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You say I'm too stupid to think without the help of Maddow?<br /><br />Yeah, you're probably right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15730152697232208992012-05-18T10:58:28.943-04:002012-05-18T10:58:28.943-04:00By the way, you want to know one aspect that shoul...By the way, you want to know one aspect that should truly caught the attention of a person who claims to be working so hard to improve "american discourse?"<br /><br />Maddow has gotten high praise for "Drift" from BOTH "conservatives" and "liberals."<br /><br />Now how is that possible that such an unabashed, open "liberal" is able to bridge the ideological gap on such an important subject?<br /><br />Will Somerby explore that subject for the handful of people who need his help to think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12127306713743052012-05-18T10:54:31.512-04:002012-05-18T10:54:31.512-04:00Remember how Bob used to rail repeatedly that the ...Remember how Bob used to rail repeatedly that the "media" had thrown Gene Lyons' "Fools for Scandal" down the memory hole because it didn't fit the script?<br /><br />Rachel Maddow's "Drift" doesn't fit the Somerby narrative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20717635757260708782012-05-18T10:04:44.043-04:002012-05-18T10:04:44.043-04:00"I think Anom does a good job generally in co..."I think Anom does a good job generally in countering TDH"<br /><br />When we finish laughing, we'll read the rest of your comment, Greg.<br /><br />So, probably never.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79541297610437133172012-05-17T22:35:30.187-04:002012-05-17T22:35:30.187-04:00Nice head fake, Anonymous. This post is about Wals...Nice head fake, Anonymous. This post is about Walsh and Noah, not Horowitz. And in the Horowitz post from yesterday Somerby was not disputing the sourcing of the bullying incident, but rather the contention that it was the result of homophobia.cacambonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78428822282015636572012-05-17T21:53:32.699-04:002012-05-17T21:53:32.699-04:00In 1965 hair length was indeed symbolic, for both ...In 1965 hair length was indeed symbolic, for both sides of the just-starting culture war. The incident may show merely that young Mitt (much like old Mitt) was on the side of the "squares" in 1965. Which, duh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77594047082961230402012-05-17T21:52:16.954-04:002012-05-17T21:52:16.954-04:00"Somerby parsed the whole thing for what he c..."Somerby parsed the whole thing for what he considered to be its weakest point"<br /><br />His modus operandus. I got tired of him years ago ... wandering in here today, I see that he's still ragging on Rachel Maddow and hacking at trees while ignoring the forest. DH was once relevant, but no longer. Too bad because Bob does have talent.mknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46991920770845832952012-05-17T19:25:47.804-04:002012-05-17T19:25:47.804-04:00I think Anom does a good job generally in counteri...I think Anom does a good job generally in countering TDH, and does so here. Here's the way I see it: <br /><br /> The story is solid on Mitt's bulling, so it is not <br /> comparable to stuff they just made up on Gore: Love <br /> Story, Love Cannel, hiring Namoi Woolf so he could<br /> look like a man, growing up in a posh hotel, etc. <br /><br /> While Mitt's behavior makes you think of every<br /> spoiled brat weasal you ever knew growing up, it's <br /> probably not fair at this stage in Romney's life to<br /> hold his High School behavior against him, nor would<br /> it be fair to anyone. And "Gay" has such a diferent <br /> conetation than it did then (in the early seventies,<br /> both major political parites were still using <br /> homosexual rumors as part of their dirty tricks <br /> agendas)that it's hard to automatical assume Mitt<br /> was trying to humiliate his fellow student for his<br /> percived sexuality. Nor has this really been proved<br /> or even suggested by the stories. <br /><br /> And yes, there ARE more important things we good<br /> be giving our attention to. Have you heard about this<br /> new bestseller, Bob? It's called "Drift"....Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19739077638775257612012-05-17T19:12:13.860-04:002012-05-17T19:12:13.860-04:00Well, you forget one small detail. Horowitz would ...Well, you forget one small detail. Horowitz would need to have in his possession the actual signed and notorized affidavit from Romney, not a copy, stating his clear motive before Somerby will consider that sufficient evidence to support the claim that Romney & Gang assaulted a gay kid with bleach blond hair because he was gay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85835340221479498822012-05-17T16:48:53.056-04:002012-05-17T16:48:53.056-04:00Romney’s behavior was sometimes bad—but then again...<i>Romney’s behavior was sometimes bad—but then again, he was in high school.</i><br /><br />Not everyone who goes to high school behaves the way Romney did. In fact, most don't. <br /><br /><i> (With regard to the “Atta girl” comment, Horowitz reports that teachers at Romney’s school sometimes said similar things.)</i><br /><br />That makes it worse, not better. Apparently teachers gave a green light to bullies at this school, and they got the message.<br /><br />There is no such thing as racism or homophobia, because no one can ever pass judgment on someone else's behavior based on the known facts and circumstances. Only if Romney presented his victim with a notarized affidavit stating that he was now going to be assaulted due to his gayness would we be able to conclude that the fact that the victim was gay had anything to do with the incident. Surely it was just random chance that Romney and his friends didn't pick on, say, an aggressively straight jock with a crewcut instead. Surely it's meaningless to set this behavior against a societal backdrop of persistent bullying against young gay people and the higher suicide rates among that population. Only if Zimmerman had yelled the n-word could we conclude that he started following Martin with a gun because he was a young black man. Surely Zimmerman would have followed a middle-aged white woman just as zealously. Surely this killing of an unarmed black man has nothing to do with a societal history of license toward the killing of unarmed black men. We're beyond all that now. At least, as long as people don't use the wrong words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81024972163662348372012-05-17T16:36:46.390-04:002012-05-17T16:36:46.390-04:00Go back to being professionals? My dear boy, how o...Go back to being professionals? My dear boy, how old are you?<br /><br />Remind me of the time journalism ever met the lofty standards of Bob Somerby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-260643371239739052012-05-17T16:35:04.286-04:002012-05-17T16:35:04.286-04:00Well, since you are apparently in need of educatio...Well, since you are apparently in need of education and so curious, here is my answer.<br /><br />Horowitz's story was extremely well-sourced. Go read it and count them yourself. It was so well-source that not even Romney could deny it.<br /><br />The point really is, Somerby parsed the whole thing for what he considered to be its weakest point, ignored the rest of the story and, more significantly, it's aftermath of Romney's non-denial and non-apology, and used that one minor point to discount the whole story as garbage, and yet another springboard into his longstanding rant that the press was so mean and nasty to poor, defenseless Al Gore, and now they are treating poor, defenseless Mitt Romney the same way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18132768783141534682012-05-17T15:12:13.958-04:002012-05-17T15:12:13.958-04:00Hey Anonymous 1:01!
Glad you could find time for ...Hey Anonymous 1:01!<br /><br />Glad you could find time for your daily dig at Bob Somerby (sans content, as usual). <br /><br />Here's a question for you: What are you thoughts on journalists' responsibility for accurate sourcing and backing up their claims with actual evidence? That's what this post is about, as are many of the posts here at the Daily Howler. Do you approve of the journalistic behavior cited above?<br /><br />And for extra credit: Do you think it is possible to have a functioning public sphere and a healthy democracy without some basic agreement on what constitutes a fact, or what it means to effectively marshal evidence in support of a claim?cacambonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66573878501828921842012-05-17T15:05:34.783-04:002012-05-17T15:05:34.783-04:00Does it make media malfeasance OK if the candidate...Does it make media malfeasance OK if the candidate is less effective at addressing it? Journalism is a profession, which means it is supposed to be governed by ethics. This stuff is wrong because it violates ethics, not because the candidate deserves it (or doesn't) or can or cannot deal with it effectively. Somerby wants journalists to go back to being professionals. This is important because the general public trusts what it reads -- and it should be able to do so. The bad actors here are the journalists, not Gore or Kerry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71451179274216067652012-05-17T14:13:54.921-04:002012-05-17T14:13:54.921-04:00Yeah, right. The "War on Gore" was compl...Yeah, right. The "War on Gore" was completely unprecedented in U.S. presidential campaign history.<br /><br />Let me tell you the big difference between Clinton and Gore as politicians: Clinton's "War Room" never let the sun set on any attempt by the opposition to define him. <br /><br />He dealt with the Gennifer Flowers story, the draft dodger story, the "secret trip as an Oxford student to Russia" story, and everything else thrown at him directly, decisively and expertly and they quickly became non-stories.<br /><br />Obama did the same thing when the Rev. Wright story surfaced, as well as the Bill Ayers story.<br /><br />Gore, and Kerry after him, expected others to do the clean-up when Karl Rove threw mud. And thus, the stuff like "invented the Internet" and the swift-boating took on lives of their own.<br /><br />But of course, they were following the Marquis de Somerby rules, in which you are never expected to fight fire with fire, lest you offend the sensibilities of those who might believe you are a serial liar, or a highly decorated coward who never really earned his medals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5516935432064188742012-05-17T13:51:58.364-04:002012-05-17T13:51:58.364-04:00You are missing the point. It was still atrocious ...You are missing the point. It was still atrocious journalism whether it was the main cause of the loss or wasn't. It wasn't just a matter of "mean, awful things" -- your cheap-shot way of describing what happened -- but outright and provable lies by the entire mainstream press. What Clinton had to face was far less monolithic. Never before or since has the pack mentality been even remotely as overwhelming as in the 2000 election.<br /><br />You perhaps have forgotten that (1) Gore did win the popular vote, and (2) Gore was perceived by poll respondents as having killed Bush in the first debate until the DC press started going on and on about Gore's sighing and other manufactured flaws. The Howler's documentation of that tragic sequence in American history has been near flawless, and your snarky conclusion with zero support does not change that.urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73657069203728359442012-05-17T13:01:35.578-04:002012-05-17T13:01:35.578-04:00Here's a thought for you, Bob.
Perhaps Gore d...Here's a thought for you, Bob.<br /><br />Perhaps Gore didn't reach the White House not because David Marannis and a whole bunch of others said mean, awful things about him.<br /><br />Maybe, just maybe, it was because Gore simply wasn't quite skilled enough as a politician to counter the "War on Gore."<br /><br />You know, the way Bill Clinton handled the Gennifer Flowers and draft dodging charges at key moments early in the 1992 campaign, then managed to be a rather strong field in the primary, and win election rather easily against a sitting president who enjoyed approval ratings in the stratosphere just 18 months earlier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35706296898484520342012-05-17T12:53:01.914-04:002012-05-17T12:53:01.914-04:00Because Noah was 7 in 1965 he doesn't understa...Because Noah was 7 in 1965 he doesn't understand the significance of long hair, for those wearing it and those choosing not to. Here are the lyrics to the musical Hair, which appeared off-Broadway in 1967, capturing a youth movement that preceded it and was extant in 1965:<br /><br />"Give me a head with hair, long beautiful hair<br />Shining, gleaming, streaming, flaxen, waxen<br />Give me down to there, hair, shoulder length or longer<br />Here baby, there, momma, everywhere, daddy, daddy<br /><br />Hair, flow it, show it<br />Long as God can grow, my hair"<br /><br />Wikipedia says: " A product of the hippie counter-culture and sexual revolution of the 1960s, several of its songs became anthems of the anti-Vietnam War peace movement. The musical's profanity, its depiction of the use of illegal drugs, its treatment of sexuality, its irreverence for the American flag, and its nude scene caused much comment and controversy."<br /><br />So, clearly the length of a fellow student's hair meant more to our culture than Noah suggestion that it exemplified a long-standing Romney fetish. It was symbolic for a whole generation and had nothing to do with being gay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com