tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post3829806049487385013..comments2024-03-18T23:40:21.985-04:00Comments on the daily howler: O'Donnell plays the Mormon card!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6108182837710498512012-04-08T00:34:16.399-04:002012-04-08T00:34:16.399-04:00Yes, some Mormons behaved despicably in 1857. I&#...Yes, some Mormons behaved despicably in 1857. I'll amend my comment to say that I can't think of any Mormons who behaved badly in the last 155 years.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83970910810127718012012-04-06T14:17:56.125-04:002012-04-06T14:17:56.125-04:00Jack Anderson was one sleazy (if wonderfully color...Jack Anderson was one sleazy (if wonderfully colorful) character. <br /><br /> As I've said, I've no problem with Politicos being asking, in a respectful fashion, <br /> to put their political positions in the context of their religions faith. Had Nixon <br /> been asked to behave like a Quaker, the lives of Millions of people might have<br /> been spared.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88006451806195620852012-04-06T14:14:57.341-04:002012-04-06T14:14:57.341-04:00Ever heard of the Fancher party?Ever heard of the Fancher party?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-337340400475777572012-04-06T11:32:25.533-04:002012-04-06T11:32:25.533-04:00Romney can't go after Obama's Protestantis...Romney can't go after Obama's Protestantism because most voters are Protestant. Romney can go after Obama's secularism, because most voters are religious. <br /><br />In the old days, opponents could have gone after Obama's race, but that kind of bigotry is unacceptible today. Similarly, antisemitism against Joe Lieberman would have been unacceptible as would anti-Hispanic bigotry against Sonia Sotomayor..<br /><br />Unfortunately, bigotry against Mormons is acceptible and prevalent. Bigotry against Mormons is strange, because Mormons are particularly upright citizens. Look at all the famous Mormons, such as Jon Huntsman, Harry Reid, Harmon Killebrew, Johnny Miller, Danny Ainge, Jack Anderson, Billy Barty, the Osmunds, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latter_Day_Saints#Artists" rel="nofollow">a host of others.</a> Meanwhile, I cannot think of a single Mormon infamous for being a gangster, a murderer, a welfare cheat, a swindler, a criminal of any sort, nor any Mormon noted for being an adulterer or otherwise immoral. Really, Romney's religion ought to be a plus.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48865330995950131432012-04-06T10:14:03.385-04:002012-04-06T10:14:03.385-04:00Romney can't go after Obama's Protestantis...Romney can't go after Obama's Protestantism because Obama's supposed to be a closet Muslim, Alex. Romney won't sully himself by stooping to that level of wingnuttery, but invoking Obama as a secularist is the next best thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54661025948708476872012-04-06T08:01:45.711-04:002012-04-06T08:01:45.711-04:00When a liberal gets declared "shrill," h...When a liberal gets declared "shrill," he or she has won the internet. So go bob.<br /><br />Eye for an eye leaves us all blind. Going after Romney's religion because he called Obama "secular" (no, that does not mean "atheist," and no there's nothing wrong with being an atheist) wouldn't even be justified if Romney had made fun of Obama's actual religion, like by saying that Martin Luther was anti-semitic and asking Obama to respond to anti-semitic statements from 500 years ago.Alex Blazehttp://handsupgunsout.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89778975248677724042012-04-06T04:16:47.250-04:002012-04-06T04:16:47.250-04:00Braintree here from a public computer.
I'm no...Braintree here from a public computer.<br /><br />I'm not Bob Somerby, but it seems to me that times have changed. The news media is no longer the eternal swallower of right-wing propaganda it once was where every crackpot accusation against the Clintons or Al Gore was breathlessly repeated by dimbulbs terrified of being accused of liberal bias. And then there was the infinite BS of what a great plain-talking stright shooter Bush supposedly was. P.U. Today, the Republicans get roasted occasionally by the networks that aren't Fox and we even sort of have our own network with MSNBC. It seems sort of natrual to me that that being the case Bob's focus is going to land somewhere else to reflect the new reality. <br /><br />Now that we have our own network, wouldn't it be great if we had really competent hosts who were a lot more in the habit of getting their facts straight? I'm a big fan of Chris Hayes but otherwise it looks to me as if we're asking far too little of Those Who Blab at Us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51664769281379313052012-04-06T01:31:44.175-04:002012-04-06T01:31:44.175-04:00Without the context of explaining Romney's &qu...Without the context of explaining Romney's "religion problem" as evidenced by the Gallup poll to explain why Romney was "swiftboating" Obama's religion?<br /><br />Like I said, I found O'Donnell's comments about Mormonism over the line, while at the same time, Romney's attempt to "swiftboat" Obama to be right out of the Karl Rove playbook with one exception -- he did it himself and not through a surrogate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36225815748986341352012-04-06T01:27:16.508-04:002012-04-06T01:27:16.508-04:00David, your original statement was that "Fox ...David, your original statement was that "Fox has never attacked a member of a minority group based on ethnic stereotypes."<br /><br />I gave you an example. Now you say it doesn't count because Fox didn't accuse Muslims of marrying a 9 year old.<br /><br />Pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4327859367442965692012-04-06T01:21:51.031-04:002012-04-06T01:21:51.031-04:00Yep, quite a bit of media speculation about the qu...Yep, quite a bit of media speculation about the quality of Kerry's Catholicism. Guess it's one of those "It's OK If You Are Republican" things to bring up a Democrat's religion, because the new Bob certainly doesn't have a word to say about Romney calling Obama a "secularist" waging a carefully thought out War on Religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8631031023918578802012-04-05T23:47:38.036-04:002012-04-05T23:47:38.036-04:00Now I remember why I stopped reading your shrillne...Now I remember why I stopped reading your shrillness. You're as bad as those you rail against. how about some plain facts, and let the reader draw their own conclusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87607833502262341622012-04-05T23:17:22.003-04:002012-04-05T23:17:22.003-04:00An eye for an eye?
Why didn't O'Donnell s...An eye for an eye? <br />Why didn't O'Donnell simply point out that Romney was trying to paint Obama as an atheistTGGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47698688579317998232012-04-05T21:04:13.190-04:002012-04-05T21:04:13.190-04:00Actually, I remember quite a bit of hay being made...Actually, I remember quite a bit of hay being made out of Kerry's Catholicism at the time, and whether his pro-choice position was going to cost him Catholic votes, earn him excommunication, etc. Perhaps Bob was napping in the woods?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24536467445625940102012-04-05T20:36:41.819-04:002012-04-05T20:36:41.819-04:00Not only does this column by Julianne Malveaux con...Not only does this <a href="http://www.themadisontimes.com/news_details.php?news_id=1886" rel="nofollow">column by Julianne Malveaux</a> contain many errors, it implies that Zimmerman hunted down Martin and shot him in cold blood. E.g., discussing a nephew who was confronted by an armed policeman (who happened to be black!) Malveaux says, "Anyi had so many witnesses around him that the police officer could not pull a Trayvon on him." She says, "This is post-racial America. You can shoot and kill a young black man in a hoodie then claim self-defense because you find him threatening."<br /><br />What I find sad and worrisome is that Malveaux's POV is probably common in the black community. No good can come from this level of misunderstanding.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88154916980914505012012-04-05T19:36:27.438-04:002012-04-05T19:36:27.438-04:00I did not follow any of Fox's coverage of the ...I did not follow any of Fox's coverage of the "Mosque at Ground Zero". However, I would bet that Fox did not use the allegation that Mohammed married a 9-year old child to belittle current-day Muslims. That's a fair analogy to what O'Donnell did to Romney IMHO.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86362995388175791362012-04-05T19:25:19.361-04:002012-04-05T19:25:19.361-04:00Wow, did you write Anon 11:52? If so, pot, kettle...Wow, did you write Anon 11:52? If so, pot, kettle, black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71651277524860647262012-04-05T19:19:20.077-04:002012-04-05T19:19:20.077-04:00As Sherrlock said, the "schoolmaster routine ...As Sherrlock said, the "schoolmaster routine gets old fast." How's that for a site?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73566875615750140532012-04-05T19:15:06.380-04:002012-04-05T19:15:06.380-04:00How about Fox's coverage of immigration?How about Fox's coverage of immigration?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27373721487012833402012-04-05T19:14:36.469-04:002012-04-05T19:14:36.469-04:00Did you follow any of Fox's coverage of the &q...Did you follow any of Fox's coverage of the "Mosque at Ground Zero"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6812037745132335982012-04-05T19:13:03.703-04:002012-04-05T19:13:03.703-04:00My spelling is atrocious. I am sorry.
Your logic...My spelling is atrocious. I am sorry.<br /><br />Your logic is still faulty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39007805272082180912012-04-05T19:06:05.632-04:002012-04-05T19:06:05.632-04:00No, I won't. Because a nitwit who doesn't ...No, I won't. Because a nitwit who doesn't know the difference between "site" and "cite" is beyond education, and is trolling.<br /><br />Once is a mistake. Twice in two posts in the span of 38 minutes is stupidity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39294712627601021072012-04-05T19:01:30.066-04:002012-04-05T19:01:30.066-04:00Again, speaking for myself, I am "upset"...Again, speaking for myself, I am "upset" (if you want to call it that) with the new Bob because the old Bob used to be an equal opportunity analyst.<br /><br />He did a brilliant and extensive takedown of Ann Coulter's "Slander," pointing out how poorly researched it was despite the reviews that were so impressed with her voluminous endnotes, which they called footnotes. And when you looked at her cited sources, they seldom said what Coulter claimed, and often said the opposite.<br /><br />Same with Bernie Goldberg's "Bias" in which Somerby also noted what a free and frequent ride Goldberg was getting on Fox to peddle the old myth about liberal bias in the media and how rarely "conservative" voices were heard -- a claim laughable on its face.<br /><br />And now, we meet the new Bob feeding off that very myth -- that somehow, there is a great liberal media conspiracy out to get poor George Zimmerman.<br /><br />It's really a sad thing to watch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7823963544199276102012-04-05T18:54:40.670-04:002012-04-05T18:54:40.670-04:00"And you know, Bob? Been working that way wit..."And you know, Bob? Been working that way with pundits since time began. They can make you cringe and think at the same time."<br /><br />Nah. Just cringe.KTWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47711843066150485032012-04-05T18:54:16.147-04:002012-04-05T18:54:16.147-04:00Yes, O'Donnell was disgusting. He should be s...Yes, O'Donnell was disgusting. He should be summarily fired for that ugly, vicious bigotry.<br /><br />I would quibble with Bob's last sentence, attributing that sort of behavior to "cable 'news' channels" generally. Some of the hosts on Fox News Channel can be obnoxious or ill-informed, but AFAIK FNC has never attacked a member of a minority group based on ethnic stereotypes the way O'Donnell did.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52025884550695309392012-04-05T18:53:37.948-04:002012-04-05T18:53:37.948-04:00anon 3:38, the misdirection post was for you. I w...anon 3:38, the misdirection post was for you. I wonder if you will answer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com