tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post3784500387469836068..comments2024-03-28T12:52:10.797-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Additional reading assignment!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27931449584257729262012-03-28T12:05:32.534-04:002012-03-28T12:05:32.534-04:00And Bob didn't disappoint.
Somerby, hate to t...And Bob didn't disappoint.<br /><br />Somerby, hate to tell you this but your blog is becoming entirely predictable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39815537830244161432012-03-28T11:51:19.743-04:002012-03-28T11:51:19.743-04:00"I'm not being played."
We all are...."I'm not being played."<br /><br />We all are. The more you realize what people can get you to believe (and so easily), the closer you are to self-doubt. And, that, my friend, is where the real truth lies.<br /><br />This blog does a great service.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15502088841832253632012-03-28T11:41:04.584-04:002012-03-28T11:41:04.584-04:00gravy,
Great post. But I do worry that an indivi...gravy,<br /><br />Great post. But I do worry that an individual case like this can sway us toward guilty until proven innocent legal philosophy. I still believe in Blackstone's formulation (better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer), even though there are always ten victims screaming for justice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30712161791841470602012-03-28T01:02:13.631-04:002012-03-28T01:02:13.631-04:00O'Donnell looked like a crazed lunaticO'Donnell looked like a crazed lunaticAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51461390028302640862012-03-28T01:01:00.428-04:002012-03-28T01:01:00.428-04:00CNN reported tonight Zimmerman is 5'8 and weig...CNN reported tonight Zimmerman is 5'8 and weighs only 170.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33511016222804209502012-03-27T23:50:21.654-04:002012-03-27T23:50:21.654-04:00Incidentally, Joe Oliver just got exposed on O'...Incidentally, Joe Oliver just got exposed on O'Donnell's show. The guy even wound up objecting to the term "close friend" saying its something he never said. Turns out, the guy barely knows Zimmerman and Oliver's only conversation with him about the Martin death was last Saturday, when the Zimmerman defense/PR team was being quickly assembled and Oliver got his orders.<br /><br />Can't wait to read Somerby's blog about this in the morning. Going to guess it's another case of O'Donnell "aping" O'Reilly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18316443039512306472012-03-27T23:43:14.432-04:002012-03-27T23:43:14.432-04:00Oh, I have no doubt that if the suddenly well-grea...Oh, I have no doubt that if the suddenly well-greased Zimmerman camp gets their way, Trayvon Martin will turn into Shaquille O'Neal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14232056450122839122012-03-27T23:41:14.536-04:002012-03-27T23:41:14.536-04:00Ummm, not no great powers of reason required. You ...Ummm, not no great powers of reason required. You got every attempt to dig up anything they can about the kid's past, and no mention of a violent history? Not even a suspension from school for fighting?<br /><br />That would have been the FIRST thing that would have come out in the campaign to portray Trayvon Martin, aka Joe Frazier Jr., as a kid who could kick a 250-pound man's ass. If, of course, that is the present weight claimed for Zimmerman. That seems to change daily, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54922307766886940752012-03-27T22:01:56.644-04:002012-03-27T22:01:56.644-04:00great powers of reason you got theregreat powers of reason you got thereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28060104271999482052012-03-27T22:00:46.734-04:002012-03-27T22:00:46.734-04:00Prob not but they will be different heights and we...Prob not but they will be different heights and weights than you thought a week ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69707265986888386812012-03-27T19:38:20.564-04:002012-03-27T19:38:20.564-04:00The one fact of which we are certain: Trayvon Mart...The one fact of which we are certain: Trayvon Martin is D-E-A-D. He cannot give his version of what happened.<br />Running rubes?<br />He is dead.king quakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78615700088913688192012-03-27T19:27:05.642-04:002012-03-27T19:27:05.642-04:00And king quaker, exactly.
Maybe Somerby might pau...And king quaker, exactly.<br /><br />Maybe Somerby might pause in his obsessive quest to single-handedly bring down MSNBC to consider the case he is using to gain his ends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35855401852965201872012-03-27T18:52:31.088-04:002012-03-27T18:52:31.088-04:00Ironically, Lawrence O'Donnell's takedown ...Ironically, Lawrence O'Donnell's takedown of the Orlando Sentinel reporter last night was exactly the kind of thing Somerby has been calling "liberal" pundits to do for years, and in fact has been howling about how silent they have been in the face of poorly sourced, poorly investigate bull roar straight from the word processors of the RNC to the front pages of your newspapers.<br /><br />So does Somerby congratulate O'Donnell for calling that reporter out on a poorly sourced, poorly investigated piece of bullroad that came straight from the files of the Sanford PD to the front page of the Orlando Sentinel and your newspaper?<br /><br />Dear children! No! That kind of conduct simply isn't permitted. It was "O'Donnell aping O'Reilly".<br /><br />So doesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34693523268154280482012-03-27T18:37:23.133-04:002012-03-27T18:37:23.133-04:00Speak for yourself. I'm not being "played...Speak for yourself. I'm not being "played" by anyone. In fact, I would argue that those who think that the important things to consider in the Trayvon Martin case are how many times Zimmerman called 911, and whether police actually took his gun away before they cut him loose are the ones being played.<br /><br />By Somerby. So how does it feel to be one of his "rubes"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78868623726837913622012-03-27T18:33:57.974-04:002012-03-27T18:33:57.974-04:00Well, if Joe Oliver said so, then it must be true!...Well, if Joe Oliver said so, then it must be true!<br /><br />By the time the right wing is done spinning this, Zimmerman will be a 98-pound weakling and Trayvon will be Muhammad Ali in his prime!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56098921922181125962012-03-27T18:31:06.117-04:002012-03-27T18:31:06.117-04:00This is about the use that certain members of the ...This is about the use that certain members of the media is making of Martin's death, a use that divides people into tribes by warping facts to fit preconceived ideas that make one tribe feel superior to the other tribe. This blog is always about rube-running, not the ineptitude of the media or anyone's death.<br /><br />The focus on misuse of facts (or absence of facts to support a claim) is to illustrate HOW rube running is accomplish and to make it clear that we are being played.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84739224186275671442012-03-27T18:19:44.900-04:002012-03-27T18:19:44.900-04:00"How do you know he has no history of violenc..."How do you know he has no history of violence?"<br /><br />No one has produced one, that's how.The Real Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19386724378459262032012-03-27T17:53:09.143-04:002012-03-27T17:53:09.143-04:00From the Orlando Sentinel comments:
kinghusseinod...From the Orlando Sentinel comments:<br /><br />kinghusseinodumbo at 2:03 PM March 27, 2012 <br />Oh, okay. So the innocent pics there with him as an angel were put there as a fake? The only thing fake is posting pictures from when he was little, instead of the 6"3" brute that he was when he attacked zimmy<br /><br />Zimmy???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4547320646293641662012-03-27T17:38:30.382-04:002012-03-27T17:38:30.382-04:00Should be interesting to find out how the witness ...Should be interesting to find out how the witness came to believe it was Trayvon Martin screaming and not Zimmerman, especially since she probably never heard either one of their voices before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64831001426266663802012-03-27T17:36:57.445-04:002012-03-27T17:36:57.445-04:00How do you know he has no history of violence?How do you know he has no history of violence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58392960444893459072012-03-27T17:34:40.608-04:002012-03-27T17:34:40.608-04:00Zimmerman's friend Joe Oliver said Zimmerman h...Zimmerman's friend Joe Oliver said Zimmerman had lost weight and was not the fatty you saw in the media. In other words you know nothing about the relative size of these two men. We do know Trayvon Martin was much taller.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58121848434067228622012-03-27T17:20:55.927-04:002012-03-27T17:20:55.927-04:00Bob,
Just a reminder: Trayvon Martin is still dead...Bob,<br />Just a reminder: Trayvon Martin is still dead.<br />You can critique the ineptitude of the media till kingdom comes. But Trayvon Martin is still dead.<br />We will hear from Zimmerman; we will hear from the local police. They will lie their asses off to declaim any responsibility.<br />But Trayvon Martin is still dead.king quakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44159567046815508252012-03-27T16:44:47.632-04:002012-03-27T16:44:47.632-04:00"Should whether Zimmerman is lying or telling..."Should whether Zimmerman is lying or telling the truth change our views on what the laws should be (there are some interesting questions regarding the subtleties of self-defense laws)?"<br /><br />Absolutely. Only the Ten Commandments were chiseled in stone.<br /><br />The issue of what should be done when there are no eyewitnesses to the actual shooting was argued exhaustively in legislatures. <br />Just this situation had been predicted, and legislators and governors decided it was not that important.<br /><br />A similar case occurred in Arizona.<br />In 2004 a hiker shot another hiker dead because he thought the man’s dogs, and then the man, were going to attack him.<br />The shooter claimed he knew that by the look in the man’s eyes that he was going to kill him.<br />The investigating officers thought that was enough justification. A jury didn't.<br /><br />At that time it was the shooter that had to prove justification. <br />The shooter was convicted in 2006 to 10 years for second-degree murder.<br />The shooter became a poster boy for the National Rifle Association.<br /><br />In 2009 the conviction was reversed on appeal.<br />In 2011 the prosecution decided not to retry. The shooter was released.<br />The law had been changed so that prosecutors have to prove that deadly force was NOT justified. It is now a Stand Your Ground law. It now allows testimony of past violent behavior to be admitted into evidence to a jury, which is normally not allowed unless both sides agree to it. State v. Fish<br /><br />The original law was rewritten because it was flawed.<br /><br />If the Florida law is flawed, it should be fixed after review.<br /><br />Just because someone wants to speak for the dead doesn't mean they are after blood.<br />Laws are not written solely to discourage crime. There is an element of punishment and retribution as well.<br /><br />And of course the media are after blood. Not because reporters and editors hate George Zimmerman, but because this case creates bylines and boosts circulation.<br />It's nothing personal, just businessgravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55129348814919414492012-03-27T16:06:53.367-04:002012-03-27T16:06:53.367-04:00"And these days the news media reflects our b..."And these days the news media reflects our baser sides."<br /><br />All culture does this.waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02169019514161120820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16201843216136743752012-03-27T15:59:39.218-04:002012-03-27T15:59:39.218-04:00I once attended a panel discussion many moons ago ...I once attended a panel discussion many moons ago about the Rodney King beating. The "conservative" (and I hate to call him that), condemned the "media" for only playing that portion of the video tape that showed the circle of cops surrounding King and kicking him and beating him with clubs.<br /><br />He actually said that the media deliberately conspired to keep the public from seeing what went on BEFORE the beating, specifically, how hard King had fought against a whole gaggle of cops, leaving the cops no choice but to beat the holy hell out of him once they had him helpless on the ground. After all, he might have gotten up and fought some more, requiring the cops to shoot him. So King really got off easy.<br /><br />There were hoots from the audience, but the best remark came from a 16-year-old girl, whom I will try to quote as accurately as I remember: "I don't need to see anything else. What I saw was bad enough."<br /><br />The pushback about Trayvon's alleged pot use, or his school suspensions is exactly the same tactic -- divert your brain from what you actually DO know about this case by concentrating only on what you don't know, and really, don't need to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com