tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post4014509360592279509..comments2024-03-28T04:12:17.506-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Malala Yousafzai visits Fort Lee! <b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74564874972937186982014-01-10T15:05:20.399-05:002014-01-10T15:05:20.399-05:00Anonymous @10:49A
FAR MORE? Maybe just far more....Anonymous @10:49A<br /><br />FAR MORE? Maybe just far more. Using the google on the site msnbc.com turns up four stories about the $12M special election. Perhaps that doesn't reflect the number of times the story was covered on air. I wouldn't know, partly because I don't own a TV.<br /><br />I think TDH underestimated both the size and the importance of Bridgegate. But that doesn't mean he was wrong about much of Maddow's coverage. She did hype the story back when she had no real information to impart, thus TDH's tut-tutting about a favorite topic, journalists attracted to the sensational at the expense of the important. I also think it's unfair to make a comparison to the $12M special election. It wasn't illegal, it was no secret. What was there to cover beyond Christie's ego?<br /><br /><pedantics><br />New Jersey doesn't classify its crimes as misdemeanors or felonies. It has minor offenses and four "degrees" of larger crimes. All four degrees have possible jail time of a year or more, so they are all what other states call felonies. A theft of $200 or more triggers theft in the fourth degree.<br /></pedantics><br /><br />But really? You're complaining because you think TDH meant "theft" literally as a crime of the first degree under New Jersey law? Are you going to take Maddow to task for saying that Bridgegate "destroyed" Fort Lee or that had Christie retaliated in the same way against every town in New Jersey run by a Democrat, then the whole state would have been a "smoking ruin"?<br /><br />And, for God's sake, get up off the fainting couch. Nothing TDH said about Maddow can reasonably be called "vile" or personal. He called her a partisan hack for her work. I could conjure more insulting language in my sleep. And have.<br />deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69765038689180140162014-01-10T13:53:23.574-05:002014-01-10T13:53:23.574-05:00CeceliaMc,
I "extrapolated as a tacit admiss...CeceliaMc,<br /><br />I "extrapolated as a tacit admission"?!?<br /><br />Did I say it or not? I'm not interested in what you imagined I implied. Just stick to the facts.<br /><br />Understand, I am not attacking you personally. I just enjoy a good debate and would prefer to stick to the facts.<br /><br />Your criticism of Maddow seems to be reduced to the fact that you just don't like the way she teased the segments on this subject with too much enthusiasm. I'm sure that if she had just introduced the segments in a soft expressionless monotone you would have no problems, eh?mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48431496140040818252014-01-10T13:38:32.631-05:002014-01-10T13:38:32.631-05:00Anon 1:03, and that's no way to treat a truth-...Anon 1:03, and that's no way to treat a truth-seeker like you, is it?CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65457001150303061162014-01-10T13:37:02.224-05:002014-01-10T13:37:02.224-05:00Anon1:01pm, it's difficult to claim that someo...Anon1:01pm, it's difficult to claim that someone parrots someone they don't read, but that hasn't stopped you.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12716788314820205922014-01-10T13:09:32.554-05:002014-01-10T13:09:32.554-05:00mm, you extrapolated as a tacit admission. That w...mm, you extrapolated as a tacit admission. That why today you reverenced the exchange in order to say that I just "reflexively" agree with Bob.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-855272425733947752014-01-10T13:06:15.523-05:002014-01-10T13:06:15.523-05:00You want unhinged? Take a gander at Somerby's ...You want unhinged? Take a gander at Somerby's latest "CNN-Sole Survivor-March of the Penguins-Diana Ravitch-MSNBC-NYT-Chris Christie screed.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81170156718013751552014-01-10T13:03:41.545-05:002014-01-10T13:03:41.545-05:00And you still avoid the direct question of whether...And you still avoid the direct question of whether you read the transcripts, or saw the interviews, or just read Somerby's take on it.<br /><br />I should be happy that there is at least something you won't lie about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75549231722401119052014-01-10T13:01:40.592-05:002014-01-10T13:01:40.592-05:00Cecelia, this is also proof that you neither saw t...Cecelia, this is also proof that you neither saw the interview or bothered to read the transcripts.<br /><br />Because if you had, you would have seen that Sokolich did not "refuse" the opportunity to "strike back." He struck back. Hard. In very strong language. In BOTH interviews.<br /><br />Oh, I forgot. He was "baited" by the cunning Chris Hayes. Those weren't really his words. Let's not believe our lyin' eyes and ears. Let's wait until Somerby says it's OK before we decide to "love" the next Malala, the next King.<br /><br />Yep, pleasing tale. Sweet hay for the cattle.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24588530085280635872014-01-10T12:59:19.037-05:002014-01-10T12:59:19.037-05:00Two weeks ago liberals here couldn't state str...Two weeks ago liberals here couldn't state strongly enough how inconsequential and irrelavant Maddow was/is in the world of liberal discourse. Now, it's downright indecent to not marvel at her remarkable "instincts". Bullshit. She had no idea that those emails existed, and yes she did get way out in front of the facts as they were known. And yes she did tease the story like a partisan hack. BTW, the last time I was told to be in awe of someone's "instincts" GW Bush was making a case for invading Iraq. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10702014742627115432014-01-10T12:55:54.564-05:002014-01-10T12:55:54.564-05:00CeceliaMc,
This is pointless to go any further wi...CeceliaMc,<br /><br />This is pointless to go any further with you on this subject.<br /><br />Show me where I ever accused you of admitting you don't watch the show.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48825074491584843262014-01-10T12:32:00.363-05:002014-01-10T12:32:00.363-05:00One of the main differences between Dems & Rep...<i> One of the main differences between Dems & Repubs is an emphasis on fairness and justice among liberals. That translate to an unwillingness to use the same underhanded methods as the conservatives.</i><br /><br />That used to be a comfortable conceit. It has been proven entirely false. The character of a "progressive" is in no way superior to that of a conservative. MSNBC is as bad as or worse than FOX and the tribal left is every bit as hateful, bigoted, dishonest, and vindictive as the right. It probably edges the right on self-righteous hypocrisy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11183735213357314292014-01-10T12:24:24.352-05:002014-01-10T12:24:24.352-05:00But OK, let's say that Christie doesn't kn...<i>But OK, let's say that Christie doesn't know his mayors. What does that make him? Lazy? Arrogant? Or both?</i><br /><br />It makes him "normal." <br /><br />It's likely Christie knows state legislators, and every governor of every other state. There's no reason he should be able to pick a particular mayor out of a lineup.<br /><br />The effort invested in the tribe holding on to stupid is impressive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79658620421773606262014-01-10T12:22:20.771-05:002014-01-10T12:22:20.771-05:00Actually, Anon 1152am, what you did was to read th...Actually, Anon 1152am, what you did was to read the exchange above and then use my statement about Sokolich to further the argument that I just parrot Somerby.<br /><br />I said Somerby was on his own in his comparison of Sokolich to King and Malala.<br /><br />Though I know Bob means that Sokolich refused a very convenient opportunity to strike back, the comparison is too trivializing of the physical and mental suffering of King and Malala.<br /><br />That said, "characters" are often assholes. They're often consummate politicians who have sense enough to claim that their's was not the knife that intended to kill Caesar.<br /><br />I can't help loving the mayor.<br /><br /><br /><br />CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67840014977963353672014-01-10T12:17:36.778-05:002014-01-10T12:17:36.778-05:00You two sound unhinged. You two sound unhinged. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62198714492949810502014-01-10T12:05:46.386-05:002014-01-10T12:05:46.386-05:00Anon 1146am, no, I see it as an apple and oranges ...Anon 1146am, no, I see it as an apple and oranges device that has no understanding of the context in which I bemoaned the airing of charges.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75977893390794470372014-01-10T12:01:34.536-05:002014-01-10T12:01:34.536-05:00mm, isn't that the expectation you had from me...mm, isn't that the expectation you had from me back when this exchange (which YOU referenced first today) happened?<br /><br />Didn't you extrapolate my asking you if Maddow has never aired charges via guests, as soley being an admission that I don't watch?CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40276728444373624172014-01-10T11:56:16.100-05:002014-01-10T11:56:16.100-05:00Jeeves
"Texas-influenced part of Oklahoma&qu...Jeeves<br /><br />"Texas-influenced part of Oklahoma"<br /><br /> It is true that any change to Oklahoma is an improvement, but Texas?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32136235087379954252014-01-10T11:52:29.528-05:002014-01-10T11:52:29.528-05:00You can't answer a direct question, can you?
...You can't answer a direct question, can you?<br /><br />Yes, I read the Blitzer transcript, and I actually saw the Hayes interview in real time. So once again, you look like a fool.<br /><br />And Cecelia? You don't even bother to say whether your read the transcripts, only that there was a link to them.<br /><br />Geez Louise! You're only reading Somerby's take on it before you decided you "love the guy." And please, do not claim now that you read them. Too late.<br /><br />Here's my take that you will no doubt ignore: Based on the interview I saw and the one I read, the guy said a lot of good things. He at times was conciliatory, and at times was combative. A reasonable person can conclude he was either or both.<br /><br />But a reasonable person would also need more than two interviews and Somerby's take before deciding they "love the guy."<br /><br />He could be a total asshole for all I know. Or the nicest guy walking the planet.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41242354213416152732014-01-10T11:46:38.821-05:002014-01-10T11:46:38.821-05:00Well, I'd call "Christie committed the th...Well, I'd call "Christie committed the theft of $12 million" is "airing charges."<br /><br />But I'm going to guess that Cecelia doesn't see it that way.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18902242668571724662014-01-10T11:46:05.656-05:002014-01-10T11:46:05.656-05:00CeceliaMc,
What the hell is wrong with you?
Now ...CeceliaMc,<br /><br />What the hell is wrong with you?<br /><br />Now you keep making these snide comments about my "viewing habits". <br /><br />"I'm starting to think that your Maddow viewing habits are hit or miss."CeceliaMc<br /><br />"Could this be because you haven't been watching?"CeceliaMc<br /><br />"...your implication that you assiduously follow this issue on her show."CeceliaMc<br /><br />"Just your verdict based upon your intimate knowledge of the Maddow segments on Bridgegate."CeceliaMc<br /><br /><br />"...and hanging on her every word..."CeceliaMc<br /><br />I don't appreciate your snide tone and accusations that I ever claimed I had an encyclopedic knowledge and recall of everything ever "aired" on the Rachel Maddow show related to this topic. <br /><br />You're the one making the claim. Either put up or shut up. <br /><br /><br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58423133701751985842014-01-10T11:41:21.731-05:002014-01-10T11:41:21.731-05:00I wonder what his audience is down to. A few like ...I wonder what his audience is down to. A few like hankest and myself who stick around hoping he returns to his senses. Those who left long ago but still check in occasionally then leave again when they learn he hasn't returned to his senses. Hard-core groupies like CeceliaMc who thinks there were five evangelists -- Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Bob.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65327432256516768582014-01-10T11:40:59.009-05:002014-01-10T11:40:59.009-05:00And we're not shy, no!
Neither about our cha...And we're not shy, no! <br /><br />Neither about our charming humbleness nor our impressive powers of discernment...Jus' Folksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79617398520607748402014-01-10T11:36:45.792-05:002014-01-10T11:36:45.792-05:00"that 'airing charges' means airing c..."that 'airing charges' means airing charges..."<br /><br /><br />I actually don't know what "airing charges" means. What do you mean by that? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59513623105977874932014-01-10T11:36:39.933-05:002014-01-10T11:36:39.933-05:00You don't know what "war" is, obviou...You don't know what "war" is, obviously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20969437732052124452014-01-10T11:30:01.365-05:002014-01-10T11:30:01.365-05:00What's unfortunate, Anon 11:16am, is that you ...What's unfortunate, Anon 11:16am, is that you had to resort to a parody that misrepresents anything said by Somerby or me.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.com