tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post4277887948902283806..comments2024-03-29T10:16:05.568-04:00Comments on the daily howler: OBAMA IN BEDLAM: Many more years!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22990268101994392572013-02-28T22:18:36.033-05:002013-02-28T22:18:36.033-05:00I erotic love these lilliputian spirits that is lo...I erotic love these lilliputian spirits that is low-cost & telling.<br />Littlest Pet buy at As the constitute implies, the Littlest <br />On that point are fun, inexpensive owl gifts. The question is which four <br />is friends for some suggestions, and every small hint you get relating to this dilemma, <br />you do sure you bill it mastered.<br /><br />Also visit my website: <a href="http://owl-gifts-decor.com/owl-kitchen-decor" rel="nofollow">owl kitchen decor</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43767077762036735342012-07-22T18:28:50.119-04:002012-07-22T18:28:50.119-04:00Of course! To a cult follower, the cult leader is ...Of course! To a cult follower, the cult leader is the smartest person in the world!<br /><br />Thank you for straightening me out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76893401950813398912012-07-22T13:07:51.476-04:002012-07-22T13:07:51.476-04:00No, not partisan but rather somewhat selective. Ou...No, not partisan but rather somewhat selective. Our high end media it appears is a bit arbitrary when it comes to setting a standard for "transparency". Perhaps we shouldn't notice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1229743934406980642012-07-22T10:49:06.917-04:002012-07-22T10:49:06.917-04:00"And how about focusing on Mormonism, it'..."And how about focusing on Mormonism, it's not Christianity, it's a weird 19th Century cult, that would impact that 47%."<br /><br />We saw no such impacts in the way Romney governed Massachusetts, saved the Salt Lake City Olympics, or in his business work. <br /><br />I don't think candidates should be judged based on their religious practices. However, if you do so, the church Obama attended in Chicago for 20 years is nothing to write home about.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68725636068493706242012-07-22T08:50:10.758-04:002012-07-22T08:50:10.758-04:00Again I ask, what have you got against MSNBC comme...Again I ask, what have you got against MSNBC commentators. No matter what the subject you manage to sneak in some sort of cheap shot. You're churlish and childish and I stop reading at that point.<br /><br />That said I did managed to get your point by the 2nd paragraph. The rest of the column is just bloviating repetition.<br /><br />The concern is not Romney's tax returns, or his disgraceful business practices, it's the fact that 47% of the people blindly support this noxious turd.<br /><br />And how about focusing on Mormonism, it's not Christianity, it's a weird 19th Century cult, that would impact that 47%.<br /><br />Oh yeah, MIKE, economists are like the high priests of any religion, only their God is the True God. Economic theories are as Scientific as Creationism.nooneyouknowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07913952278746528599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26763426850959300802012-07-22T01:53:23.428-04:002012-07-22T01:53:23.428-04:00Hey Bob
1) You're not as good a writer as you...Hey Bob<br /><br />1) You're not as good a writer as you think you are - could you make you sentences any more convoluted - I doubt it?<br />2) There is a problem with the press corp - but it's not the one you keep going on about.<br />3) If you have something concrete to say about the state of the world - say it - commenting on the commenters is so David Brooks and just as tedious.Pinkybumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14966880596265799283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7181412698305951792012-07-21T21:04:11.001-04:002012-07-21T21:04:11.001-04:00Bob seems to be questioning whether the current ca...Bob seems to be questioning whether the current campaign approach will work. The Dems say that Romney once strapped a dog's cage to the roof of a car, that he's very rich, and that he only released two years of income tax returns. Meanwhile, the Reps tell voters that Obama's policies ruined the economy and destroyed millions of jobs. <br /><br />Bob seems to think that the Dem message is weaker than the Rep message.David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46737215485413942272012-07-21T20:02:06.770-04:002012-07-21T20:02:06.770-04:00Bob's 3 step election plan:
1. Run a high mi...Bob's 3 step election plan:<br /><br />1. Run a high minded, informed campaign that meets the Howler's exacting standards. No deviations.<br /><br />2. Lose<br /><br />3. Spend your remaining time on Planet Earth blaming Maureen Dowd for your defeat.Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56571509466529835162012-07-21T18:14:24.418-04:002012-07-21T18:14:24.418-04:00And it's an amazingly weak case, as it always ...And it's an amazingly weak case, as it always is when Bob tries to dismiss his own flagrant sophistry with the preemptive lizard bit. But of course, if his argument is that all calls for Tax records are partisan, then it's a case against against transparency. And he IS taking a stance: he doesn't care. His case is that Romney is being picked on is based on other candidates wives being pressured into disclosure!Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42340466350424912882012-07-21T16:23:42.896-04:002012-07-21T16:23:42.896-04:00So to sum up and clarify, Bob isn't taking a s...So to sum up and clarify, Bob isn't taking a stance on whether Obama, Romney or anyone *should* fork over tax returns. He's just arguing the media hasn't made as a big a stink about other candidates tax returns, or about sussing out the finances of other extremely wealthy candidates. <br /><br />He's taking a stance on the media and it's reporting. Not transparency, tax returns, or anything else.Dereknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19046717871988025022012-07-21T14:29:36.152-04:002012-07-21T14:29:36.152-04:00I think it'll be a list of MMTers with Jamie G...I think it'll be a list of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory" rel="nofollow">MMTers</a> with Jamie Galbraith thrown in for good measure.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57710141039515349162012-07-21T13:58:55.557-04:002012-07-21T13:58:55.557-04:00Well, speaking just for me, I will be lodging a th...Well, speaking just for me, I will be lodging a third party (safe state) vote for whoever this year. Obama's continuation of the worst of the Military polices and wars makes it impossible to endorse. But that has to do with Defense issues, and TDH doesn't do Defense. <br /> It also has nothing to do with the terrible flub job Bob has done on the Income Tax issue, and I would expect Obama or any other Dem to fork over that information as well.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-13245986817916799832012-07-21T13:51:40.837-04:002012-07-21T13:51:40.837-04:00I've got a feeling that list is going to come ...I've got a feeling that list is going to come down to Thomas Sowell, who will get extra points for not playing the race card!Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51977033931425731762012-07-21T13:49:06.752-04:002012-07-21T13:49:06.752-04:00Um... I would start with "All the financial i...Um... I would start with "All the financial information it needs." So here it is TDH who is judging the returns sight unseen, though I guess he tries to cover this with the blanket "I don't care." Bob's post represents a willful tit for tatism that is at least half insane. <br /> It's mostly forgotten that part of the presses misbehavior in 2000 was ignoring some of Bush's very, very dubious background in business. They very nearly let it slide that he was not disclosing a criminal record as well! It is part of the presses obligation to provide information to voters about the candidates, and Romney's dodge her is outlandish enough to be decried on the right! We should not care that Bob does not care.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65121110610453288112012-07-21T13:04:21.651-04:002012-07-21T13:04:21.651-04:00No, "We don't know WHAT Mr. Romney is hid...No, "We don't know WHAT Mr. Romney is hiding" clearly implies he is hiding something. Thanks for pointing that out CMike - I missed that at first. That said, while I am always grateful for Somerby's perspective, I think it's ridiculous to compare the media's treatment of the finances of Mr./Mrs. McCain and Mr./Mrs. Kerry to its treatment of Romney's finances, given the following differences between those earlier situations and the current one:<br /><br />1) the massive recent and current global economic troubles caused by the financial services industry<br />2) the fact that Romney amassed hundreds of millions working in that industry<br />3) it is a core argument of Romney's campaign that such "success" is in large part why voters should choose him<br />4) it is the candidate himself, not his spouse, we are talking about <br /><br />But beyond that, I have a question for Somerby: if Romney is really the worst presidential candidate in recent history (which includes George W. Bush, by the way) as you have claimed more than once, and he can possibly be defeated via a perhaps hypocritical insistence that he disclose more financial information than other candidates, who the fuck cares? Are you really so myopic as to suggest that absolute consistency in the press corps' treatment of candidates' finances is more important than things like preventing the possible dismantling of Social Security and Medicare, preventing further deregulation of financial and other corporations (Romney has vowed to get rid of Sarbanes-Oxley!...the law meant to prevent more Enrons), preventing the appointment of more extreme conservatives to the Supreme Court, possibly preventing more unnecessary military aggression, etc., etc., etc.?Mike Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52652218639018288232012-07-21T12:08:15.787-04:002012-07-21T12:08:15.787-04:00Just to clear things up, how about your own list M...Just to clear things up, how about your own list Mike of those whom you would consider to be today's "sober... real economists," those economists with vibrant reputations who are among us in these times spreading the good news from the one true grail. (By the way, Krugman has written about and discussed his reasons for becoming "a public intellectual." See <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/03/01/100301fa_fact_macfarquhar?currentPage=2" rel="nofollow">page 2, here,</a> for instance.)CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26896666267490145372012-07-21T11:08:31.014-04:002012-07-21T11:08:31.014-04:00and now that most of those media scoundrels that e...and now that most of those media scoundrels that elected bush now support the obamacrats - the obama fanboys just cant STAND IT that bob is still attacking the media for their ignorance, and incompetence.<br /><br />guess this is because the fanboys themselves represent ignorance as well as obama really is an incompetent amateur.tlhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00866823654717010219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81953711833066405012012-07-21T11:04:34.529-04:002012-07-21T11:04:34.529-04:00heres a more likely scenario.
bob's smart, yo...heres a more likely scenario.<br /><br />bob's smart, youre not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58526700673283278682012-07-21T11:02:30.906-04:002012-07-21T11:02:30.906-04:00its amazing how dim the obama fanboys are...i blam...its amazing how dim the obama fanboys are...i blame it on hius campaigns mindmeld with russert/matthews/dowd in 2007...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39724354032991726772012-07-21T11:00:15.971-04:002012-07-21T11:00:15.971-04:00uh, bob IS smarter than you hoss...uh, bob IS smarter than you hoss...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65174074158424343372012-07-21T10:58:22.627-04:002012-07-21T10:58:22.627-04:00buh bye ....
this column was again directly on th...buh bye ....<br /><br />this column was again directly on the money, funny how the obama fanboys cant handle the truth about their media allies and their shared idiocies...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40293694874433069792012-07-21T08:46:01.303-04:002012-07-21T08:46:01.303-04:00This was an excellent post. Unfortunately, Bob, I...This was an excellent post. Unfortunately, Bob, I think your allegiance to Krugman is going to crumble if you start looking at him critically. Most sober economists view Krugman's economic journalism the same way you view e.g. Diane Ravitch's education journalism. He's made a career as a public intellectual on on his faded reputation, which he never could have had as a real economist. He is as dishonest, hyperpartisan, and deluded as anyone on either end of the spectrum. You eat him up the way many non-educators (including most of my economist colleagues) eat up the drivel of people like Ravitch and Michelle Rhee. It seems like everybody agrees with the mainstream upper-class consensus on everything except what they know best. I just wish more people would make the connection, i.e. Gee, if they're so incredibly wrong on education maybe they're incredibly wrong on everything else too?mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86908771111300912842012-07-21T08:30:41.159-04:002012-07-21T08:30:41.159-04:00That would make sense, except that Bob wants HIS n...That would make sense, except that Bob wants HIS narrative driven hard that Romney is a shameless plutocrat out to plunder the pensions of middle class working folks with no regard for the people who live from paycheck to paycheck.<br /><br />Seems to me that the guy's might be kind of useful to look at in that regard, but they are "hands off" for Bob since all his hated pundits are screaming for them.<br /><br />As far as "making shit up to fit the narrative," sorry, but asking for Romney to provide his tax returns isn't quite the same as "making shit up" about Kerry wind-surfing or Gore spending his childhood in a "luxury" hotel, no matter how badly Bob wants to spin it that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47721906604832726572012-07-21T08:19:48.179-04:002012-07-21T08:19:48.179-04:00No, "We don't know" means "We d...No, "We don't know" means "We don't know." It doesn't mean "explicitly states Romney is hiding something."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46751599081355128522012-07-21T08:15:28.311-04:002012-07-21T08:15:28.311-04:00"Barely doing that."
If that's Bob&..."Barely doing that."<br /><br />If that's Bob's position, then that's where if falls apart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com