tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post3124635023968795138..comments2024-03-19T09:48:30.107-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Hayes and O’Donnell break the rules!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72438129075272071852012-08-08T02:13:03.936-04:002012-08-08T02:13:03.936-04:00this is simply as well cool regarding phrases! :)
...this is simply as well cool regarding phrases! :)<br />good job!Cheap Diablo 3 goldhttp://www.vipdiablo3.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88457760770559768612012-05-13T13:44:16.863-04:002012-05-13T13:44:16.863-04:00I wasn't meaning to excuse Romney--I meant tha...I wasn't meaning to excuse Romney--I meant that the hair alone would be "reason" enough to do it for someone who was bullying-oriented.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49888325564046335572012-05-12T16:16:15.423-04:002012-05-12T16:16:15.423-04:00"Take issue" is one thing. Ganging up on..."Take issue" is one thing. Ganging up on a kid, holding him down screaming and crying, and hacking away at his hair with scissors is quite something else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73936754898967105802012-05-12T15:01:05.338-04:002012-05-12T15:01:05.338-04:00If you cut his hair with scissors while he was scr...If you cut his hair with scissors while he was screaming and crying while four of your buddies held him down, you think you might be able to remember that specific interaction?<br /><br />Because the Romney's buddies certainly did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65936227395629819942012-05-12T14:58:51.925-04:002012-05-12T14:58:51.925-04:00Greg, I do agree that the Democrats finally realiz...Greg, I do agree that the Democrats finally realized what kind of street fight they were in following the 2010 mid-terms. <br /><br />But of course, Somerby still thinks that they, and only they, should fight by the Marquis de Queensbury rules.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71539836843913603802012-05-12T13:20:43.249-04:002012-05-12T13:20:43.249-04:00It wouldn't at all be abnormal for someone to ...It wouldn't at all be abnormal for someone to take issue with a guy's hair back then. Hair was a big deal--this was back when the early Beatles were considered unreasonably long-haired.<br />As for North Carolina, I don't know that says anything about majority support. It's an election in which Repubs had a presidential primary, Dems didn't, which could affect turn out (and it's been said that's one reason it's on the ballot in May, not fall). And even straights who support gay marriage may not necessarily come out and fight for it, whereas a lot on the other side take this as a direct attack on everything they hold dear.<br />"Climate" of acceptance might be too strong a word, but I don't think the guy was that far off-base.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15394636587856990392012-05-12T08:41:18.868-04:002012-05-12T08:41:18.868-04:00Remarkable! We have here a new addition to the So...Remarkable! We have here a new addition to the Somerby lexicon -- tired apparently of "fiery liberal" and 'liberal' in quotes, Bob today introduces a new pejorative today, "standard liberal", in the apparently endless quest to insult the persons who fail to meet Bob's high, if wholly undefined, standards of liberalism (Bill Clinton's Welfare Reform and financial deregulation? Al Gore's Lock Box? For that matter, what does "fiery liberal" and'"liberal"' mean? You you'll never out reading this blog. It's so much more convenient to keep it vague and contemptuous!).<br /><br />Interesting, to watch somebody completely go off the rails. Or, rather, maybe it *was* interesting, for those of us with too little to do. But even internet torpidity has its limits.<br /><br />Best leave this place to the folks who deserve it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35876678502787051652012-05-11T21:54:23.720-04:002012-05-11T21:54:23.720-04:00Greg, Nicely done, no way I could have said it bet...Greg, Nicely done, no way I could have said it better.onepaddlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34078182117307712492012-05-11T20:31:46.853-04:002012-05-11T20:31:46.853-04:00So feel free to accept it as true and pass it on.So feel free to accept it as true and pass it on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19376743408511545522012-05-11T18:31:48.700-04:002012-05-11T18:31:48.700-04:00Almost all of the reaction I heard was along the l...Almost all of the reaction I heard was along the lines that it was a ridiculous story and the MSM were idiots for thinking it was anything else. But I hang with regular people who vote, not liberals obsessed with finding a new way to feel victimized every day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6563662658984061132012-05-11T17:24:57.924-04:002012-05-11T17:24:57.924-04:00Actually, a mean High School kid in 1965 would not...Actually, a mean High School kid in 1965 would not have called or thought of someone being "gay"; they would have used an meaner term to sniff out a homosexual. Maddow's question seems perfectly logical to me, but what do I know, I actually READ Maddow's recent, highly worthwhile and perhaps important book that The Daily Howler won't go near. <br /> But no matter. What's interesting here is that Somerby, after propping up so many false equivalencies may be missing the real equivalency in this: The Dems are learning to fight dirty. This strikes me as being much more effective than, say, Al Gore's clumsy work on the hate crimes issues. <br /> It is a lot easier to get Americans worked up over a high school bully than, say, the horror they brought to Iraq. And it fits right into the dubious "bully issue" that media has been playing up for years now. <br /> And Mitt is taylor made to take the fall on this: the story is truly creepy and quite solid. Mitt comes off half the time as the kid who runs the mean frat in "Animal House" anyway, he didn't need this. Even W, though a chicken hawk and party boy, was by most accounts a nice guy. <br /> This story (along with the whole "Bully" deal the left wing media has been cooking up) provokes an emotional response, not a logical one. It's possible they've had this story for a long time, and this is a good time to spring it. It's about as fair as Swift Boat, except that it's true. I'd be surprised if the MSM didn't ride this out all season long. <br /> It's cheap, unfair, and maybe even ugly. It's pure Karl Rove. Why don't I feel sorry for The Republicans?Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20499336729282156582012-05-11T16:58:13.276-04:002012-05-11T16:58:13.276-04:00Um -- yes, I do need it explained. What specific ...Um -- yes, I do need it explained. What specific words did Maddow say that makes her IQ80 smart? A passive memory of a person's demeanor is by nature far more transitory than an active memory of assaulting them. If you're a healthy functioning person with anything close to what approximates a conscience, you'd have a really, really hard time forgetting what you did. If you remember the passive attributes of a person, then you most certainly remember the active portion of assaulting them. <br /><br />I agree it's entirely possible he remembers only the passive memory - and not the active. But for this to be true, he'd have had to have assaulted so many people that he honestly can't remember them all or some kind of medical condition - Somerby says Romney says he didn't know the guy was gay. Maddow says Romney says he didn't know the guy was gay. My take is that's an awfully specific memory about a person he claims not to remember assaulting.<br /><br />So you remember alleged gay kids in high school. Had you have, say, beat the crap out of one of them -- you're saying it's possible you'd recall their general gay-ness but not remember beating them up? <br /><br />I'll happily read your reply explaining to me WHAT EXACTLY THE PROBLEM IS WITH WHAT SHE SAID....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27186825633036129722012-05-11T16:05:30.045-04:002012-05-11T16:05:30.045-04:00Examine this paragraph from the post above...
&qu...Examine this paragraph from the post above...<br /><br />"Does Romney remember this incident? We have no idea. But here’s what he said: He said he doesn’t remember the incident, but he didn’t think the student in question was gay back in those days. There’s little chance that Maddow thinks there’s a puzzling contradiction there. But this theme was general on MSNBC, so she rattled it too."<br /><br />Who's voice is Somerby attributing the "He said he doesn't remember..." line to? It's looking very obvious to me that this is Somerby explaining to us what was really said. Does this sentence not carry the precise exact offending sentiment as the one he's faulting Maddow for? Specifically Somerby tells us that Romney really says he can't remember the incident, but that he didn't think the student was gay. Maddow tells us that Romney says he can't remember the incident but didn't think the student was gay. Are those two statements not extremely similar? EXPLAIN TO MY WHY when she says it it's bad, but when he says it, it's ok? It doesn't make sense to me. You can't insult someone like this and not explain why -- expecially when the passages are so extremely similar.<br /><br />Did explaining why "escape down the memory hole" as Somerby began mentally prepping for yet another "for 20 straight months columns"?<br /><br />If the commenters are right that there are no Romney quotes to suggest anything at all about THE GAY + ATTACK, why are both Somerby and Maddow making the same point?<br /><br />Maybe he's got a point, but I need to understand WHY Somerby called me stupid...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91392844416203917122012-05-11T16:04:56.790-04:002012-05-11T16:04:56.790-04:00“I certainly don’t believe that I thought the fell...“I certainly don’t believe that I thought the fellow was homosexual. That was the furthest thing from our minds back in the 1960s, so that was not the case.” <br /><br />I don't even know what he could possibly mean by that. What, no one knew about homosexuality in the 60's? He was to pre-occupied with the civil rights movement? What?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1525329381651376442012-05-11T15:33:12.340-04:002012-05-11T15:33:12.340-04:00“I certainly don’t believe that I thought the fell...“I certainly don’t believe that I thought the fellow was homosexual. That was the furthest thing from our minds back in the 1960s, so that was not the case.” <br /><br />Yeah, because nobody ever heard of homosexuality back in the 60's. I can't even begin to guess what Romney could possibly mean by that transparent lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55597298356667836522012-05-11T15:26:04.789-04:002012-05-11T15:26:04.789-04:00A cut and paste of my response to Anonymous above:...A cut and paste of my response to Anonymous above:<br /><br />I can't believe you need this explained.<br /><br />It is entirely possible (not saying I necessarily believe it) that Romney is able to remember the kid in general but does not remember the specific instance referred to.<br /><br />Hell, I remember kids from high school who were perceived as gay but I can't even remember their names let alone the details of specific interactions I had with them (and I am only 31).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64363824446871356952012-05-11T15:22:34.500-04:002012-05-11T15:22:34.500-04:00I can't believe you need this explained.
It i...I can't believe you need this explained.<br /><br />It is entirely possible (not saying I necessarily believe it) that Romney is able to remember the kid in general but does not remember the specific instance referred to.<br /><br />Hell, I remember kids from high school who were perceived as gay but I can't even remember their names let alone the details of specific interactions I had with them (and I am only 31).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21039479569787269892012-05-11T15:18:59.879-04:002012-05-11T15:18:59.879-04:00And we all know that it's much more acceptable...And we all know that it's much more acceptable for a bunch of kids to pin another kid while one of them cuts his hair with scissors, as long as they didn't know the kid was gay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6582810756981092862012-05-11T15:11:12.816-04:002012-05-11T15:11:12.816-04:00Nobody has quoted Romney as calling the kid gay wh...Nobody has quoted Romney as calling the kid gay while he cut his hair, or criticizing the kid's homosexuality. The only quote has been about Romney not liking the way the kid's hair looks.A. Pereznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80614491646721246722012-05-11T14:59:55.705-04:002012-05-11T14:59:55.705-04:00Don't they call that a drive by? Call someone...Don't they call that a drive by? Call someone dumb for what they said and never explain why? I read the howler -- Somerby never lets ANYONE off the hook for not saying why. I just spent a few minutes searching the blog for "he never says why" - "she never says why" - "never explains why" and a few other variations. How come it's ok for Somerby to do this but no one else?<br /><br />I keep re-reading what maddow says about what romney said and what somerby says romney says. What's the difference? She says "was gay" - Somerby says "was gay back in those days" -- are we splitting hairs about her understanding of the gay as a lifelong mindset vs Somerby's suggestion that the gay only starts after ones first gay act? <br /><br />It's just not making sense -- EXPLAIN WHY WHAT SHE SAID IS A STUPID!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1174840685479101962012-05-11T14:57:21.520-04:002012-05-11T14:57:21.520-04:00I have never understood the argument from polling....I have never understood the argument from polling. We simply don't have enough information to understand what polls mean. Maybe because polls themselves aren't polled enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4864410374708059902012-05-11T14:46:02.420-04:002012-05-11T14:46:02.420-04:00Simple. They were spoken by the despised Rachel Ma...Simple. They were spoken by the despised Rachel Maddow. That makes them dumb.<br /><br />The only possible way those words could be dumber is if Maureen Dowd had written them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36382668520018686172012-05-11T14:43:05.403-04:002012-05-11T14:43:05.403-04:002:31, of course I was mocking his response and exa...2:31, of course I was mocking his response and exaggerating. But that really wasn't much of an exaggeration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25547387768483744162012-05-11T14:42:34.323-04:002012-05-11T14:42:34.323-04:00I guess my IQ is 80 too... if you're going to...I guess my IQ is 80 too... if you're going to dress down someone for some obvious breakdown in messaging, you're going to have to explain the precise nature of the problem. In this case, you put some text in bold, said it's dumb but never explain why. Why?<br /><br />Romney has very specific memories about an incident he's forgotten. Why does pointing this out make you stupid? <br /><br />Here's what you say he said: "He said he doesn’t remember the incident, but he didn’t think the student in question was gay back in those days."<br /><br />Here's what she said he said: " Mr. Romney himself later said he did not contest that the incidents had happened, but that he didn’t remember anything about them. He didn’t remember anything about them, but he somehow definitely remembers that he did not think the kid in question, who was attacked, was gay." and "If you don’t remember anything about it, how do you remember that you definitely didn’t attack him because he was gay?"<br /><br />Explain to me like I'm as stupid as you just said I was -- EXACTLY what the problem is with these statements, because I'm not following.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17330989652105521222012-05-11T14:31:45.421-04:002012-05-11T14:31:45.421-04:00"Heck we didn't even know that there were..."Heck we didn't even know that there were any homosexuals in 1965."<br /><br />OK, everyone who believes that Romney never heard of homosexuals at the age of 18 in 1965 please stand on your heads and spit out wooden nickels. Are you freakin' kidding me?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com