tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post2816617975693996462..comments2024-03-28T17:40:13.653-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Texas voting, county by county!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77534369044460462702022-06-03T14:40:29.328-04:002022-06-03T14:40:29.328-04:00I called it a bait and switch because the county s...I called it a bait and switch because the county stats are not the same as for the city of Uvalde, which did not support Trump, but Somerby is wanting to generalize about the gun culture in Uvalde (the city) which is where the shooting happened.<br /><br />You may be confused because this particular essay about the county voting is a follow-on to a similar essay in which he talks about Amanda Flores and her feelings about guns, and works very hard to convince readers that Hispanics are more conservative than we think. <br /><br />He says: "Also this! Is it possible that we have something to learn from the way Uvalde voted? <br /><br />Uvalde County (population roughly 24,000) is 73 percent Hispanic. The bulk of the county's population lives in Uvalde City, the county seat (population roughly 15,000; 82 percent Hispanic).<br /><br />Uvalde County is roughly three quarters Hispanic. We haven't been able to find reliable data concerning the way Uvalde City voted. But this is the way the county voted in the last two presidential elections:"<br /><br />But the voting in the city of Uvalde is not the same as for the county. Nevertheless, Somerby talks as if it were. He pretends that Hispanics are floating toward Trump and that the people in Uvalde are not sympathetic with Democratics but are part of a gun culture themselves. Then today, he accuses the left of otherizing them -- yet these are Democratic voters, not the red tribe, and they are not sympathetic to Trump.<br /><br />That is a clear bait and switch. Somerby says he couldn't find voting results for the city, but they were easy enough to find using Google. That suggests he didn't try or he didn't want to present them, because they do not support his claims about what the people living in Uvalde are like, or what their voting patterns are. <br /><br />As I pointed out yesterday, the aunt of one of the teachers killed is calling for gun control. That isn't the way "the other" behave. Somerby is wrong to co-opt these people who have lost children in a terrible tragedy, to use them for his own political purposes -- promoting the idea that Hispanics are becoming red voters, when there is no evidence of that in Uvalde and they are not his pawns to use for political gain.<br /><br />Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70134017308656870512022-06-03T14:13:38.958-04:002022-06-03T14:13:38.958-04:00So the bait-and-switch actually occured in the com...So the bait-and-switch actually occured in the comments. Not surprised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60786370127841674492022-06-03T14:12:31.556-04:002022-06-03T14:12:31.556-04:00I'm not sure I understand why you think it'...I'm not sure I understand why you think it's a bait and switch when he is clearly talking about the county, from the blog title "Texas voting, county by county!" to the text within, "The county is three-quarters Hispanic, but Trump won going away," and "As you can see by moving your cursor, Uvalde County is two counties over from San Antonio."<br /><br />And there's not a single mention of "city" until we get to the comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66803335314244567242022-06-03T13:51:46.540-04:002022-06-03T13:51:46.540-04:00More birdcage liner from DiC. Trolls gotta troll.More birdcage liner from DiC. Trolls gotta troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78207105297075461652022-06-03T13:23:15.288-04:002022-06-03T13:23:15.288-04:00I think the different results may be snapshots at ...I think the different results may be snapshots at different points in time on election day, perhaps before counting of mail-in ballots or before results were final. Absentee voters tend to skew conservative.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64744723354007909192022-06-03T13:18:20.834-04:002022-06-03T13:18:20.834-04:00The source for the city of Uvalde is different tha...The source for the city of Uvalde is different than the sources for the county. There is no contradiction with the city results, and they show the city much more Democratic than the county and much more Democratic than Somerby suggests.<br /><br />USA Today also has Somerby's numbers, like Politico, but they are also for the county not the city.<br /><br />The data for Uvalde, the city, at the source cited, is what you would expect from a largely Hispanic population and it DOES NOT support the idea of a Hispanic swing to the right, nor the idea that Uvalde went for Trump.<br /><br />Who knows why the county went for Trump Somerby was talking about the people of the city of Uvalde and his figures were (1) not for the city, but only for the county, and (2) wrong about how the Hispanic members of the city voted. Look at the precinct results. Even the presumably white part of the city didn't vote a majority for Trump.<br /><br />Somerby has pulled a bait-and-switch using the county numbers to imply that Uvalde went for Trump, and once again, you must check his figures because he gets things wrong. Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58981455212739142982022-06-03T13:10:23.844-04:002022-06-03T13:10:23.844-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18703028601929201392022-06-03T12:23:45.591-04:002022-06-03T12:23:45.591-04:00No, the point was that three sources have three qu...No, the point was that three sources have three quite different results for the election.<br /><br />Are you guys on drugs? Or just political kool-aid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68451463174614664762022-06-03T12:21:21.403-04:002022-06-03T12:21:21.403-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02169019514161120820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33548638079121527772022-06-03T12:10:30.488-04:002022-06-03T12:10:30.488-04:00It's just another sleepy, small, South Texas t...It's just another sleepy, small, South Texas town full of middle class Mexican-Americans who are totally fine with bigotry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63376972600724338302022-06-03T12:05:32.067-04:002022-06-03T12:05:32.067-04:00So in other words, a majority of the murdered chil...So in other words, a majority of the murdered children's neighbors are obsessed with bigotry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86546633680328206442022-06-03T11:59:32.461-04:002022-06-03T11:59:32.461-04:00Interesting. At https://www.politico.com/2020-ele...Interesting. At https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/texas/<br /><br />it's 59.7% - 39.4% <br /><br />but at https://uvaldecounty.com/images/elections_admin/2020_general_info/2020_general_results/EV-ABBM-Cumulative_Results-11-3-2020_07-22-10_PM.pdf<br /><br />it's 55.90% - 44.10%<br /><br />I then you posted 56.90% - 42.29%<br /><br />Maybe somebody can sort this mess out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19514075124460943712022-06-03T10:48:54.035-04:002022-06-03T10:48:54.035-04:00"Uvalde County voted for Donald J. Trump in C..."Uvalde County voted for Donald J. Trump in Campaign 2020. It did so by a 20-point margin! The county is three-quarters Hispanic, but Trump won going away."<br /><br />59% of those registered in Uvalde county actually voted in 2020.<br /><br />56.90% voted for Trump<br />42.29% voted for Biden<br /><br />The difference is 14.61% not 20%.<br /><br />In Uvalde itself (the city), there were three precincts: reported:<br /><br />463008 with 50.73% for Biden and 47.91% for Trump<br />463009 with 66.13% for Biden and 32.53% for Trump<br />463010 with 70.74% for Biden and 29.26% for Trump<br /><br />Source: Election Atlas, Map of Uvalde County<br />https://www.zipdatamaps.com/election-atlas/county/tx/uvalde-county/map-of-2020-presidential-election-results-by-voting-precinct<br /><br />None of those results support Somerby's claim that Uvalde went for Trump by 20%, going away. <br /><br />I'll bet Somerby got his stats from some right-wing source crowing about how Uvalde is Trump territory and how even Hispanic people voted for Trump. That is manifestly not true if you look at the data.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54611576201376153592022-06-03T05:30:19.375-04:002022-06-03T05:30:19.375-04:00Look who's talking!Look who's talking!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90699988341053464392022-06-02T23:16:50.165-04:002022-06-02T23:16:50.165-04:00It also explains why Build Back Better failed mise...It also explains why Build Back Better failed miserably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67742449604943582132022-06-02T21:49:31.197-04:002022-06-02T21:49:31.197-04:00Both teachers were Hispanic women. One had a husba...Both teachers were Hispanic women. One had a husband on the police force. Her aunt has called for gun control. It would be unusual if either voted for Trump, given that they are educated and female — not his demographic. They died protecting poor Hispanic children, so I doubt they were bigots, as you suggest. It was bad enough they died without having some troll trash their memory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10821708408860739532022-06-02T21:39:25.985-04:002022-06-02T21:39:25.985-04:00There's a better chance than not that the murd...There's a better chance than not that the murdered teachers were totally fine with bigotry. Statistically speaking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63407626731751275932022-06-02T19:10:11.127-04:002022-06-02T19:10:11.127-04:001. Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor, being undocume...1. Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor, being undocumented in the country is not against the law<br /><br />2. Perhaps a few, this is of no consequence<br /><br />3. Title 42<br /><br />4. False, learn to google so you can maybe stop embarrassing yourselfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71901894315461302442022-06-02T19:05:44.753-04:002022-06-02T19:05:44.753-04:00Somerby and Republicans have gone on and on recent...Somerby and Republicans have gone on and on recently about all the dangers children face at school: learning about racial oppression, reading books about the Holocaust, learning that some people are gay; meanwhile a disturbed individual bought a military style gun and shot up a bunch of school children, while the cops stood by, no less!<br /><br />The mild gun controls our side suggested fell on deaf ears.<br /><br />Somerby protests our side is too rough on right wingers, but it is clear that they and Somerby are more monstrous than one could imagine.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57063739892108971352022-06-02T18:40:17.923-04:002022-06-02T18:40:17.923-04:00Not the ones who were shot in their classroom.Not the ones who were shot in their classroom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65251904630607581082022-06-02T18:33:54.050-04:002022-06-02T18:33:54.050-04:00What can our frequently self-impressed tribe possi...What can our frequently self-impressed tribe possibly learn from such a result?<br /><br />I learn that these Hispanic voters voted for guns.FDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06987676214157655750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77253803231571368482022-06-02T18:12:51.223-04:002022-06-02T18:12:51.223-04:00Immigrants getting into the country illegally, jus...Immigrants getting into the country illegally, just shows how smart they areAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65293620064607752312022-06-02T17:10:54.812-04:002022-06-02T17:10:54.812-04:00Most illegal immigration occurs when people get of...Most illegal immigration occurs when people get off an airplane and overstay their visa. Gov Abbott closed the border, searched every truck and found 0 illegals. You appear to be conflating asylum seekers (which is legal) with illegal immigration. Trump doesn’t believe in covid testing and refused it himself before a presidential debate. MAGAts are more of a risk to encounter healthwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79861673736543383312022-06-02T16:54:08.126-04:002022-06-02T16:54:08.126-04:001. Illegal immigration is against the law.
2. Peop...1. Illegal immigration is against the law.<br />2. People from all over the world are crossing the Southern border.<br />3. No health check for covid or any other communicable disease.<br />4. illegal immigration hurts poor blacks by taking away entry level jobs and driving down wages for low level jobs.<br />David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12957232844423562442022-06-02T16:01:28.068-04:002022-06-02T16:01:28.068-04:00Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com