tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post4491863230273098357..comments2024-03-28T14:24:39.011-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Beyond the valley of the logicians!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36886123138645126022023-10-11T02:29:15.238-04:002023-10-11T02:29:15.238-04:00Another fanny has been summonedAnother fanny has been summonedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50622322112191998622022-12-14T18:55:37.453-05:002022-12-14T18:55:37.453-05:00Birds and mammals diverged over three hundred mill...Birds and mammals diverged over three hundred million years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85616402847368135732022-12-14T16:16:52.839-05:002022-12-14T16:16:52.839-05:006:43,
Easier to just say corporations, and the ric...6:43,<br />Easier to just say corporations, and the rich folk who own them, control the media. <br />Ever tell your boss(es), "Thanks for the input, but I'm gong to do the job the way I want to"?<br />If so, how'd it work out, for you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65961623113531319582022-12-14T16:06:13.368-05:002022-12-14T16:06:13.368-05:00Bigot. Bigot. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60118059075522016922022-12-14T09:27:06.617-05:002022-12-14T09:27:06.617-05:00No bird is a mammal. No mammal is a bird. These tw...No bird is a mammal. No mammal is a bird. These two classes are disjoint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42685457276065520952022-12-14T09:22:39.423-05:002022-12-14T09:22:39.423-05:00The indictments are coming. Bob better
subscribe t...The indictments are coming. Bob better<br />subscribe to Film Comment. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6233587116877579532022-12-14T07:20:58.183-05:002022-12-14T07:20:58.183-05:00Anonymouse 5:58am, it wasn’t Bob who consigned wor...Anonymouse 5:58am, it wasn’t Bob who consigned working class white women to romance novels, it was Anonymouse 5:58am. <br /><br />In other words- you. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20241756545390271882022-12-14T06:43:35.641-05:002022-12-14T06:43:35.641-05:00For much of American history, your typical journal...For much of American history, your typical journalist was not college educated. In fact, a lot of them hadn’t even finished high school. This was a low-status job. The kind of person who would become a journalist was the kid in the back of the room in school who couldn’t shut up, who couldn’t stop cracking wise, who thought that his job was to point out that the teacher was wrong about everything. And who put the teacher in charge anyway? And why does the teacher have power over us. Right? Somebody super anti-authoritarian, who was maybe even too anti-authoritarian to go work in the factory where all of his classmates were going to go after high school because he would’ve presented a danger. So he’d become a journalist, right? He’d go and he’d meet powerful people. And he’d demand justice and accountability on behalf of his friends who were toiling away in the factory, or who were plumbers or electricians or linemen. Journalists worked and lived in working-class neighborhoods. And they were part of the working class. It was a low-status, blue-collar trade. It was not a profession. And over the course of the 20th century, that really changed. And of course, it’s not just journalists. The whole Democratic coalition, the whole Democratic Party, the left that used to represent labor, used to be deeply embedded in the working class, today is really the side of the overeducated, the coastal, people with a certain kind of taste palette and setup and so forth. And what ended up happening was journalists now are, it’s one of the most educated professions in America, despite the fact that you can’t actually teach journalism in school, which is something that Americans knew for the vast majority of our history. It’s something that you do by going out and talking to people. Now over 92% of journalists have a college degree. The majority of them have a graduate degree. One in five journalists lives in Los Angeles, New York, or D.C. Seventy-five percent of digital media journalist jobs are on the coasts in those corridors. So there’s been a total profile shift in who journalists are. Today, journalists are the kid in the front of the class going, “Oh, me, me, me,” every time the teacher asks a question. “Me, me, me.” And the teacher has to pretend they can’t see them because otherwise they’d only be calling on them. These are people who are super comfortable with authority, super comfortable with massive government. They think that somebody should be telling everybody what to think and what to do, and they should be the ones in charge of that messaging. It’s just been a complete shift in the makeup of this class. And as journalists ascended to the elites, to where they’re making … they’re in the top 10% today. As they started to go to school with the scions of billionaires, of international billionaires, of people who are going to go on to become politicians or have super high-status jobs in America, the people that they end up covering, right? But they have class solidarity with. It shifted their focus because they ended up on the beneficiary end of the radical class divide in America. Nobody wanted to tell that story anymore. So instead they shifted the focus of inequality from class, which is where it really is, to things like race and gender in order to avoid talking about the ways in which they were implicated in the class divide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90676374459172451692022-12-14T05:58:41.331-05:002022-12-14T05:58:41.331-05:00If you were as clever as you pride yourself on bei...If you were as clever as you pride yourself on being, you'd know that Black working class people don't count in Bobworld, except when he talks about when he taught them lo, those many decades ago. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12889706529367409602022-12-14T03:59:04.487-05:002022-12-14T03:59:04.487-05:00Anonymouse 3:25pm, what do black working class peo...Anonymouse 3:25pm, what do black working class people read? Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90404465190064209062022-12-14T03:25:56.299-05:002022-12-14T03:25:56.299-05:00If the Times had more lowbrow film critics, white ...If the Times had more lowbrow film critics, white working class people would read the Times. Just like they read ... whatever it is white working class people read. Which is almost nothing, as I, someone who, unlike Bob, has spent much of my life around working class people can say with some confidence. You might find some women who read romance novels here and there, but that's almost entirely it. Institutions like the NYT develop the way they do for obvious reasons, as do trees grow in forests rather than the desert. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40417136297943230172022-12-14T03:08:45.663-05:002022-12-14T03:08:45.663-05:00Apparently one can't appreciate highbrow films...Apparently one can't appreciate highbrow films AND be able to competently review lower-brow fare as well. <br /><br />Whatever happened to that Joe Bob at the Drive-In dude? The NYT should hire him. Except then Bob would complain because they are both pandering to and insulting regular people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38746869912510320732022-12-14T01:06:34.579-05:002022-12-14T01:06:34.579-05:00Many birds are mammals.
Bigot. Many birds are mammals. <br /><br />Bigot. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2346753698011709882022-12-14T00:53:16.165-05:002022-12-14T00:53:16.165-05:00You’re a traitor to your class— the mammals.You’re a traitor to your class— the mammals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-980836007794010632022-12-14T00:04:18.485-05:002022-12-14T00:04:18.485-05:00The short answer is yes. Most of us read a best li...The short answer is yes. Most of us read a best list for fun. Maybe I don't think "Like a Rolling Stone" is the best rock and roll song ever written. Does that mean that I shouldn't tolerate music critics who claim otherwise? Who would care so much that they would be intolerant of someone's expressed opinion in a matter of taste? The only value that Bobby finds in the opinions of these NYT critics is to use them as a springboard from which to criticize those who don't place such value in these best lists as to formulate two days worth of diatribes against them.Unamusedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12797048949815076506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37973494270666593722022-12-13T22:29:40.124-05:002022-12-13T22:29:40.124-05:00“the red tribe's rubes would never tolerate li...“the red tribe's rubes would never tolerate lists of that type, the way we brainiacs do.”<br /><br />Even the film review section is a liberal conspiracy between the Times, its critics and subscribers to show contempt for the “Others”, according to Somerby.<br /><br />Is he a crackpot?<br />mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-13659435379693559062022-12-13T22:23:37.983-05:002022-12-13T22:23:37.983-05:00“Subscribers tend to play along, knowing that the ...“Subscribers tend to play along, knowing that the red tribe's rubes would never tolerate lists of that type, the way we brainiacs do.”<br /><br />Is it possible that Times subscribers are interested in the views that come out of “film studies degree programs”, without necessarily agreeing with them?mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4521048185058698012022-12-13T22:08:47.131-05:002022-12-13T22:08:47.131-05:00I always root on them too. I always root on them too. Ceceliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162272807640653299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64349548963932202942022-12-13T21:59:44.664-05:002022-12-13T21:59:44.664-05:00Or long and boring.Or long and boring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35224112222457582562022-12-13T21:58:49.280-05:002022-12-13T21:58:49.280-05:00Hitchcock is for the birds.Hitchcock is for the birds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37771817395465394912022-12-13T21:58:02.754-05:002022-12-13T21:58:02.754-05:00This is a training site for trolls.This is a training site for trolls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38015702502957045162022-12-13T21:56:52.994-05:002022-12-13T21:56:52.994-05:00Pronouns again.Pronouns again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79526870798641355602022-12-13T21:48:17.123-05:002022-12-13T21:48:17.123-05:00You get paid for trolling on this siteYou get paid for trolling on this siteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6881785828805407632022-12-13T19:16:58.427-05:002022-12-13T19:16:58.427-05:00Mao is a paid troll. Stop treating him like an act...Mao is a paid troll. Stop treating him like an actual person and let him do his job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37427128793424064802022-12-13T19:15:44.586-05:002022-12-13T19:15:44.586-05:00From Digby:
"Talking Points Memo rolled out ...From Digby:<br /><br />"Talking Points Memo rolled out a series of posts Monday chronicling hundreds of text messages involving Trump White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and 34 members of Congress. The texts “obtained from multiple sources” sent before, during, and after the Jan. 6 insurrection pull back the curtain on behind-the-scenes Republican efforts to overturn 2020 election results. They also reveal the lengths to which Trump’s lieutenants would go to subvert the will of the people, the law, and the U.S. Constitution to install Trump the loser as president.<br /><br />Maybe I missed something, but the TPM scoop is getting the Big Ignore from a lot of major news outlets. Not even to mention that they have not reviewed the texts themselves.<br /><br />So determined was the insurrection caucus that their efforts persisted even after the Jan. 6 ransacking of the Capitol by the Tump mob. Rep. Ralph Norman (R-SC) texted Meadows three days before Joe Biden’s inauguration pleading for Trump to call out the military to stop it (TPM)"<br /><br />And what is Somerby talking about? He's calling on people to listen to Tucker Carlson, ridiculing movies, and telling us that maybe Elon Musk has a point when he calls on Fauci to be prosecuted (while taking a swipe at trans people).<br /><br />Meanwhile there is real news that needs to be discussed, both by the media but also by Somerby, so that we beknighted readers of his blog will know about more than donkey movies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com