says? 'Cause I have no trouble discerning his meaning even when I disagree with him. I thought TDH's sin was that he's a hypocrite, i.e., he doesn't do what he says.<br /><br />Is the problem that nothing TDH writes is "the least bit beneficial"? Really, considering the intellectual level of your own comments, it takes some nerve to run down the quality of this blog.<br /><br />Is the problem the utility of the blog? TDH reviewed a book you weren't going to buy anyway. Bummer. Perhaps you should submit a list of books that you might buy in the hopes that a helpful review will be forthcoming.<br /><br />If the blog is so awful -- Gawd awful, stink on ice bad -- has nothing useful, new, or substantive to say, what are you doing here? I'm not asking you to leave; I just don't understand why you're still here. And I don't think you're a troll, since you seem quite sincere in your own harping.<br /><br />You say you get guilty pleasure from finding what you think are errors in TDH's writing? To each his own pleasures, but as for finding errors -- you're doing it wrong.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40851572120398798602013-11-01T13:16:07.572-04:002013-11-01T13:16:07.572-04:00Scheindlin's opinion and order of 8/12/13 does...Scheindlin's opinion and order of 8/12/13 does not contain the name "Zimmerman," and does not rely on any "interpretation" of his trial. The opinion references Martin only to quote comments on the stereotyping of black men. <br /><br />NYC doesn't have a "stop and frisk" law. It has a police department policy of conducting police stops in a broad manner.<br /><br />Scheindlin specifically did not rule that stop and frisk was unconstitutional, just that NYC methods were overly broad. <br /><br />You haven't got the slightest idea whether Scheindlin is bright or whether she has "a reputation for basing judicial decisions on political reasoning," do you? I'm guessing that once again instead of finding these things out for yourself, you found something online that you agreed with and adopted it unquestioningly. And I even think I know your source: Noah Rothman.<br /><br />How'd I do?deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51913026691813469692013-11-01T12:07:30.546-04:002013-11-01T12:07:30.546-04:00Leave now.Leave now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35100331270574881112013-11-01T10:46:52.237-04:002013-11-01T10:46:52.237-04:00AnonymousOctober 31, 2013 at 6:22 PM -- Judge Sche...AnonymousOctober 31, 2013 at 6:22 PM -- Judge Scheindlin was the one who brought in Zimmerman/Martin. In her (now unanimously overruled) decision, she referenced that case several times. She reasoned that the popular (albeit entirely wrong) interpretation of the Zimmerman case helped prove that NYC's stop and frisk law was unconstitutional.<br /><br />Although she's clearly a bright person, she has a reputation for basing judicial decisions on political reasoning. This was not the first of her newsworthy decisions to be overruled.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27336080661582520852013-11-01T10:23:24.360-04:002013-11-01T10:23:24.360-04:00Irish Guy, your argument is a straw man.
No one h...Irish Guy, your argument is a straw man.<br /><br />No one has argued that the philosophy of the The Great Souls is one of ignoring wrongdoing or wrongdoers.<br /><br />King didn't ignore racism, he countered it with action and with an appeal to the best in people.<br /><br />No one has suggested that politicians, like Gore, shouldn't defend themselves. However let me remind you that Gore is dependent upon a media that would lay aside it's own ambitions and narrative to air and discuss his defense.<br /><br />You see it is even in the interest of you folks on the side of the angels to champion the cause of good-will in our national debate.<br /><br />You say that VP Biden is an honorable man, and I believe that too. However, I hope you aren't suggesting that Biden would stoop to the tactics of O'Donnell and Matthews in countering Ryan. That Bjden would make a charge on tenuous bullshit and then self-righteously tell himself that means did not matter because Ryan is a bad man anyway.<br /><br />I hope that Biden never impugned and wrote-off whole groups of average people, and whole states of them.<br /><br />I don't know why someone would turn a superior ethos and the legacy of MLK and Gandhi into the territory of insipid losers, merely to level a mere hypocrisy charge against a blogger for esteeming and championing that ethos.<br /><br />I don't know why someone would detest even a reference of optimism and peace.<br /><br />No matter how much they trumpet the cause, please know that you are in the presence of people who love war for war's sake. Run.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3075263615028132192013-11-01T09:55:36.688-04:002013-11-01T09:55:36.688-04:00In other words, you're about spending your tim...In other words, you're about spending your time on a blog you detest in what in your words is little more than the motive of getting even.<br /><br />You're here to tell us how unworthy the blog and blogger are while spending much time and energy in doing it.<br /><br />You're here to beat a blog and a blogger, and the people who enjoy the blog.<br /><br />That's called being a troll.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29576588802972671732013-11-01T09:36:27.850-04:002013-11-01T09:36:27.850-04:00Ah, of course. Bobinista logic at it's finest....Ah, of course. Bobinista logic at it's finest.<br /><br />Evidently, when I say "dead blog" I leave open the question of whether I like said blog or not, and am being completely dishonest when I don't proclaim whether or not I "dislike" it.<br /><br />Well, Cecelia, let me put your fevered mind to rest as I reclaim my honesty.<br /><br />This blog stinks. It is really, really bad. Gawd awful, stink on ice bad. Which is why it has such a pathetically low traffic count.<br /><br />Its sins stand before you -- years of harping on trivialities without anything new or of substance to say, fudging statistics, inserting words into quotes that were never spoken. In short, the sins this blog is quick to accuse others of committing, but never itself.<br /><br />Now be sure to rush to your Bobinista defenses of "troll" and "why don't you just leave."<br /><br />Not going to. If dissent and ideas other than your own trouble you so much, well, I can't help that.<br /><br />But like this blog itself, I find much sport in picking low hanging fruit and watching its few remaining fans flail away in defense of the indefensible.<br /><br />Call it a guilty pleasure.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56596668147871119722013-11-01T08:22:29.918-04:002013-11-01T08:22:29.918-04:00No, Anon6:02am, if you really said what you mean y...No, Anon6:02am, if you really said what you mean you would have confessed that your hobby was trying to beat to death blogs that you dislike.<br /><br />That would be you being honest with yourself and others here.<br /><br />Either way, yours is not a hobby that reveals a passion for learning anything at all.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8347178349718429672013-11-01T06:41:44.637-04:002013-11-01T06:41:44.637-04:00Greg, right after the gas attack in Syria when Oba...Greg, right after the gas attack in Syria when Obama was threatening military action, a right-wing, Tea Party relative of mine blasted an e-mail to his entire list, including me, about "Baskin-Robbins' latest flavor -- Baracky Road."<br /><br />It went like this: Baracky Road is half-vanilla, half-chocolate, made in Africa, bitter tasting and so expensive that just two scoops would leave you bankrupt. And "liberals in Congress" have all banded together to require all Americans were required to buy two scoops.<br /><br />Ha, ha.<br /><br />Now following the Gospel According to Somerby, it would be wrong to say that "half-vanilla, half-chocolate" and "made in Africa" contained any racist undertones at all, because, after all, mean things are said about every president.<br /><br />And of course, it would be doubly wrong for me to e-mail this relative back and tell him that if he is going to send racist jokes around, please keep me off the list.<br /><br />But I did it anyway.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17677669182859151032013-11-01T06:20:31.895-04:002013-11-01T06:20:31.895-04:00What is "difficult" is that in the very ...What is "difficult" is that in the very same breath, not even the next one, "TDH" then launches into his usual stick of hating his opponents, classifying them as "the other," and makes knee-jerk judgments about them, all the while using Malala as cover for the few people he has left who are so intellectually challenged they can't even see what is before their face.<br /><br />Sure "TDH" cares bout what "M.Y." says, but not enough to practice it himself. Only enough to demand that those "others" practice it. And only his chosen "others". Never himself.<br /><br />As for the practicality of loving thy enemies AND his "agenda," well Joe Biden sure showed how to fight back. There is probably no more decent human being in public service today than Joe Biden, and he left pieces of Paul Ryan all over the stage after their debate. He wasn't going to put up with his "malarkey" and said so. Quite emphatically.<br /><br />"TDH's" buddy, Al Gore? Tried to play it nice and not get his hands too dirty directly confronting the lies said about him and his character in a classic Karl Rove whisper campaign that he KNEW was coming.<br /><br />For instance, before the sun set on the day the "invented the Internet" press release went out, Gore should have ran through that open door, trumpeting the many, many things he did to bring the Internet out of the Defense Department laboratories and into wide, commercial use.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />irishguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214796640416172528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8474037151241103142013-11-01T06:02:58.963-04:002013-11-01T06:02:58.963-04:00No deadrat, unlike your leader, I say what I mean ...No deadrat, unlike your leader, I say what I mean and mean what I say.<br /><br />And of course, if you were honest with yourself, you would ask yourself about the last time you actually learned anything from Bob that was in the least bit beneficial?<br /><br />Amanda Ripley wrote a bad book? Great, I wasn't going to buy it anyway. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60653340711414066602013-10-31T21:03:13.498-04:002013-10-31T21:03:13.498-04:00Hahaha!Hahaha!CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16420443170923762202013-10-31T20:00:04.740-04:002013-10-31T20:00:04.740-04:00Anonymous @2:43,
There's a typo in your comme...Anonymous @2:43,<br /><br />There's a typo in your comment. That should read "My hobby is beating straw men."<br /><br />You're welcome.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15349838063114304602013-10-31T19:57:42.230-04:002013-10-31T19:57:42.230-04:00Anonymous @1:54P,
What's so difficult about ...Anonymous @1:54P,<br /> <br />What's so difficult about this for you? TDH wants us to stop hating our opponents, to stop classifying them as "the other," and to stop making knee-jerk judgments about them. Malala Yousafzai wants the same thing, and TDH points to her in the model role to which she's been assigned. It turns out that TDH has an even more expansive definition on not hating than M.Y., but I don't see how this invalidates her as an example for good or how TDH uses her as a prop. His argument stands or falls on its merits.<br /><br />It's clear that TDH does care about what M.Y. says, enough so that he's careful to point out that he misheard what she said. He's still in violent agreement with her. So what's your point here?<br /><br />I'm not sure TDH's prescription makes a lot of practical sense. Is there a difference between hating Ted Cruz and holding in contempt his political agenda, strategy, tactics, and dishonesty? But that doesn't stop me from understanding what TDH writes.<br />deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55317183884301423602013-10-31T19:32:01.581-04:002013-10-31T19:32:01.581-04:00Anonymous @1:14P,
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...A bit of good news for blacks in New York City.<br /><br /><i> A federal appeals court on Thursday blocked a judge's order requiring changes to the New York Police Department's stop-and-frisk program and removed the judge from the case.<br /><br />The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the decisions of Judge Shira Scheindlin will be stayed pending the outcome of an appeal by the city. <br />. <br />The judge had ruled in August the city violated the Constitution in the way it carried out its program of stopping and questioning people.</i><br />http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57610296/court-blocks-ruling-on-nypd-stop-and-frisk-policy/David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61146246049103241952013-10-31T19:02:01.967-04:002013-10-31T19:02:01.967-04:00inhale exhale inhale exhale inhale exhale inhale i...inhale exhale inhale exhale inhale exhale inhale inhale exhale inhale exhale inhale inhale exhale inhale exhale inhale exhale inhale inhale exhale inhale exhale inhale. . . michael myersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1263757218831619302013-10-31T18:55:33.157-04:002013-10-31T18:55:33.157-04:00You have no idea.You have no idea.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48087984794768534632013-10-31T18:38:23.678-04:002013-10-31T18:38:23.678-04:00You know, I think if you try really, really hard n...You know, I think if you try really, really hard next time, Cecelia, you can be even more fawning.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59643413963619959112013-10-31T18:22:00.093-04:002013-10-31T18:22:00.093-04:00Right. When all else fails, let's go back to d...Right. When all else fails, let's go back to discussing Zimmerman.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com