tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post3052362595990287793..comments2024-03-29T06:44:19.414-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Judis joins Corn on the anti-war front!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78274604877118350192013-03-22T13:15:15.218-04:002013-03-22T13:15:15.218-04:00True. Better to just purchase the megaphone.
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It might sway opinion against you. tilhttp://til.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51087102222152026982013-03-20T08:58:52.654-04:002013-03-20T08:58:52.654-04:00Where would the human race be without those who ac...Where would the human race be without those who act outside the mainstream?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78925236440955842302013-03-20T01:22:00.387-04:002013-03-20T01:22:00.387-04:00Whether they were right or wrong, they looked like...Whether they were right or wrong, they looked like nuts when they went on TV, with their goofy costumes and behavior. They look out of the mainstream, act out of the mainstream, so people end up assuming what they say is out of the mainstream. They do more harm than good, and sometimes, looking at them, I suspect that's the point. They enjoy talking about change (loudly, angrily, and offensively), but aren't actually interested in doing the things that bring change about. It's a social club, not a political movement. "Hey let's go out wearing silly outfits and try to offend as many normal Americans as we can." "You know, that sounds like fun, and I'm not doing anything that night. Do you have a pink bedsheet I can borrow? I'll bring the glitter." tilhttp://til.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43138473870007516832013-03-19T23:47:26.760-04:002013-03-19T23:47:26.760-04:00Ackerman supported the Iraq War in the days of the...Ackerman supported the Iraq War in the days of the runup -- I remember that pretty well. So the fact that Judis wrote such a piece with him, after the fact, doesn't mean squat. We need a smoking gun, as the saying goes, and nobody has produced one. <br /><br />As for what Judis PRIVATELY said -- it doesn't mean a thing. In fact, if he was PRIVATELY saying it, but then mealy mouthing it in PUBLIC, where it actually counts, it's a pretty profound indictment of him, and his current claims of Courageous Lone Wolfism. I'm waiting on something where he publicly was against it. Not where he quibbles with the quality of the pro-war evidence, but where he comes out and states, unequivocally, that the war was a stupid, immoral, dangerous thing, and we shouldn't do it. tilhttp://til.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24316996876750130062013-03-19T23:21:00.885-04:002013-03-19T23:21:00.885-04:00For the record, although there were customarily ex...For the record, although there were customarily excellent commentaries on various press misdeeds and failings, TDH said nothing about Powell's speech in the days following, not even anything about the Times, the Post or the networks turning into cheerleaders for the war-mongers. urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53465336394938093922013-03-19T22:56:59.734-04:002013-03-19T22:56:59.734-04:00"But many people in the United States, Europe..."But many people in the United States, Europe and elsewhere are genuinely perplexed about why the Bush administration is so determined, even at the cost of war, to oust Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. In their public statements, administration officials have, if anything, increased the puzzlement. They have portrayed their campaign against Iraq as a continuation of the war against terrorism. They have claimed to have evidence of close ties between Hussein and al-Qaeda, but outside of a few scattered citations, they have failed to make a case that Hussein is an active ally of Osama bin Laden."<br /><br />Judis wrote this about three weeks before in June 2003 the invasion. He also wrote a long piece with Ackerman about the selling of the war, which, while certainly after the invasion, must have been started shortly after it started (and probably mentally formulated to some extent even before the invasion). <br /><br />We'll see what his TAP columns said in 2002. He didn't claim to be the most ardent anti-war firebrand there was, and if he was willing to say that on March 2, 2003, why shouldn't I take him at his word that he expressed disapproval, privately, semi-privately and publicly, in many contexts before it happened. In his position, it would not have been easy. I understand perfectly how he could have wavered a bit immediately after the Powell talk -- I did, too, as did many, until, two or three days later I saw the articles debunking the aluminum tubes and mobile weapons labs. What finalized it was the war against Blix, an unmistakable sign of bad faith. But then, I didn't go out on the streets and go to jail, either, so who am I to talk? urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80647179483835813442013-03-19T22:17:28.088-04:002013-03-19T22:17:28.088-04:00Just for the record, those Code pink "useless...Just for the record, those Code pink "useless idiots" were right, while far too many "serious" liberals either jumped on the pro-war bandwagon, or were simply too timid to take a stand. I'll save all my scorn and ridicule for those who lied the country into war and those who abetted them.MaxFrostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39185753942269759622013-03-19T21:33:59.537-04:002013-03-19T21:33:59.537-04:00Maybe it was always thus. Bless the era of the In...Maybe it was always thus. Bless the era of the Internet and Big Data! It may not help their memory. It may not keep them honest. But it sure let's us know if they are honest.David Neuschulzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00621750511640578808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19980359884826044642013-03-19T19:00:15.274-04:002013-03-19T19:00:15.274-04:00You mis-spelled "womyn."You mis-spelled "womyn." tilhttp://til.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28661356145483648022013-03-19T18:11:28.677-04:002013-03-19T18:11:28.677-04:00Just like Judis was only supported by the wimmin a...Just like Judis was only supported by the wimmin at TNR. All those crazy marginal women whose voices don't count anyway, pink being the color of crazy. What would it have been like if we had actually won the right to vote?Anonymous womannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88956576975220059392013-03-19T17:22:18.974-04:002013-03-19T17:22:18.974-04:00I wonder how much of their own BS these guys belie...I wonder how much of their own BS these guys believe. I also wonder if Judis went through his old columns, found nothing opposing the war, and decided to claim the mantle of heroic war opponent, anyway. The key here is that Washington mediadom has a vested interest in promoting such claims, because it gives the illusion that there is actual, robust debate that goes on there. Krugman just wrote a piece pointing out how farcical the discussion leading up to the war was; now we have these guys popping up claiming they heroically opposed the war, and did so publicly. The only people I saw given airtime to oppose the war were ludicrous caricatures of the left like the useless idiots at Code Pink, and they were trotted out only to show that only marginal, crazy people opposed the war. tilhttp://til.tknoreply@blogger.com